Xythurr

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When your livelihood, like a game dev depending on the support of patreons, it's a risk not worth taking. Your anger is misdirected at the dev trying to mitigate risk rather than the puritanical Patreon policy or their random rules enforcement regime. You shouldn't blame the dev for either of those or for their abiding by the one to avoid the other.
Don't mistake my point for being angry at the dev bud. Honestly as I've already stated this game is already a ticking time bomb waiting to go off on Patreon for the content it already has and everybody knows it.
The facts I've stated are unchanged and it's clear we're not gonna agree so lets get back on topic before the thread gets nuked.
 

Clemency

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11.) I know but I'm not tier 4 but I didn't know you could change the relations
The Family Man trait is no longer locked to MoR Enhanced as far as I can tell. And no, you cannot change the relations, they are wife, son, and daughter, unless your MC is younger than 30. In which case, it is step-son and step-daughter. Still no incest at step-daughter. You can change their names and you can set your wife's focus which influences her stat and traits.

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j01ntr0l1a

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The Family Man trait is no longer locked to MoR Enhanced as far as I can tell. And no, you cannot change the relations, they are wife, son, and daughter, unless your MC is younger than 30. In which case, it is step-son and step-daughter. Still no incest at step-daughter. You can change their names and you can set your wife's focus which influences her stat and traits.

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its not, its locked, ur loading that from a tier 4+ normal run not a normal run from a public version
 

FSDL

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The fact that 99% of people have no issue with this is unchanged. Sorry you're mad about it but bad luck is just that.
We don't stop doing things because there is a single digit percent chance something may go wrong in life.
Actually, I also have "an issue with this". I agree with manmademonster that it's not worth the developers' risks, to implement something that can and likely will cost them. I will add my own take that your arguments are not only spurious apples to oranges logic, but self serving. I'm not here to kink shame anyone, but I will defend my opportunity to enjoy what I like to play, without being insulted, directly or otherwise, for NOT being interested in participating in someone else's kink, thank you. Team Grimdark has created something special here. I want to see where they take it. I don't see how adding incest will enhance the story or the game play in any way. I don't usually involve myself in these little spats, for the same reasons I don't get into the NTR/NO INTR spats, for reasons that should be obvious. I will suggest that those 99 percent you speak so blithely of might, like me, prefer to stay out of stupid keyboard word wars. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them start speaking up soon. But really, you've been yammering at manmademonster now for far longer than just expressing your opinion accounts for. Those of us who like this game, and support it, as it is being being envisioned and created really don't want to see it perish because someone just HAD push push push until they pushed it out of feasibility. Maybe you could give it a rest. Now go have a nice self-entitled day.
 

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1. The whipping cane does very little damage.
2. It makes no sense as a way to incapacitate someone in a fight, especially in a game where body armor and firearms are common.

As capturing slaves becomes ever more important and with more potential captures, the whipping cane becomes more and more annoying. It breaks immersion for me and prolongs fights.
 
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joaodasilva

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When your livelihood depends on an income stream, like a game dev depending on the support of patreons, it's a risk not worth taking. Your anger is misdirected at the dev trying to mitigate risk rather than the puritanical Patreon policy or their random rules enforcement regime. You shouldn't blame the dev for either of those or for their abiding by the one to avoid the other.
It could be a chain of bullshit, who knows. Maybe patreon or similar platforms were hit again by payment processors.
 
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FSDL

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1. The whipping cane does very little damage.
2. It makes no sense as a way to incapacitate someone in a fight, especially in a game where body armor and firearms are common.

As capturing slaves becomes ever more important and with more potential captures, the whipping cane becomes more and more annoying. It breaks immersion for me and prolongs fights.
Lurker, the damage from the whipping can, and the combat staff, are directly related to MC skill levels. I I have had no trouble at all with most captures since I passed the 100 melee skill level. For S&G I knock down the Space hulk using JUST the cane. It works. YMMV.
 

Gato21

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1. The whipping cane does very little damage.
2. It makes no sense as a way to incapacitate someone in a fight, especially in a game where body armor and firearms are common.

As capturing slaves becomes ever more important and with more potential captures, the whipping cane becomes more and more annoying. It breaks immersion for me and prolongs fights.
I view it as an instrument to deliver the coup de grâce, not as an effective weapon. Incapacitating gas would be cool AOE though, NGL.
 

