VN Ren'Py Abandoned Measuring My Cum [Ch. 4 v4.0c] [Suzinak]

[jas13]

I praised this game and the creators long time ago when it was first shared and everyone was happy now I'm seeing chaos all over like many other games in this forum.
First Suzinak bro I think you need to have a moment of reflection and honesty if you want to continue this project or not .

Can't the creators in this community have some respect to the fanbase and be more honest about their next plans and fix them? can't they understand that their product is not their product anymore when it's shared with people ?

So the creator starts a project for the community and then doesn't have any passion anymore or can't deal with the fans demands , doesn't have enough time or problems with project timeline he should start reflecting.. it's not a hobby anymore for satisfying his ego ... rendering power , energy and creativity not managed well !

If people are angry and problems are lurking inside your team and outside this is your problem and you have to fix it not by blaming people and banning them ( even if those people were wrong). all of this is a result of something or many things not working within the project , this is a reflection of bad management of the project overall , you're failing to manage .. you're not serious disciplined anymore !

I know as creator you can't make everyone happy but at least keep the satisfaction you started on the same level is it hard to keep the same pace ? , of course if this is your aim , if not then what the f you're still doing with this project ? it's not your game to mess with or even to share updates whenever you want without any plan even if it's always free , people have the right on this product because it's everyone product it could never been there without the people . otherwise things will get more accumulated for worse and it's bad for the creator and everyone . best thing is to be honest with oneself and quit to keep a good memory of this product if there is still.

I hope things get corrected . good luck .

 

[Asmodeus_]

You are right in this analogy, but the analogy itself is wrong. People don't want to waste time on something they can't get. If you're waiting in line for a meal, you're waiting for that meal all the time you've been waiting for that moment. But I guess people don't wait in front of the computer 24/7 for my game, so you shouldn't wait for any game like that, right? Is there anyone among us who spends time because a new GTA version will be released?


I guess I'm a 1-star business and therefore I'm not making any explanations.


If someone starts scattering tables in the restaurant, smashing plates on the floor, and causing inconvenience to others, you may have to call security and use force. I wouldn't recommend just waiting there and watching.


I don't remember who this person is, but I don't remember banning anyone just for asking about the update's release date, unless it's spam. Since my English is not very good, I may even have made wrong bans sometimes. In such cases, I talk to those who wrote to me in the private message section of Discord, and if there is a misunderstanding, I correct it.


It's great that people support me, I don't underestimate anyone's support. Aside from being a Patron, even a nice comment or a good review is a great support, and they are all as valuable to me as Patrons. But being a Patreon or paying money doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful. Respect comes before money, and if someone goes over the line of respect, if someone insults me, I don't care how big a Patron you are. I advise you to do the same, don't let someone disrespect or insult you just because they paid you, because respect is more important than any amount of money.


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By the way, none of the ones seen in the picture have been banned. Why aren't all these people banned for asking about the update?

Bad example about the GTA6 release... Yes there are people waiting for it, and writing about it everyday! Imagine what happens in Rockstar forums and twitter, and all channels of communication! And Rockstar definitely knows what the progress is internally, and they inform all of their investors (the patrons if you can get the analogy) about all issues, progress, release dates, marketing, everything.

And MMC (ofc not comparable to GTA) is also popular in this niche market judging by the ratings and the comments here and in discord (like you shared). And that popularity brings attention. From my POV it's a tribute to how good job has been done with the game so far!

But at the same time there's an expectation for all the game creators asking for support on Patreon or wherever. This whole forum is built on that niche market. Everyone expects regular updates on progress, and frequent releases (whether it's 1 month, 6 months or a year).

For whatever reason, for the MMC there are no benefits for all tiers on patreon. That means no updates given to supporters! This baffles me!




It's just access to discord and gratitude.

So...
Is it disrespectful to ask when the update is going to be released?
Is it disrespectful to suspect that no work is being done, when no updates or teasers are given?
Is it disrespectful to suspect there's no plan, when the creator has no idea about the release date?

It's only logical and to be expected.

