VN Ren'Py Abandoned Mad World [Release 4.1.0 WIP] [Smoke Mob Games]

[Kel2513]

Full disclosure: I played both routes with eva just to see if i would miss out on key content in one of the routes.

The rejection of Eva literally happens because she wants no romantic involvement with the MC at that point. Meaning the MC did want a romance path but couldn't with that choice coz she just wants sex mostly.
Trying to keep friendship intact while processing that is one thing while having to see her have sex with one of the MC's closest friend, so soon after the rejection/breakup, is another.
Besides, not everyone wants to see their ex-partner have sex with their best friends.
A simple option asking if we want to see that scene could have avoided this.

Also, saying that adding a skip to this scene would be akin to skipping the fight scenes is absurd. This is a superhero type of story where fight scenes actually explain how the super fights go down. That sex scene was a fluff piece compared to the events of the storyline. Because turning it into a line of text would remove nothing from the story while doing that to the fight scenes would carry a loss because we would miss out on the cool applications of magic/fighting styles. The reader would never know the details of how and why the fights were won or lost.

Anyway, thats my take on this skip/no skip debate.

 

[Smarmint]

I think skip scene options in an AVN are always a bad idea. The dev should go with his vision of his story. If the players don't like some scene, embrace the discomfort. No good story should be comfortable for the reader 100% of the time.

Fans asking for skip scene options seem just childish.

 

[underoath27]

Wow, I didn't know that Eva had sex with Leon or Chloe, hahaha! Well, I didn't reject her and when she was talking about Leon and Ivan when they were at the beach, I didn't care, but yea, I guess that even if I rejected her, I wouldn't like to see her having sex with another person, 'cause I think this kind of scene uncomfortable if it is someone I knew or it is my friend. Well, I'm hoping that MC finishes with all the babies. Apparently, in my playthrough, MC is dating Chloe, even though they didn't "started" dating. They had sex, Chloe asked if MC would take her out and he said yes.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Wow, I didn't know that Eva had sex with Leon or Chloe, hahaha! Well, I didn't reject her and when she was talking about Leon and Ivan when they were at the beach, I didn't care, but yea, I guess that even if I rejected her, I wouldn't like to see her having sex with another person, 'cause I think this kind of scene uncomfortable if it is someone I knew or it is my friend. Well, I'm hoping that MC finishes with all the babies. Apparently, in my playthrough, MC is dating Chloe, even though they didn't "started" dating. They had sex, Chloe asked if MC would take her out and he said yes.

If after the second time you had sex with Chloe, you can say you wanted something more or just fuck buddies. If you say you wanted something more, it will put you on a dating path with Chloe. Guessing you chose that option instead of fuck buddies.

Or I could be completely wrong, but I'm assuming that is what causes it.

 

[Hellspawn_Al Simmons]

One of the few times where I found most of the characters annoying/unlikable; also doesn't help that most of the chicks are average looking at best.

 

[Kel2513]

Wow, I didn't know that Eva had sex with Leon or Chloe, hahaha! Well, I didn't reject her and when she was talking about Leon and Ivan when they were at the beach, I didn't care, but yea, I guess that even if I rejected her, I wouldn't like to see her having sex with another person, 'cause I think this kind of scene uncomfortable if it is someone I knew or it is my friend. Well, I'm hoping that MC finishes with all the babies. Apparently, in my playthrough, MC is dating Chloe, even though they didn't "started" dating. They had sex, Chloe asked if MC would take her out and he said yes.

My first playthrough was the same as yours! But i wanted to see what the dev meant with their post about chloe and leon and so decided to roll back to an earlier save and check out the alternative content. Without a walkthrough I am never sure if I just missed something important.
I am still not sure if dating Chloe will backfire especially with Robbie (possibly romance) path starting up.

 

[underoath27]

If after the second time you had sex with Chloe, you can say you wanted something more or just fuck buddies. If you say you wanted something more, it will put you on a dating path with Chloe. Guessing you chose that option instead of fuck buddies.

Or I could be completely wrong, but I'm assuming that is what causes it.

