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Hey Guys, I have a question. I have unlocked "Impossible to choose" option, hovewer during scene with Veronica alarm is ringing and the "dream" is ending in the middle. Do You know what I can do about it?
To complete the final ending Ashley's jealousy and Claire's suspicion need to be at 5 so do Saturday morning yoga and alternate between Claire and Veronica
 
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Anyone else find it ironic that someone playing an incest game calls lesbian sex "degenerate stuff"?

Dude...this site is like a buffet. Take what you like, don't take what you don't like. Don't put down what other people like.

Check out the site rules here: https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2020-02-08.5589/ , especialy Rule #1.

At this point, who's offended by "degenerate?" We're all deviants here, brother, no put-down intended.
I suppose "corrupt" might be a better fit, I like pure, vanilla and wholesome stuff, incest is just a fantasy expression of that.

I'm trying, but it snuck up on me and not just killed my game but ruined most of my morning.
 
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To be fair though, the respective tags are missing. "Lesbian" should probably be added, not sure about NTR - people have been fighting over its definition for ages on these forums, for me according to the official tag description thread this doesn't fit since clearly none of the encounters are intended to cause jealousy, but others may disagree.

Also a hint to many aspiring developers trying to introduce as many fetishes as possible: probably not the best idea if you're going for a wide appeal, some tags will make people shy away from the specific game, even though somebody always suggests "add XY". Sure, there is somebody out there looking for furry femdom diaper incest, who's having a bad time if people follow my idea, but the furries who don't like incest, the incesters who don't like diapers - they're out.

Having said that: dude, you realize that 99% on here is degenerate stuff, mostly way beyond homosexuality? You seem to have a specific problem with this which may need help - outside of porn games in real life.
I don't mind homosexuality, my issue is fidelity. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are equal in my eyes, and therefore there is no difference between my girl getting fingered by her bff or rammed by my bud, it's both cheating.
Perhaps I sound rude, but here was my girl being cute and calling me master and stuff, and then I'm forced to watch her get banged by a cop while my character comments on how "hot" it is.
I'm not offended by much, but NTR/cuckolding just gets to me, especially when I sunk a few hours into a character already. You do you, I not one to judge, clearly.

I assume the answer is no, this isn't avoidable?
 

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After two or three years since that scene was introduced somebody got idea this game contains NTR... In the scene which leads to threesome? Well, I don't know, it didn't struck me as NTR, nor thousands of other players... Neither the developer who is, let's put it mildly, not a fan of NTR or sharing...
Ok, if you consider this cuckolding ok. But most of people don't. Yet, nobody is forcing you to play this game. Mkay?
 

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I don't mind homosexuality, my issue is fidelity. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are equal in my eyes, and therefore there is no difference between my girl getting fingered by her bff or rammed by my bud, it's both cheating.
Perhaps I sound rude, but here was my girl being cute and calling me master and stuff, and then I'm forced to watch her get banged by a cop while my character comments on how "hot" it is.
I'm not offended by much, but NTR/cuckolding just gets to me, especially when I sunk a few hours into a character already. You do you, I not one to judge, clearly.

I assume the answer is no, this isn't avoidable?
Well, for one, there is no NTR in the game, that I can assure you. We could argue/debate on the subject until the cows come home, but that's a subject I don't care to engage in. At any rate, if you want to get to the bonus ending of the game, everything needs to be completed. That includes the lesbian scenes that you don't agree with (and there's a bit of that throughout the game, TBH).
 
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But not lesbian bestiality games, because that would be degenerate?
If you're on this site, you're deviant. We all are. Degenerate clearly wasn't the right word, considering how many got offended, maybe dirty or corrupt? Is there a word to describe that I don't like stuff that entices because of the taboo?
My apologies for any offense inflicted, none was intended.

I don't fap to gay porn either, just like most people. I just don't get turned on by two girls going at it.
My issue is the NTR/cuckolding, I don't think the genders involved matter, cheating is cheating.
You can shame me for my vanilla taste and sensitive libido, but don't insinuate that I'm homophobic. If you got that from my post it's on you.
 

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If you're on this site, you're deviant. We all are. Degenerate clearly wasn't the right word, considering how many got offended, maybe dirty or corrupt? Is there a word to describe that I don't like stuff that entices because of the taboo?
My apologies for any offense inflicted, none was intended.

I don't fap to gay porn either, just like most people. I just don't get turned on by two girls going at it.
My issue is the NTR/cuckolding, I don't think the genders involved matter, cheating is cheating.
You can shame me for my vanilla taste and sensitive libido, but don't insinuate that I'm homophobic. If you got that from my post it's on you.
Well, thing is, the lesbian scenes are always done with the MC being present. So there's no "cheating" there since it's consensual.
 