 

[King Diamond]

You are right in this analogy, but the analogy itself is wrong. People don't want to waste time on something they can't get. If you're waiting in line for a meal, you're waiting for that meal all the time you've been waiting for that moment. But I guess people don't wait in front of the computer 24/7 for my game, so you shouldn't wait for any game like that, right? Is there anyone among us who spends time because a new GTA version will be released?


I guess I'm a 1-star business and therefore I'm not making any explanations.


If someone starts scattering tables in the restaurant, smashing plates on the floor, and causing inconvenience to others, you may have to call security and use force. I wouldn't recommend just waiting there and watching.


I don't remember who this person is, but I don't remember banning anyone just for asking about the update's release date, unless it's spam. Since my English is not very good, I may even have made wrong bans sometimes. In such cases, I talk to those who wrote to me in the private message section of Discord, and if there is a misunderstanding, I correct it.


It's great that people support me, I don't underestimate anyone's support. Aside from being a Patron, even a nice comment or a good review is a great support, and they are all as valuable to me as Patrons. But being a Patreon or paying money doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful. Respect comes before money, and if someone goes over the line of respect, if someone insults me, I don't care how big a Patron you are. I advise you to do the same, don't let someone disrespect or insult you just because they paid you, because respect is more important than any amount of money.


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By the way, none of the ones seen in the picture have been banned. Why aren't all these people banned for asking about the update?

Obviously you are entitled to your own opinions about these things, but it boils down to the fact that you have a product you want people to consume. Sure, you are using the technicality that the game is free to somehow deflect from that fact, but this just means that YOU are the product then, since you accept Patrons. And the simple reality is that people tend to "consume" products that they like, and if they have to choose between many that they like, they often choose the ones that make them feel good about supporting them. Since we seem to like restaurant examples in this thread, if there are two places that have food I like, I am much more likely to frequent the one that always treats me with respect, keeps me updated if there is some delay in the kitchen, checks to see that I'm happy, etc. Not the one that tells me they have no idea when my food will be ready, or even if I'll get what I ordered, and if I don't like it I can just leave.

Drifty (Leap of Faith) sends out an update every Friday to his Patrons. Most of the time it is nothing concrete in terms of a release date or anything like that, but at least he's keeping in touch and telling us what is going on. If you literally did the bare minimum and just communicated fairly regularly about ANYTHING related to the game, there are plenty of people that would probably eat it up and keep paying you the monthly fee. But as it stands, you come across as extremely entitled and unlikable, and I honestly have no idea why anyone would want to support you. Sorry if that seems mean, but that's what your responses and the last several months of this thread are basically saying too. Now, it is VERY possible that it is a language issue compounding the problem, and you don't realize you sound like this, so I figured I'd give you a heads up, since I actually would greatly love to see this game continued. It remains to be seen whether or not the dismissal of Asmodeus from the team will change my opinion, but the first three chapters were fantastic, rendering- and writing-wise. Here's hoping you can take some constructive criticism.

 

[Airell]

Guys, all this drama can be simplified to: If the project is too slow and you are dissatisfied, protest by stopping supporting it. Remember that a dev responds only to one thing ---> support. If that starts to drop, releases and real content start to flow much faster.

Do that which brings real results instead complaining and filling the thread with a toxic and fruitless discussion. It's the same thing over and over throughout the F95... This is unhealthy for everyone.

 

[Cervy2pervy]

lmao imagine if u stopped talking here and used that time to finish an update.

 

[Draupnir7]

If the project is too slow and you are dissatisfied, protest by stopping supporting it.

That would require material support being sent in the first place. I'd wager the good majority of the people who see that message aren't funding the project they bitch about, so if the ones who did open their wallet stopped their support, it'd only be a few drops out of the bucket. Enough of a dent to send the dev running to the arms of their ever-patient Discord hugbox to complain about the discouraging lack of support, but I doubt it would light a fire under anybody.
At this point, bitching here is less about wanting change and more about simple venting of frustration. Can't do it in the Discord, which is something of a trend. Suzinak, Innoxia, Alorth, DerelictHelmsman; there's a good few devs who, once they have their (paid) supporter Discord properly staffed by sycophants, are sufficiently insulated from their own dogshit, and then they can just lapse into a stupor.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

Guys, all this drama can be simplified to: If the project is too slow and you are dissatisfied, protest by stopping supporting it. Remember that a dev responds only to one thing ---> support. If that starts to drop, releases and real content start to flow much faster.