Yea, I remember that I chose that my MC wanted something more, but I thought funny that they, after that, didn't talk about starting a relationship, you know? And now, it appeared that they are dating, so, I also said that I'd like to see how MC and Eva's relationship could grow, than there is Robbie, who I chose to kiss, hahaha. I think that MAYBE it won't have a problem because maybe MC will have a threesome with Chloe and Eva/Chloe and Robbie.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Hey, Capella, FYI I'm not sure if this is intentional, but this snippet of code is counterproductive:

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Maybe you decided not to have any adjustment happen, but because there are also some places where you just don't use a variable again (i.e., no stat adjustment), it seems like the above could be a mistake.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I think skip scene options in an AVN are always a bad idea. The dev should go with his vision of his story. If the players don't like some scene, embrace the discomfort. No good story should be comfortable for the reader 100% of the time.

Fans asking for skip scene options seem just childish.

I respectfully disagree I don't think there's anything childish about people voicing their opinion on

how is a certain part of a story make them feel especially since we can get attached to the story and characters

take me for example like I said before if I'm with a girl I don't want her to be with anyone else but me

am I wrong for having that opinion or feeling that way?

 

[Capella]

Full disclosure: I played both routes with eva just to see if i would miss out on key content in one of the routes.

The rejection of Eva literally happens because she wants no romantic involvement with the MC at that point. Meaning the MC did want a romance path but couldn't with that choice coz she just wants sex mostly.
Trying to keep friendship intact while processing that is one thing while having to see her have sex with one of the MC's closest friend, so soon after the rejection/breakup, is another.
Besides, not everyone wants to see their ex-partner have sex with their best friends.
A simple option asking if we want to see that scene could have avoided this.

Also, saying that adding a skip to this scene would be akin to skipping the fight scenes is absurd. This is a superhero type of story where fight scenes actually explain how the super fights go down. That sex scene was a fluff piece compared to the events of the storyline. Because turning it into a line of text would remove nothing from the story while doing that to the fight scenes would carry a loss because we would miss out on the cool applications of magic/fighting styles. The reader would never know the details of how and why the fights were won or lost.

Anyway, thats my take on this skip/no skip debate.

Huh...that scene seems like it's too soon because it actually is. I looked at the code again and saw that I didn't factor in people that would go through Eva's path without going through the strip club scene. I'll fix that.

 

[Capella]

Hey, Capella, FYI I'm not sure if this is intentional, but this snippet of code is counterproductive:

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Maybe you decided not to have any adjustment happen, but because there are also some places where you don't use a variable again (i.e., no stat adjustment), it seems like the above could be a mistake.

Oh, it is. That was found by one of the guys on our Discord, too. Thanks for bringing this forward, nevertheless. It's on the fix list.

 

[underoath27]

My first playthrough was the same as yours! But i wanted to see what the dev meant with their post about chloe and leon and so decided to roll back to an earlier save and check out the alternative content. Without a walkthrough I am never sure if I just missed something important.
I am still not sure if dating Chloe will backfire especially with Robbie (possibly romance) path starting up.

I guess that dating Chloe won't backfire with Robbie, maybe they will start a relationship together, cause they already dated and Chloe likes Robbie. And about Leon and Eva, I saw the image someone posted here, haha. As I said, even if I rejected her or another LI, I wouldn't like to see they having SEX, I'm ok if they start dating another dude, hell, I like Leon, he's a good guy, but yea, I'm not fan of seeing my friends having sex, hahaha.

 

[DarkDaemonX]

I guess that dating Chloe won't backfire with Robbie, maybe they will start a relationship together, cause they already dated and Chloe likes Robbie. And about Leon and Eva, I saw the image someone posted here, haha. As I said, even if I rejected her or another LI, I wouldn't like to see they having SEX, I'm ok if they start dating another dude, hell, I like Leon, he's a good guy, but yea, I'm not fan of seeing my friends having sex, hahaha.

Same, that was a very weird decision the dev made, why show us that, showing us them having sex was way too random.

 

[underoath27]

Same, that was a very weird decision the dev made, why show us that, showing us them having sex was way too random.

I didn't see the scene, because I didn't reject Eva, I saw a image that someone posted here, but yea, weird. Like someone said, if it gives you a option to see or not, it's ok, but from what I read it was "forced".

 

[Hildegardt]

I respectfully disagree I don't think there's anything childish about people voicing their opinion on

how is a certain part of a story make them feel especially since we can get attached to the story and characters

take me for example like I said before if I'm with a girl I don't want her to be with anyone else but me

am I wrong for having that opinion or feeling that way?

