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What prompt you used, and which software?
Is LD's "Logan" a well data-stocked name already?
I can see the shirt and red hair.
Ren'Py Lustful Desires [v0.67.0] [Hyao]
Is LD's "Logan" a well data-stocked name already?
I can see the shirt and red hair.
From what I discovered, it seems to me the issue comes from the android version of the game. Since I played with the pc version and managed to edit my save. Gonna try to copy the save for my android version
Editting a save file to change Logan's hearts from one to two doesn't seem enough to trigger the Holiday event, anyone has a save file with his hearts?
Well, I just want to give my two cents to a discussion I saw a little back, about the art of the game. I have a degree in graphic design and I am also a NSFW artist, so I will try to support this opinion as best as I can, I start by saying that I find all of LD's art very good, every artist that Hyao chose maintains a level above average when it comes to NSFW art and I respect/admire them all. Now, why some people (myself included) find it annoying to see other artists outside of Zoro's work has a very simple explanation.
1.- Zoro was the first and main artist of LD for a long time, a large part of the game we still experience with Zoro's art, that has created an attachment to his style (you may like it more or less) but it is undeniable that Their style becomes a “house hallmark” for much of the adventure, this has repercussions in several ways, as communities of people who enjoy NSFW, we like to support and see our artists upload, consume their drawings and related things, Now that Zoro is “missing” from the project, it leaves us with a bitter feeling in our mouths, since in part, it feels like having cut off a part of LD's own personality.
2.- As I said at the beginning, I think that all the artists have done an incredible job, even thanks to the game I have discovered a new artist who goes straight to my favorites list, but in graphic design we have a term that must always be followed in any visual product, “the graphic line”, regardless of whether it is better or worse, you must always maintain the same visuals throughout a project, because when you mix them (even if they are better) that clashes in the minds of consumers and creates noise in the product, again, I think all the artists are good and some have managed to replicate the essence of Zoro very well, but they are not him, and this creates a clash in the game.
3.- Finally, the most important thing (I think) we need closure from Hyao, I love LD but I will judge it for what it is, a project in development for which I have paid several times, I think it is fair that as a consumer, its creator be more honest with us, give us a definitive idea of whether Zoro could one day return or they simply broke relations peacefully, the limbo we have been in has harmed LD, it was understandable that this was not talked about at the beginning given the Zoro's mental state, but 3 years have passed since that moment. As consumers, I consider it necessary for Hyao to make a statement about the situation. It is possible that if relations are broken, some will abandon the project. but I believe and have seen that the LD community is strong enough to survive that without problems and I think a proper closure would help both us and Hyao himself.
Although I would love to know that Zoro will return at some point, if the game decides to continue without him, that's fine, LD is a game with a lot to offer beyond its visuals and the community will support Hyao in any decision, LD is one of the best and more ambitious NSFW GAY projects and I am happy that it exists, I simply think that this is a thorn that we have been carrying for a long time.
Thank you for reading and I apologize if something was not understood, English is not my mother language so I used a translator for this little essay.
1.- Zoro was the first and main artist of LD for a long time, a large part of the game we still experience with Zoro's art, that has created an attachment to his style (you may like it more or less) but it is undeniable that Their style becomes a “house hallmark” for much of the adventure, this has repercussions in several ways, as communities of people who enjoy NSFW, we like to support and see our artists upload, consume their drawings and related things, Now that Zoro is “missing” from the project, it leaves us with a bitter feeling in our mouths, since in part, it feels like having cut off a part of LD's own personality.
2.- As I said at the beginning, I think that all the artists have done an incredible job, even thanks to the game I have discovered a new artist who goes straight to my favorites list, but in graphic design we have a term that must always be followed in any visual product, “the graphic line”, regardless of whether it is better or worse, you must always maintain the same visuals throughout a project, because when you mix them (even if they are better) that clashes in the minds of consumers and creates noise in the product, again, I think all the artists are good and some have managed to replicate the essence of Zoro very well, but they are not him, and this creates a clash in the game.
