RPGM Complete Magical Girl Luna's Misfortunes[1.09][namaste koboo]

[PurpleDeep]

Curious is anyone can help with another Japanese term that crops up in late game.

"カトプトロン" (katoputoron) - It's the spell Noche uses when she transforms into a different form. Spell is based on using target's memories.

I personally am drawing a blank on what it could be.

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, a form of divination using mirrors. The term comes from a greek word. I also found

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where they have a term with a similar name (translated from japanese). I would just use "Catoptromancy" or "Mirror Illusion".

I wonder if a language model like ChatGPT could be more helpful than a search engine for things like this. I don't have an account yet to test it.

 

[12asdasdasd34]

A search suggests it might be related to

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, a form of divination using mirrors. The term comes from a greek word. I also found

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where they have a term with a similar name. I would just use "Catoptromancy" or "Mirror Illusion".

I wonder if a language model like ChatGPT could be more helpful than a search engine for things like this. I don't have an account yet to test it.

That does seem to track, so I'll go with Catoptromancy.

I did try the public version of ChatGPT and it didn't give any help in this instance. Although it was reasonably helpful when trying to figure out Painting monsters based on certain artists. There is a slight chance GPT-4 might've gotten it, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Bondage Queen]

Just as a head's up nothing new was actually shared with the paid subscribers, it was just scrapped art and beta art for chapter 5.
However the paid supporters should be getting a beta build for chapter 6 next month in June!

Idea's for the development of the second game is already in the works as well according to what's been posted, though it'll likely take another 2 years before it gets released to the public

Good, I don't want to be spoiled on anything! Oh nice, already a beta build soon.

 

[Bondage Queen]

That does seem to track, so I'll go with Catoptromancy.

I did try the public version of ChatGPT and it didn't give any help in this instance. Although it was reasonably helpful when trying to figure out Painting monsters based on certain artists. There is a slight chance GPT-4 might've gotten it, but I wouldn't count on it.

Gpt-4 is worth a shot, it's quite a bit smarter than 3.5.

 

[Deleted member 1447300]

One of the things that I love about them is that they're fans of this genre themselves. Their twitter has become my go to resource for similar content because they'll share/update with similar games from time to time as well. Probably why the game itself is so good lol.

 

[12asdasdasd34]

Gpt-4 is worth a shot, it's quite a bit smarter than 3.5.

I don't doubt it. But I ain't paying a subscription for something I do as hobby

 

[Bondage Queen]

One of the things that I love about them is that they're fans of this genre themselves. Their twitter has become my go to resource for similar content because they'll share/update with similar games from time to time as well. Probably why the game itself is so good lol.

I know, right? They've even said in their Ci-En posts multiple times that the main reason they made Luna is to grow the market for this type of game. By the way, the game right now that looks like it has the most promise in this genre is Alpis Agent, imo.

 

[xellos616]

Bondage Queen
Alpis Agent Give me a link.

The market for such games is still in the development stage.
Yes, the Luna is a good game, but in any case, all such games at the moment are technically rubbish, no matter how much you like them.
+ The market is currently in a stage of uncertainty: RPG maker unite has been released, to which everyone wanted to switch, but it lags.
Also, Unity 2022 lts and 2023 have not yet been released.
All engines have been very much updated this year and developers need to relearn.
The genre of porn games generally develops poorly, because of stupid moral standards. And everything that comes out (except for literally 10-20 games) is usually designed for 5 minute sessions for a wand (well, you understand which one).
Those who play porn games usually have weak computer hardware, so making powerful games makes little sense.
New technologies related to artificial intelligence and translation from other languages, in fact, just came out and do not work well and require powerful hardware from developers (I'm talking about drawing chat GP pictures.
It is now fashionable to make games that would go to both a computer and a smartphone, and this still serves the process, but without this there will be no consumer (I am for cross-platform, although I play on a PC)

From a technical point of view, according to my forecasts, the situation will improve in 2-3 years, we will get the first fruits, and we will have to wait another 5 years for the good games.

I looked through the entire list of expected games for the site (700+ games) and something good is expected only in the next 1-2 months, and then there is nothing, except for 2-3 games.
In general, it takes 5-7 years to make a good game, and this is provided that the software and hardware will stand still, which is impossible in the modern world. The only exceptions are games that have come out and are constantly updated, such as MMORPGs.
We need MMO sex games))).

 

[Punyo]

That does seem to track, so I'll go with Catoptromancy.

I did try the public version of ChatGPT and it didn't give any help in this instance. Although it was reasonably helpful when trying to figure out Painting monsters based on certain artists. There is a slight chance GPT-4 might've gotten it, but I wouldn't count on it.