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I don't fap to gay porn either, just like most people. I just don't get turned on by two girls going at it.
My issue is the NTR/cuckolding, I don't think the genders involved matter, cheating is cheating.
Well most of guys fap to lesbian porn, and don't consider it NTR... What to say, straight men have double standards, who would suspect it? :D
 
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After two or three years since that scene was introduced somebody got idea this game contains NTR... In the scene which leads to threesome? Well, I don't know, it didn't struck me as NTR, nor thousands of other players... Neither the developer who is, let's put it mildly, not a fan of NTR or sharing...
Ok, if you consider this cuckolding ok. But most of people don't. Yet, nobody is forcing you to play this game. Mkay?
Someone else finger banged my girl, and I couldn't do anything to stop it. Pretty much NTR, if only by technicality. It also came suddenly and with little warning.
I get most dudes don't take lesbianism seriously/find it hot, but if the shoe fits...

I asked if there was an out in the game or more of this kink ahead, not demanded for the kink to be removed. Considering the response, I'm left assume there is not and I will go on my merry way.
 
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Well, thing is, the lesbian scenes are always done with the MC being present. So there's no "cheating" there since it's consensual.
Veronica didn't check with the MC if he would be into it before committing the act. Would you be okay with your girlfriend banging a dude in front of you?
Also, the MC may have consented, but I didn't and wouldn't have. His consent just made it worse for me as the player.
I'm sure a lot of us like to pretend the MC is ourselves or the NTR/Cuckolding genres wouldn't offend voyeurs.
 
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I asked if there was an out in the game or more of this kink ahead, not demanded for the kink to be removed. Considering the response, I'm left assume there is not and I will go on my merry way.
There's at least 4 characters where lady-on-lady action and thus action not involving the MC (directly, he is always present and gets to join in) will unavoidably happen, including the respective endings. (Sophia includes Ashley; Amy and Debbie include Veronica; Forgettable name shrink neighbor includes landlady)
 
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There's at least 4 characters where lady-on-lady action and thus action not involving the MC (directly, he is always present and gets to join in) will unavoidably happen, including the respective endings. (Sophia includes Ashley; Amy and Debbie include Veronica; Forgettable name shrink neighbor includes landlady)
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. :)
I have no complaints about the game apart from it being a little grindy, it was well-crafted and expansive.
Not my thing, kink-wise, but there are other games out there.
 
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If you're on this site, you're deviant. We all are. Degenerate clearly wasn't the right word, considering how many got offended, maybe dirty or corrupt? Is there a word to describe that I don't like stuff that entices because of the taboo?
My apologies for any offense inflicted, none was intended.

I don't fap to gay porn either, just like most people. I just don't get turned on by two girls going at it.
My issue is the NTR/cuckolding, I don't think the genders involved matter, cheating is cheating.
You can shame me for my vanilla taste and sensitive libido, but don't insinuate that I'm homophobic. If you got that from my post it's on you.
"I don't fap to gay porn either, just like most people"? :WaitWhat:

"lesbian" was the #3 search term on PornHub in 2019. Source: . I think most people do "fap to gay porn" (when you include "two girls going at it" in "gay porn"). Tip - don't say "gay porn" when you mean 2 girls. "Gay porn" is almost exclusively used for male, not female, homosexual porn.

The way you wrote your phrase sounded, at least to me, like "you fuckers are sick for liking 2 girls doing it."

Cheating is cheating, true, but it's not cheating in this case. It's with the full knowledge and approval of the MC. You might not like it, and that's fine - we don't choose our triggers - but please don't conflate sharing with NTR. Cucking and NTR both involve humiliation (direct or implied), with consent and without consent respectively. This does not.
 
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Cheating is cheating, true, but it's not cheating in this case. It's with the full knowledge and approval of the MC. You might not like it, and that's fine - we don't choose our triggers - but please don't conflate sharing with NTR. Cucking and NTR both involve humiliation (direct or implied), with consent and without consent respectively. This does not.
Well, I am trying hard to think about a harem game presented there which doesn't have lesbian sex in some form, either already in game or planned for near future...
I might be half joking when I mentioned double standards, but I don't think most of straight players consider lesbian sex between two MC's love interest even as sharing...
I understand somebody might object disagree... but that somebody will have a lot of job to find a game for his liking.

Side note, I don't think many NTR and sharing fans will consider harem girls lesbian ecapades as sharing or NTR...
 

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Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. :)
I have no complaints about the game apart from it being a little grindy, it was well-crafted and expansive.
Not my thing, kink-wise, but there are other games out there.
You're welcome.