3.- Finally, the most important thing (I think) we need closure from Hyao, I love LD but I will judge it for what it is, a project in development for which I have paid several times, I think it is fair that as a consumer, its creator be more honest with us, give us a definitive idea of whether Zoro could one day return or they simply broke relations peacefully, the limbo we have been in has harmed LD, it was understandable that this was not talked about at the beginning given the Zoro's mental state, but 3 years have passed since that moment. As consumers, I consider it necessary for Hyao to make a statement about the situation. It is possible that if relations are broken, some will abandon the project. but I believe and have seen that the LD community is strong enough to survive that without problems and I think a proper closure would help both us and Hyao himself.
Although I would love to know that Zoro will return at some point, if the game decides to continue without him, that's fine, LD is a game with a lot to offer beyond its visuals and the community will support Hyao in any decision, LD is one of the best and more ambitious NSFW GAY projects and I am happy that it exists, I simply think that this is a thorn that we have been carrying for a long time.
Thank you for reading and I apologize if something was not understood, English is not my mother language so I used a translator for this little essay.
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I totally agree with you.
IMO Hyao's best option is to close LD, and start a new project with these new artists - but it's easier said than done.
It doesn't seem ZoroJ will return at all.
There must be some complications they are not willing to make a statement about.
And I don't think Hyao is afraid that supporter's will leave. As you mentioned, unlike here, his community is very supportive of Hyao, not LD.
To be clear, they are Not obligated to disclosure their real life, only the state of the project.
And I think it's courtesy to Not poke into others affairs - Knowing the reasons won't change anything, nor concern anyone except themselves.
TBH, LD already is and will never be the same again.
I wish Hyao is experimenting and gaining experiences for the next project.
(BTW, who's your new favourite artist you mentioned?)
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I think all of your points are very reasonable, and I don't really disagree with you. I can understand why a lot of players are attached to ZoroJ as the game's artist, his art makes up a large part of the game, and he had been with the project for a while. I get that a lot would be hesitant to embrace new main artists and want to see his return or some closure. The lack of finality also annoys me, to be honest, but I get the impression that something happened behind the scenes that Hyao/ZoroJ don't really want to talk about or announce, at least publicly, so I can respect that.
It's also not been that long since ZoroJ's left/took a sabbatical. I remember it happening a little bit after I started following the game, I think around Spring 2022 was the last time he contributed art to the game (the Witch or Khalgor art might have been the last ones?), so it's only been about one and a half/two years. He might actually still intend to come back at some point or the announcement that he was only taking a break might have been made just to soften the blow for the players, but either way the project still has to go on without him. The lack of a consistent style going forward isn't ideal, but, when it comes to art, this game is already miles better than a lot of other text-based erotica, imo.
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Personally I've found it rather tedious, I find myself skipping most of the text because the tiny writing and how much of it there is on 1 page, there hasn't been any scene I've found remotely erotic since Gunnar got booted or killed and so many of the fetishes it started with have become vanilla
You're right, I measured the times wrong, it's been like 2 years since Zoroj has been absent. I think the same as you, the project can continue without him if that were to be the case, just a closure to this situation would be good, I also hope that Zoroj recovers from any inconvenience he has had and we can see him again on some social network
I think Hyao should have a good rest too, that is, a period of 2 or 3 months without worrying about the game, Hyao needs a moment to not burn out with LD, work on something for a long time, no matter how much you like it, it gets tiring .
But I don't think abandoning LD would be a good idea, since although I support Hyao, she would give him a bad reputation as someone who doesn't finish his works (works for which good money has been paid).
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Oh I didn't mean "Abandon" LD, He didn't abandon LD when It's at its lowest, It doesn't make sense to abandon now things get better.
I meant "Push current plots, beeline to finish, don't insert anymore filler / stray away".
If the plot is too far away - like the zombie town, just abandon like the Lizard Bad End, he can continue in his next game.
BUT let's not forget, as much as we appreciate how "above Average" LD is for a Porn Game,
there are many things that are very Messy / Unpolished, only restart can fix them - Like the Crafting system, Combat system, Items / inventory, overall narratives / plots.
There are also many QoL improvements can be made only thru an overhaul.
As much as You guys don't "Mind" art-style inconsistency, it still damage the game as a whole.
Also as Zorrscha mentioned, the contents become stale due to LD is over-bloated.