Funny but apparently even some particles in quantum physics are called Katoptrons:

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(Ctrl + F for Katoprons)
It concerns Mirror matter which fills in the Doppelganger effect nicely... but could be play on both from the reading mind effect too.
Edit: Wouldnt Mirromancy be better idea? It fits both but doubt many people know what Katoptron or Catoptromancy is...

A search suggests it might be related to

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, a form of divination using mirrors. The term comes from a greek word. I also found

You must be registered to see the links

where they have a term with a similar name (translated from japanese). I would just use "Catoptromancy" or "Mirror Illusion".

I wonder if a language model like ChatGPT could be more helpful than a search engine for things like this. I don't have an account yet to test it.

Honestly, not really. I worked with AIs a bit and tried them out too. They arent dumb but they have... a lot of problems in this particular area.
Simply put, ChatGPT might be good for ideas, but not a trustworthy source. It can do some research semi decently... but problems is that its just as likely to BS its way through a conversation. Reason is simple, its Chatting AI, so its de facto prime directive is to keep up the conversation at all costs, even if it has to lie.

Alternatively, it also gets really mislead by misinformation. You contradict it in any way, it will back away and agree with you, turning into a yes man. Even if you contradicted it with a bullshit.

And finally, it gets mislead with large data samples. Friend tried it out on a Discord server, he asked for House of Pandemonium - Unity Edition, if it can get any info about it. Its a niche TF game. The AI was mislead by the much larger PSX games, Pandemonium! 1 and 2
Then we suggested to the AI, that we dont want that game... and it started spouting Alternate History crap like, its 2023 Remake of the Pandemonium! games made by Toys for Bob, or that its was made by Tom Larry in 2020

Soooo, if you are out of ideas, its good. But its not super trustworthy research tool.

 

[Deleted member 1447300]

Bondage Queen
Alpis Agent Give me a link.

The market for such games is still in the development stage.
Yes, the Luna is a good game, but in any case, all such games at the moment are technically rubbish, no matter how much you like them.
+ The market is currently in a stage of uncertainty: RPG maker unite has been released, to which everyone wanted to switch, but it lags.
Also, Unity 2022 lts and 2023 have not yet been released.
All engines have been very much updated this year and developers need to relearn.
The genre of porn games generally develops poorly, because of stupid moral standards. And everything that comes out (except for literally 10-20 games) is usually designed for 5 minute sessions for a wand (well, you understand which one).
Those who play porn games usually have weak computer hardware, so making powerful games makes little sense.
New technologies related to artificial intelligence and translation from other languages, in fact, just came out and do not work well and require powerful hardware from developers (I'm talking about drawing chat GP pictures.
It is now fashionable to make games that would go to both a computer and a smartphone, and this still serves the process, but without this there will be no consumer (I am for cross-platform, although I play on a PC)

From a technical point of view, according to my forecasts, the situation will improve in 2-3 years, we will get the first fruits, and we will have to wait another 5 years for the good games.

I looked through the entire list of expected games for the site (700+ games) and something good is expected only in the next 1-2 months, and then there is nothing, except for 2-3 games.
In general, it takes 5-7 years to make a good game, and this is provided that the software and hardware will stand still, which is impossible in the modern world. The only exceptions are games that have come out and are constantly updated, such as MMORPGs.
We need MMO sex games))).

I get ur expectations, and support them. But with porn games there's also nothing really wrong with having slightly low expectations - but also getting surprised by a hidden gem once in a while.

 

[12asdasdasd34]

Wouldnt Mirromancy be better idea? It fits both but doubt many people know what Katoptron or Catoptromancy is...

I think it's fine as is. It's a term for a magic school and "-mancy" at the end should make it obvious enough, and if you happen to read the bestiary entry it will say that the magic's effect is affected by target's memories.

 

[Beggarman]

Bondage Queen
Alpis Agent Give me a link.

The market for such games is still in the development stage.
Yes, the Luna is a good game, but in any case, all such games at the moment are technically rubbish, no matter how much you like them.
+ The market is currently in a stage of uncertainty: RPG maker unite has been released, to which everyone wanted to switch, but it lags.
Also, Unity 2022 lts and 2023 have not yet been released.
All engines have been very much updated this year and developers need to relearn.
The genre of porn games generally develops poorly, because of stupid moral standards. And everything that comes out (except for literally 10-20 games) is usually designed for 5 minute sessions for a wand (well, you understand which one).
Those who play porn games usually have weak computer hardware, so making powerful games makes little sense.
New technologies related to artificial intelligence and translation from other languages, in fact, just came out and do not work well and require powerful hardware from developers (I'm talking about drawing chat GP pictures.
It is now fashionable to make games that would go to both a computer and a smartphone, and this still serves the process, but without this there will be no consumer (I am for cross-platform, although I play on a PC)

From a technical point of view, according to my forecasts, the situation will improve in 2-3 years, we will get the first fruits, and we will have to wait another 5 years for the good games.