Do that which brings real results instead complaining and filling the thread with a toxic and fruitless discussion. It's the same thing over and over throughout the F95... This is unhealthy for everyone.

That would require them to be patrons in the first place, which they aren't and on top of that they have nothing better to do than complaining when a game doesn't get updates at the speed they want. You have a dev tag, you should know that, lol.

 

[UnDoubleUpUhUh]

no one knows, including me

That's a fair response, albeit one that invites a follow-up -- what specific work have you done on the next chapter so far, and in your best guess, how much of your next release does the currently completed work represent?

 

[artofwar]

Am I the only person who thinks that if you charge people money then you should be held to a certain standard?

 

[genteis]

Am I the only person who thinks that if you charge people money then you should be held to a certain standard?

It might sound stupid but if you make peanuts... then not really that much. Because the amount that you make is nowhere close to giving you livable wage. So if there would be any standards at all, then at least the bare minimum should be to post monthly news about progress and if you are even working on project or what you have done. Otherwise you are just milking those few cents even if you already dipped.

But if you are like icstor, who shoveled money together and still produced nothing, then yeah, I would call that scamming. Your bare minimum at that level should be monthly updates, unless you insist on being a one man team. But there would be no excuse to take all that money and produce nothing. Of course, if people on patreon werent so gullible and willing to just give their money away to a scammer, it wouldnt even happen. Break your bromise once? Well that is no support from me anymore. You can get your patreon back once you have fulfilled promises 2 months in a row. Sadly that is not the reality.

 

[genteis]

Quite passive aggressive here huh.

Why only last week? Tell them about your daily life. After all, if your community posts on your game thread everyday they're entitled to daily dev updates aren't they?

Not what he said.

And how can your community be sure you're actually telling the truth? Extensive photographic and documentary evidence, that's how. Anything less is unbecoming of a porno game dev.

Fair point but the bullshitting should quickly become obvious.

 

[GandalfTheGrey91]

Being a Patron doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful, or the right to break the rules (I don't remember who you are). If someone is constantly asking about when the update will be released and gets the same answer over and over, and still keeps asking the same question, in my opinion this is spam and is the reason for muting or banning. Let me also add that I don't know how the rules are on other Discord servers, but insults on this discord server are also a reason for ban. Some people may think that insult is also freedom of speech (it counts as freedom in the US, but not in Europe I guess), but to me it is not freedom. If you spam, you can get banned, if you insult someone, you can get banned, simple.

Then educate yourself before you assume things who aren't true, you tick.

You live from others without giving them anything back. You are in the same tier as a virus, louse and tapeworm.

 

[GandalfTheGrey91]

I don't want to take a defensive position on that, but to be fair,
their Discord-Server > their house > their rules. Simply as that.
You wouldn't want annoying people in your house either, wouldn't you?!

At least my house would be paid on my own and not paid by someone else who shows up from time to time to want to know where the money is.

 

[Asmodeus_]

...Buuuut I guess words mean whatever draws some clicks towards Asmodeus' own project.

Wut?
So, if I am a game creator, all the arguments I've made so far don't matter at all?

Do you think that I have a personal agenda to promote my game by making arguments? Nope...
I'm just disappointed. And I'm expressing that disappointment.
If it also happens that I'm also a creator, doesn't mean my arguments aren't valid.

He literally said these are community supported games and it's disrespectful not to give updates to the community. I'm just applying the same standards to him. Like I said, many patreon creators post almost every day. I've done projects where I was not only expected to be on call 24/7 but had to be. If it's casual then you set your own terms/limits, if it's a job there are no limits. No one preemptively chooses how committed they are in some self-conceived bubble, so to expect it of others is stupid.

Give me a second to understand your argument here. So that means...

That if people are stupid enough to support a creator when they give no promises to do anything, then it's their own fault?

If yes, then we agree on that! No argument here!

 

[Asmodeus_]

You pop up in this thread whenever this argument comes up and tell us how, unlike Suzinak, you're a great dev who puts out regular updates etc etc.