Xythurr

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Actually, I also have "an issue with this". I agree with manmademonster that it's not worth the developers' risks, to implement something that can and likely will cost them. I will add my own take that your arguments are not only spurious apples to oranges logic, but self serving. I'm not here to kink shame anyone, but I will defend my opportunity to enjoy what I like to play, without being insulted, directly or otherwise, for NOT being interested in participating in someone else's kink, thank you. Team Grimdark has created something special here. I want to see where they take it. I don't see how adding incest will enhance the story or the game play in any way. I don't usually involve myself in these little spats, for the same reasons I don't get into the NTR/NO INTR spats, for reasons that should be obvious. I will suggest that those 99 percent you speak so blithely of might, like me, prefer to stay out of stupid keyboard word wars. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them start speaking up soon. But really, you've been yammering at manmademonster now for far longer than just expressing your opinion accounts for. Those of us who like this game, and support it, as it is being being envisioned and created really don't want to see it perish because someone just HAD push push push until they pushed it out of feasibility. Maybe you could give it a rest. Now go have a nice self-entitled day.
I never addressed him until I was addressed. I didn't know responding to another person counted as "yammering at them" but you do you bud.
Also calling out hypocrisy and silliness is not me forcing a "kink" onto you. Everything in the game is optional. I'm not into hardcore BDSM so I don't typically do it in my games.
The dev isn't forcing kinks on anybody by giving people options so your whole diatribe reeks of bad faith.
If two people discussing something offends your sensibilities then I suggest you get off the forums.
You won't have to witness "keyboard wars" that way buddy.

This game already has content that is pushing the Patreon TOS so that point is moot as well. Have a nice day!:D
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Lurker452

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Lurker, the damage from the whipping can, and the combat staff, are directly related to MC skill levels. I I have had no trouble at all with most captures since I passed the 100 melee skill level. For S&G I knock down the Space hulk using JUST the cane. It works. YMMV.
I am fully aware of that. Both of my points still stand.
 

FSDL

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There is nothing hypocritical about a developer protecting his/her/their investment/creation. Constantly bothering them to customize it to your own personal specifications is selfish, and couching those demands in terms of "reasonableness" IS hypocritical. Tossing out your little "99" percent is just bullshit until you actually do a survey which nets 100 percent participation, and demonstrates accuracy in your claims. But hey, I hear that there is a movement right now to force Parker Brothers to introduce incest to their online version of Monopoly. Maybe try joining them. You might find what you are looking for there.
 

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1. The whipping cane does very little damage.
2. It makes no sense as a way to incapacitate someone in a fight, especially in a game where body armor and firearms are common.

As capturing slaves becomes ever more important and with more potential captures, the whipping cane becomes more and more annoying. It breaks immersion for me and prolongs fights.
If you make your first priority after raising Stamina to increase Melee Combat and Strength on your top slaving team you will find the whipstick quite effective in disabling opponents. It does prolong combats but that also means you get more crits so Melee Combat skill goes up even faster. I don't even bother switching out melee weapons when fighting (Randoms) in the Arena, I do fire a few shots sometimes but usually just take them down with whipsticks.

As for immersion, just think of it like beating them down rather than blowing or cutting holes in them. It takes longer but it's definitely worth it as you can sell them afterward.
 
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Lurker452

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I view it as an instrument to deliver the coup de grâce, not as an effective weapon. Incapacitating gas would be cool AOE though, NGL.
I generally use it that way, which requires swapping weapons and risking accidental kills. When you could only capture 1 ea male and female in a fight that was more palatable.
 
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Xythurr

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There is nothing hypocritical about a developer protecting his/her/their investment/creation. Constantly bothering them to customize it to your own personal specifications is selfish, and couching those demands in terms of "reasonableness" IS hypocritical. Tossing out your little "99" percent is just bullshit until you actually do a survey which nets 100 percent participation, and demonstrates accuracy in your claims. But hey, I hear that there is a movement right now to force Parker Brothers to introduce incest to their online version of Monopoly. Maybe try joining them. You might find what you are looking for there.
If you can find where I've constantly bothered the dev to do anything or even asked them for anything anywhere on this thread or the entire internet you may have a point.
I suggest you go back and read the whole comment chain to see where it started since you seem so interested for someone who stays out of "keyboard wars".
You will discover how dumb you are looking right now to anyone who has.

You don't have to agree with me but lying is a shit thing to do bud. Even more stupid when what you're saying/implying is easily proven false.
 

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I generally use it that way, which requires swapping weapons and risking accidental kills. When you could only capture 1 ea male and female in a fight that was more palatable.
Don't bother swapping, if you want to make the most slaving then just stay with whipsticks most all of the time. Firing guns (or using Katanas/Greatswords) at those with Combat Armor+ to whittle them down is the most I ever do.

Note that the bonus damages from high Melee/Strength/Powerstrike far surpass the relative difference between a whipstick and a sword for instance. Also consider getting 'Critical Strike' during character creation or adding Aaron from Kymanto as they are very helpful for slaver strats.
 
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