I looked through the entire list of expected games for the site (700+ games) and something good is expected only in the next 1-2 months, and then there is nothing, except for 2-3 games.
In general, it takes 5-7 years to make a good game, and this is provided that the software and hardware will stand still, which is impossible in the modern world. The only exceptions are games that have come out and are constantly updated, such as MMORPGs.
We need MMO sex games))).

To be blunt, I think the biggest issue with this genre isn't technical at all, it's purely game design - it's actually kinda tough making a game about being the "victim" of some bondage that's actually fun to play. The genre faces the Dark Souls problem of having to be tough but beatable, while also having to make losing fun as well. All the tools have been there for a decade or more (give-or-take a few depending on exact genre) but I don't think we've had much time with a genre fan actually making something. Not to mention that anything commercial is probably going to have some elements sanded off to increase mass appeal. That said, Luna may well be at the peak of what can be done in RPGM. I hope there's room for improvement but it's going to be tough.

(also a link to Alpis Agent would also be nice please - did a bit of googling but didn't turn anything up)

 

[nana4]

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Though from this one image above, it doesn't look like Luna or friends will be aged up much, if at all. Tiny bit disappointing, but still fine.

I would personally take this picture only as a commemoration art and not really as a sneak peek of what the characters will look like in the sequel, nor even as a hint as to whether all 3 girls will even appear in it.

 

[guitarhero47]

To be blunt, I think the biggest issue with this genre isn't technical at all, it's purely game design - it's actually kinda tough making a game about being the "victim" of some bondage that's actually fun to play. The genre faces the Dark Souls problem of having to be tough but beatable, while also having to make losing fun as well. All the tools have been there for a decade or more (give-or-take a few depending on exact genre) but I don't think we've had much time with a genre fan actually making something. Not to mention that anything commercial is probably going to have some elements sanded off to increase mass appeal. That said, Luna may well be at the peak of what can be done in RPGM. I hope there's room for improvement but it's going to be tough.

(also a link to Alpis Agent would also be nice please - did a bit of googling but didn't turn anything up)

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this one, may be

 

[Bondage Queen]

Ci-En page for Elpis Aegis:

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To be blunt, I think the biggest issue with this genre isn't technical at all, it's purely game design - it's actually kinda tough making a game about being the "victim" of some bondage that's actually fun to play. The genre faces the Dark Souls problem of having to be tough but beatable, while also having to make losing fun as well. All the tools have been there for a decade or more (give-or-take a few depending on exact genre) but I don't think we've had much time with a genre fan actually making something. Not to mention that anything commercial is probably going to have some elements sanded off to increase mass appeal. That said, Luna may well be at the peak of what can be done in RPGM. I hope there's room for improvement but it's going to be tough.

(also a link to Alpis Agent would also be nice please - did a bit of googling but didn't turn anything up)

I agree it is difficult to design a game like this. The vast majority of these types of games (of which there are not that many overall) have quite poor design, in my opinion. The problem is that you want to become weaker/more effete as you are bound/get bad statuses/etc, in order for the erotic aspect to really land. But if you do this in a lazy way, you wind up with bad gameplay systems where you lose all your options and get locked into a tedious gameplay loop.

Despite being probably the best, even Luna has similar issues as most games in the genre - I think there is a TON of room for these games to improve. I won't get into how I would personally go about designing a game like this, but probably the biggest overall issue: A lot of these games treat being bound as a small aspect of the overall game rather than as a core system. As a result, it never feels fleshed out, and often as no more than a 'timeout' period in which you're just waiting to get back to the actual core gameplay. Just because I'm tied up doesn't mean I shouldn't have options.

 

[guitarhero47]

Guys, can you advice some games like this one?

 

[12asdasdasd34]

Quarta Knight Emerald - it recently got a (bad) official translation and there's also a (better but still kinda rough) unofficial translation being worked on on this site. You should find it by typing it into search bar.

 

[guitarhero47]

Quarta Knight Emerald - it recently got a (bad) official translation and there's also a (buttter but still kinda rough) unofficial translation being worked on on this site. You should find it by typing it into search bar.

have tried this one yesterday, in some reason it's freezes when i'm in battle, playing with freezes like this is impossible

 

[12asdasdasd34]

have tried this one yesterday, in some reason it's freezes when i'm in battle, playing with freezes like this is impossible

does it happen for both versions? I believe unofficial one added a a fix to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's even more slowdown issues.

 

[guitarhero47]

does it happen for both versions? I believe unofficial one added a a fix to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's even more slowdown issues.

yep