I don't pop up. I've been here since I was involved in this game. And I was expressing my opinion when I was part of this project, and I keep expressing the same opinion now that I'm not. And I don't think I'm a great dev, I'm just trying to improve constantly. Nothing has changed in my mentality on that part.

But, we can agree that we disagree on that point and move on

And that's really my point, don't pay for stuff without being sure you'll get it. If you want an unfinished product on patreon then subscribe, dl and unsubscribe. Otherwise you are in fact giving away money, and while there's nothing wrong with that per se there's no point complaining about getting nothing back after you've done it. And for people complaining about updates who haven't even paid, maybe fap to something else?

Then we agree 100%! So it's all good again!

 

[originalspam]

I liked this game, sad to see it abandoned.

 

[Draupnir7]

I liked this game, sad to see it abandoned.

It arguably isn't, it's just been long enough without an update that the tag was slapped on.
Suzi apparently has a new writer because the old one... I don't even think Suzi knows why Asmo had to go. Too eager to continue work on the game is my going theory. We're all playing Blame Tennis right now to decide who's full of shit.

 

[Jorjor69]

This is fast becoming like Radiant (another pop game here). At the end of the day, it all boils down to: if it gets continued/updated, wonderful, we get our entertainment the authors will get more support too! If not, it's sad and nothing can be done about it and we all have to move on.

 

[Ozygator]

Btw, this is me taking your own argument to its logical conclusion. I hereby suggest everyone reading go over to Asmodeus' game thread and support him by demanding tri-hourly dev updates.

This isn't taking anyone's argument or stance to it's "logical conclusion", it's being an argumentative troll. You have overblown a simple concept "hey I feel I should provide an update to the fans and supporters of my game as a conscientious person" to some arbitrarly inflated number of "what if they ask for an update 3X a day?!" as if that is a requirement. His entire point was to provide an ongoing update, in this case weekly, as a way to keep people apprised of the development. No where in the entire origional response you supposedly replied to, did Asmodeus say they would blindly do what every single poster asked of them.

So are you a blind supporter of Suzinak out to defend their complete inaction ro further develop this game, or so you like to try to boost your fragile self-esteem by randomly trolling others in a forum? From just reading a few of your posts I'd guess both...

 

[genteis]

That's literally the same thing. Obviously I don't believe in the logical conclusion or as you say overblown version of his idea, I did it to show why it's wrong and inconsistent. There is no standardised measure for what constitutes acceptable or reliable porno dev conduct far as I'm aware, nothing even remotely close to such a thing.

It's a case by case basis determination at best that is itself subjective (you're okay just donating, you want to dl, you're filthy rich, savings were p good this month etc etc).... As I explained later on before suggesting everyone else do the same instead of being stuck in these vicious cycles of simping/hating on online strangers based on ad hoc expectations/standards cooked up by extremely online echo chambers built around those strangers. It's unhealthy for everyone involved, imo.


"Arbitrarily inflated number", "as if that is a requirement".... according to whom? Compared to what? "Hey I have a life to live but as a conscientious person I should do what some people on the internet say." Jeez you people...


I mean a blind supporter or any supporter would at least advertise the game on their sig bruv. You know the most obvious form of support there is on this forum apart from donating. But sure, if that helps the voices go away...

For everyone else I repeat: do not spend money online without knowing what it gets you, or not.

I think the OP said it perfectly, you are taking a simple thing and trying to make it complicated.

Here is me, I am a game developer and I am creating a game out of my free time. I will post monthly updates on progress and what I have been doing. Feel free to support me if you are interested in my game.

Here we have a simple introduction and promise on top of a game that should let the people choose whether they want to support us or not. If I break that promise, then they would have every right to ask questions. If they would demand more, then simply saying "Sorry, I stated my conditions in introduction bla bla bla, I can't do better than that and feel free to stop supporting me".

Boom, easy. I don't think there is a single instance, where people are unjustified in their outrage towards a developer. Usually these developers miss multiple deadlines and go as far to missing it by half a year or even more and then either:

a) Turn passive aggressive
b) Make up a thousand excuses how they had health problems and what not