The question wasn't about being right or wrong, but about being childish, so you have to consider that these aren't real girls, but fictional characters in a porn game you're getting possessive over.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

The question wasn't about being right or wrong, but about being childish, so you have to consider that these aren't real girls, but fictional characters in a porn game you're getting possessive over.

okay you make a good point they're not real but that doesn't stop people from getting attached to

the story or their favorite characters even though it makes no sense it happens

you don't have to agree or feel the same way about the characters but try not to judge people for that

take me for example a good story can actually bring me to tears

and I've actually grown to love characters in other games are you going to condemn me for that as well

I think the fact that we are getting so emotionally attached to these characters lets us know it's a great story

 

[DarkDaemonX]

I didn't see the scene, because I didn't reject Eva, I saw a image that someone posted here, but yea, weird. Like someone said, if it gives you a option to see or not, it's ok, but from what I read it was "forced".

I only saw them because I tried out different choice combinations after finishing my main playthrough, didn't know about those scenes beforehand.

It was forced, Eva with Leon if you rejected Eva everywhere, and Eva with Chloe if you rejected Eva everywhere, and specifically decide to be fuck buddies with Chloe.

I'm not against rejected LIs getting with someone else, but I don't want to see them going at it, that was completely unnecessary, the only times a POV shift is acceptable is if it contains information important for the plot, those scenes were definitely not important to the plot.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

I only saw them because I tried out different choice combinations after finishing my main playthrough, didn't know about those scenes beforehand.

It was forced, Eva with Leon if you rejected Eva everywhere, and Eva with Chloe if you rejected Eva everywhere, and specifically decide to be fuck buddies with Chloe.

I'm not against rejected LIs getting with someone else, but I don't want to see them going at it, that was completely unnecessary, the only times a POV shift is acceptable is if it contains information important for the plot, those scenes were definitely not important to the plot.

It maybe important though. After all, Leon practically confessed his crush on Robbie. It may become important plot point for MC/Leon/Robbie relation and a Solomon&Leon collaboration for MC's fall would be hell of a plot twist. Also, the story goes very Chloe related so anything about her maybe important. Like Eva may or may not have some magic going on and with Chloe&Eva relation goes on, it may become important plot point.

Anyways, all I am trying to say people shouldn't be too judgemental about an unfinished story but I do agree putting a sex scene for the sake of it is not good storytelling. I think it should add something to the story.

 

[underoath27]

It maybe important though. After all, Leon practically confessed his crush on Robbie. It may become important plot point for MC/Leon/Robbie relation and a Solomon&Leon collaboration for MC's fall would be hell of a plot twist. Also, the story goes very Chloe related so anything about her maybe important. Like Eva may or may not have some magic going on and with Chloe&Eva relation goes on, it may become important plot point.

Anyways, all I am trying to say people shouldn't be too judgemental about an unfinished story but I do agree putting a sex scene for the sake of it is not good storytelling. I think it should add something to the story.

Well, yea, maybe... but I guess dev could gives an option to see or not. As I said, if Eva or another LI are rejected by MC, they deserve to find love, but I don't think that you (MC) seeing them having sex with other people will be that important. Again, if you enjoy this kind of thing (see people you know having sex) ok, not a problem at all, but some people don't like or don't want to see things like that.
Can you tell me about Leon confessing about Robbie? It was when Chloe asked him if he wqs dating? For a moment, I thought that maybe he likes Chloe.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Can you tell me about Leon confessing about Robbie?

After sex with Eva, they talk about leon's crush. He did not say the name but I think it was very clear he was talking about Robbie.

As for the option thing, I am not that supportive about it. If devs could find a clever way to skip some stuff without cutting story it maybe okay but it usually goes 2 ways. Either offscreen stuff with huge chunk of content cut or skipable content does not worth a dime for plot and either way is distruptive for storylines. Like I said if there will be a clever way for doing it without killing the story, distrupting story flow, adding meaningless scenes for the sake of it etc. I am okay with skipable content, other than that it's no good. Solution for the players, either don't play the games has tags that you cannot stomach or try to stomach some of the content for the game. Do not make demands on story just for your own sake. As a side note for this, I think these critics have very negative effects on devs and partly blamed for dev burnouts because whether or not people accepts it these games are artistic works and such demands on artists never be a good thing.

Although, this is my general opinion about the topic. Specifically talking about the Eva&Chloe or Eva&Leon scenes if they do not add anything for further plot it was unnecassary and should not be in game at all but we cannot know that for sure right now as for game has not finished yet, so cutting dev a slack and wait for them to wrap things up is the right thing to do I believe.