Small annotation though: there is a difference between "not my kink" (see the "minus tags" in my signature) which basically means "I don't go for it but I can tolerate it" - this game has quite a few things going on which don't press my buttons, but also don't blockade them - and "this turns me off". You're probably in the latter camp.

And up to a point I am guilty of similar "kink problems" myself. I don't like sharing - but MC+2 girls I just don't see as sharing but as MC having double the fun, while MC+guy+girl is a bad start for me. So yeah, there we go, to each their own kinkterpretation.
 
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"I don't fap to gay porn either, just like most people"? :WaitWhat:

"lesbian" was the #3 search term on PornHub in 2019. Source: . I think most people do "fap to gay porn" (when you include "two girls going at it" in "gay porn"). Tip - don't say "gay porn" when you mean 2 girls. "Gay porn" is almost exclusively used for male, not female, homosexual porn.

The way you wrote your phrase sounded, at least to me, like "you fuckers are sick for liking 2 girls doing it."

Cheating is cheating, true, but it's not cheating in this case. It's with the full knowledge and approval of the MC. You might not like it, and that's fine - we don't choose our triggers - but please don't conflate sharing with NTR. Cucking and NTR both involve humiliation (direct or implied), with consent and without consent respectively. This does not.
I meant male homosexual porn because I am fully aware of how popular lesbian porn is. It was meant to demonstrate that both genres turn me off equally because I can't relate to either. Most of the people on this site consider a dude banging their LI a turn off but not when it's a girl.

That's on you. I don't like sluts, sharing, public sex and all the other stuff that's all about breaking taboos. The stuff that's commonly found to be hot because it's degenerate/taboo, a lot of people like that and that's fine, I find it at best uninteresting and at worst repulsive depending on the kink. I might have been slightly unclear with "degenerate", but you made the connection to lesbianism, not me.

The MC wasn't involved, his consent wasn't asked for. Veronica told him to expect a surprise, and left him to watch her engage in a sexual act with a stranger without informing him that that was going to happen. Absolutely cheating and NTR as far as she was aware, she just assumed that it would be fine.
I identify as the MC, as I'm sure most people do. I'm not getting my jollies off by watching someone else live out my own fantasies, I do it by imagining that it's me living out the fantasy.
So while the MC ended up fine with it, my consent was not asked for nor given, it was forced upon me. Do you get where I'm coming from?
 

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I meant male homosexual porn because I am fully aware of how popular lesbian porn is. It was meant to demonstrate that both genres turn me off equally because I can't relate to either. Most of the people on this site consider a dude banging their LI a turn off but not when it's a girl.

That's on you. I don't like sluts, sharing, public sex and all the other stuff that's all about breaking taboos. The stuff that's commonly found to be hot because it's degenerate/taboo, a lot of people like that and that's fine, I find it at best uninteresting and at worst repulsive depending on the kink. I might have been slightly unclear with "degenerate", but you made the connection to lesbianism, not me.

The MC wasn't involved, his consent wasn't asked for. Veronica told him to expect a surprise, and left him to watch her engage in a sexual act with a stranger without informing him that that was going to happen. Absolutely cheating and NTR as far as she was aware, she just assumed that it would be fine.
I identify as the MC, as I'm sure most people do. I'm not getting my jollies off by watching someone else live out my own fantasies, I do it by imagining that it's me living out the fantasy.
So while the MC ended up fine with it, my consent was not asked for nor given, it was forced upon me. Do you get where I'm coming from?
I understand where you are coming from, but to be perfectly honest with you, there's a hell of a lot of games on this site that are not going to fit your liking.
You're the very first person to come into this thread with this perspective on NTR. I'm not knocking you but this is a whole new perspective that I personally have never seen before.
Most males if their girl was in a lesbian relationship (and I am talking about a game here and not reality) and they could join in would jump at the chance for a threesome, you on the other hand wouldn't as you classify it as cheating, it is!
But this is a game, not real life
You have to deal with fantasy over reality.
For most people playing these games, it is acceptable, in your case it's not, most devs here will play to the masses, so you may well be limited to the number of games you can play.
If I were you I would stick to playing mainstream games, what you see as NTR others see it differently, if the Veronica Debby scene got you so riled up then this game isn't really for you, but I can tell you I have played a number of games on this site and most if not all have lesbians in them whether by consent or not.
As for it ruining your whole morning that's really a problem with you not the game and if it affects you that much, I would consider quitting adult gaming as a few games might upset your whole day.
Anyway in finalizing this game's not for you and I don't think a good majority of games on this site will be, but I wish you luck on your endeavour
Can we now end this futile debate on NTR, as this game never has or ever will contain that content, as the definition of NTR is so broad people will interpret the way they see it, but as the rules of the site govern and the dev himself has shown there is no NTR in this game.
 
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