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Bad example about the GTA6 release... Yes there are people waiting for it, and writing about it everyday! Imagine what happens in Rockstar forums and twitter, and all channels of communication! And Rockstar definitely knows what the progress is internally, and they inform all of their investors (the patrons if you can get the analogy) about all issues, progress, release dates, marketing, everything.You are right in this analogy, but the analogy itself is wrong. People don't want to waste time on something they can't get. If you're waiting in line for a meal, you're waiting for that meal all the time you've been waiting for that moment. But I guess people don't wait in front of the computer 24/7 for my game, so you shouldn't wait for any game like that, right? Is there anyone among us who spends time because a new GTA version will be released?
I guess I'm a 1-star business and therefore I'm not making any explanations.
If someone starts scattering tables in the restaurant, smashing plates on the floor, and causing inconvenience to others, you may have to call security and use force. I wouldn't recommend just waiting there and watching.
I don't remember who this person is, but I don't remember banning anyone just for asking about the update's release date, unless it's spam. Since my English is not very good, I may even have made wrong bans sometimes. In such cases, I talk to those who wrote to me in the private message section of Discord, and if there is a misunderstanding, I correct it.
It's great that people support me, I don't underestimate anyone's support. Aside from being a Patron, even a nice comment or a good review is a great support, and they are all as valuable to me as Patrons. But being a Patreon or paying money doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful. Respect comes before money, and if someone goes over the line of respect, if someone insults me, I don't care how big a Patron you are. I advise you to do the same, don't let someone disrespect or insult you just because they paid you, because respect is more important than any amount of money.
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By the way, none of the ones seen in the picture have been banned. Why aren't all these people banned for asking about the update?
Obviously you are entitled to your own opinions about these things, but it boils down to the fact that you have a product you want people to consume. Sure, you are using the technicality that the game is free to somehow deflect from that fact, but this just means that YOU are the product then, since you accept Patrons. And the simple reality is that people tend to "consume" products that they like, and if they have to choose between many that they like, they often choose the ones that make them feel good about supporting them. Since we seem to like restaurant examples in this thread, if there are two places that have food I like, I am much more likely to frequent the one that always treats me with respect, keeps me updated if there is some delay in the kitchen, checks to see that I'm happy, etc. Not the one that tells me they have no idea when my food will be ready, or even if I'll get what I ordered, and if I don't like it I can just leave.You are right in this analogy, but the analogy itself is wrong. People don't want to waste time on something they can't get. If you're waiting in line for a meal, you're waiting for that meal all the time you've been waiting for that moment. But I guess people don't wait in front of the computer 24/7 for my game, so you shouldn't wait for any game like that, right? Is there anyone among us who spends time because a new GTA version will be released?
I guess I'm a 1-star business and therefore I'm not making any explanations.
If someone starts scattering tables in the restaurant, smashing plates on the floor, and causing inconvenience to others, you may have to call security and use force. I wouldn't recommend just waiting there and watching.
I don't remember who this person is, but I don't remember banning anyone just for asking about the update's release date, unless it's spam. Since my English is not very good, I may even have made wrong bans sometimes. In such cases, I talk to those who wrote to me in the private message section of Discord, and if there is a misunderstanding, I correct it.
It's great that people support me, I don't underestimate anyone's support. Aside from being a Patron, even a nice comment or a good review is a great support, and they are all as valuable to me as Patrons. But being a Patreon or paying money doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful. Respect comes before money, and if someone goes over the line of respect, if someone insults me, I don't care how big a Patron you are. I advise you to do the same, don't let someone disrespect or insult you just because they paid you, because respect is more important than any amount of money.
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By the way, none of the ones seen in the picture have been banned. Why aren't all these people banned for asking about the update?
That would require material support being sent in the first place. I'd wager the good majority of the people who see that message aren't funding the project they bitch about, so if the ones who did open their wallet stopped their support, it'd only be a few drops out of the bucket. Enough of a dent to send the dev running to the arms of their ever-patient Discord hugbox to complain about the discouraging lack of support, but I doubt it would light a fire under anybody.If the project is too slow and you are dissatisfied, protest by stopping supporting it.