Porn game players often settle for less as long as the porn is good.
But it doesn't mean devs can't strive to aim higher / we don't deserve better.
I agree that you should avoid putting so many things in, although I think that things like the combat or the crafting system are "good", what you should focus on is closing the stories as you say, the first part is a good example of that , it is very well made and works with the important characters of the town and the bandit camp, it would be good to finalize the plot lines, prioritize quality over quantity, but is it something that I think has already been done?, at least I know that the latest updates advance the story of Norchest and the orc camp a lot and that was just what was missing
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Ymmv, of course, but as someone primarily interested in Bara and top!Mc content the game has been great so far (though it does bother me that there is still a significant amount of romance/love paths that require bottom/sub!MC). From late 2023, off the top of my head I really liked the Halloween update, Barrel wrestling (I finally figured out how to trigger his scenes), and the Grushk scenes when it comes to erotic content. I can sort of see what you mean, though, since there hasn't been too much erotica in general now because of the big focus on the plot this year, while a lot of the guest writers seem to have essentially stopped contributing (literally none of the guest characters have a complete relation log right now because there just haven't been any new scenes with them since the UI overhaul).
ZoroJ doesn't seem to be active on social media, but he regularly posts art on Patreon and he seems to be doing well, which is good. My personal theory is that he just got really burned out from working on the game for so long and wanted to focus on something else for a while, but who knows.
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It could also just be a gesture from Hyao to ZoroJ "My door is always open to you", means nothing else.
I don't get why people're so fixated on other's personal life - let them sort themselves out, your knowledge on their situation doesn't help anyone, as online strangers.
ZoroJ could've totally doing better than what CaizaE implied. Not everyone is cut to handle public pressure, and Social Media is not for everyone. As an established artist, ZoroJ doesn't really need Social Media for marketing / exposure if he so choose. Or he could totally just lost interest in game development.
The "Closure" of the situation you guys wanted, doesn't really need to be there.
The best situation for Hyao is to form some sort of "Studio' or "Dev Team", Just like what He started when teaming with ZoroJ.
That's why I'm a big advocate for him to finish LD and start anew, with the new team, and experiences gained.
The current new contents outside of the main plot, could totally just be in a new game. And I saw they plan to insert MCs into CGs - it's a clash to the existing LD, but it's a none-issue for a new game.
Especially how strong Hyao's community and network is.
Totally agree. Hyao started a professional project with a wide scope and that requires more than one person in each department. Thankfully he's gotten around to hiring a sub-writer which means he can focus on pushing the edges of the content out further while the writer fills in the space that's created. The pace of content creation in the last few updates has been a testament to this increased capacity and bodes well for the future.
Personally, I think Hyao needs a side-project. Something composed of random crap that wouldn't fit into LD generated by him blowing off creative steam. He already has an itch.io account, might as well create half a dozen experimental games. I just hope that that he hands off the project entirely in case he gets completely derailed and abandons LD.
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Personally the story should of ended ages ago, it should of just been a Cthulhu final boss after making everybody go mad b4 Gunnar got removed, that was honestly the worst decision EVER made. (Don't get me started on them making Cthulhu a joke in the Christmas event)
Now it just feels like watching a filler arc in an anime you just doze off to, except it's never-ending.
Now it just feels like watching a filler arc in an anime you just doze off to, except it's never-ending.
The story needed a clear beginning, middle, and end laid out beforehand. Can tack on as many maybes as you want as long as you have an idea of what the core story should be.
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Exactly, the Orc story took what 6 months to come out after the first Cthulhu meet? if not longer and now we have a new villain unrelated to him when I thought he was gonna be the major antagonist
But the witch is related to him?
Correct me if im wrong but i remember him saying not to trust her back when he was first introduced and you were looking for some type of protection from him, and him saying they have this beef with eachother.
The witch using the orcs for her own means
While Nameless used the Lizard tribe which you interfered with.
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Yeah but it's not like there is a reason to side with the Witch (Not like she's a hot dude) unless it turns out Khalgor is locked behind her route, but doesn't seem like it.
There's just no substance, the story just has no direction anymore, every update is a continuation of a different part instead of concluding 1 (It's got to the point I don't actually know what the story is)