That would require them to be patrons in the first place, which they aren't and on top of that they have nothing better to do than complaining when a game doesn't get updates at the speed they want. You have a dev tag, you should know that, lol.Guys, all this drama can be simplified to: If the project is too slow and you are dissatisfied, protest by stopping supporting it. Remember that a dev responds only to one thing ---> support. If that starts to drop, releases and real content start to flow much faster.
Do that which brings real results instead complaining and filling the thread with a toxic and fruitless discussion. It's the same thing over and over throughout the F95... This is unhealthy for everyone.
That's a fair response, albeit one that invites a follow-up -- what specific work have you done on the next chapter so far, and in your best guess, how much of your next release does the currently completed work represent?no one knows, including me
It might sound stupid but if you make peanuts... then not really that much. Because the amount that you make is nowhere close to giving you livable wage. So if there would be any standards at all, then at least the bare minimum should be to post monthly news about progress and if you are even working on project or what you have done. Otherwise you are just milking those few cents even if you already dipped.Am I the only person who thinks that if you charge people money then you should be held to a certain standard?
Not what he said.Why only last week? Tell them about your daily life. After all, if your community posts on your game thread everyday they're entitled to daily dev updates aren't they?
Fair point but the bullshitting should quickly become obvious.And how can your community be sure you're actually telling the truth? Extensive photographic and documentary evidence, that's how. Anything less is unbecoming of a porno game dev.
Then educate yourself before you assume things who aren't true, you tick.Being a Patron doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful, or the right to break the rules (I don't remember who you are). If someone is constantly asking about when the update will be released and gets the same answer over and over, and still keeps asking the same question, in my opinion this is spam and is the reason for muting or banning. Let me also add that I don't know how the rules are on other Discord servers, but insults on this discord server are also a reason for ban. Some people may think that insult is also freedom of speech (it counts as freedom in the US, but not in Europe I guess), but to me it is not freedom. If you spam, you can get banned, if you insult someone, you can get banned, simple.
At least my house would be paid on my own and not paid by someone else who shows up from time to time to want to know where the money is.I don't want to take a defensive position on that, but to be fair,
their Discord-Server > their house > their rules. Simply as that.
You wouldn't want annoying people in your house either, wouldn't you?!
Wut?...Buuuut I guess words mean whatever draws some clicks towards Asmodeus' own project.
Give me a second to understand your argument here. So that means...He literally said these are community supported games and it's disrespectful not to give updates to the community. I'm just applying the same standards to him. Like I said, many patreon creators post almost every day. I've done projects where I was not only expected to be on call 24/7 but had to be. If it's casual then you set your own terms/limits, if it's a job there are no limits. No one preemptively chooses how committed they are in some self-conceived bubble, so to expect it of others is stupid.
I don't pop up. I've been here since I was involved in this game. And I was expressing my opinion when I was part of this project, and I keep expressing the same opinion now that I'm not. And I don't think I'm a great dev, I'm just trying to improve constantly. Nothing has changed in my mentality on that part.You pop up in this thread whenever this argument comes up and tell us how, unlike Suzinak, you're a great dev who puts out regular updates etc etc.
Then we agree 100%! So it's all good again!And that's really my point, don't pay for stuff without being sure you'll get it. If you want an unfinished product on patreon then subscribe, dl and unsubscribe. Otherwise you are in fact giving away money, and while there's nothing wrong with that per se there's no point complaining about getting nothing back after you've done it. And for people complaining about updates who haven't even paid, maybe fap to something else?
It arguably isn't, it's just been long enough without an update that the tag was slapped on.I liked this game, sad to see it abandoned.
This isn't taking anyone's argument or stance to it's "logical conclusion", it's being an argumentative troll. You have overblown a simple concept "hey I feel I should provide an update to the fans and supporters of my game as a conscientious person" to some arbitrarly inflated number of "what if they ask for an update 3X a day?!" as if that is a requirement. His entire point was to provide an ongoing update, in this case weekly, as a way to keep people apprised of the development. No where in the entire origional response you supposedly replied to, did Asmodeus say they would blindly do what every single poster asked of them.Btw, this is me taking your own argument to its logical conclusion. I hereby suggest everyone reading go over to Asmodeus' game thread and support him by demanding tri-hourly dev updates.