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genteis

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I'm doing the exact opposite of that. Pointing out that donating on patreon is not an enforceable contract
That is not what I argued about? I said, if you make promises and fail to upkeep them, then don't be surprised if people start asking questions. And if they start asking questions and become angry, then is it really your place as developer to feel like you are being done injustice?

The whole context of the discussion was that the developer of this game felt like people are being unjustified in their rants or negative feedback such as the one he got was not warranted. Other developers chimed in how they work and how they deal with this kind of situation and how it is avoidable in the first place. Then you came in with your silly logical conclusions that took things to a complete extreme. The whole point was about how this could be avoided for the developer of this game and none of this bickering would be happening. At least not at this scale.
 
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Jorjor69

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They're a guy who wanted to make a porno game and then didn't. Your fap frenzy is irrelevant.
:ROFLMAO:(y)

...as if that's going to achieve anything other than more depression and impotent rage. Whereas the focus of any awareness effort should be on teaching horny teens wielding mommy's credit card to caveat fucking emptor before pressing the magic money buttons on the website with sexy girl pics.
Ouch but, bulls-fn-eye!! :giggle:
 

genteis

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And I explained why it's not a promise. Certainly not in a legal/enforceable sense, but also not in an informal sense bc you do not know them. A small hobbyist dev is not personally betraying you if they say they'll develop a game then decide not to for whatever reason. They're a guy who wanted to make a porno game and then didn't. Your fap frenzy is irrelevant.

And just in case it wasn't clear, benefits specifically tied to donations are in fact promises and there is already a way for donors to take action in case they do not receive them, which notably doesn't involve posting about broken promises on f95 and discord.


"Not at this scale" lol. I've seen people making these same arguments at the same "scale" in threads without even a patreon link, or with single digit patreon earnings. Because all the talk about outrage etc is an excuse to vent frustration.

And on that note, the reason I'm even having this argument is posters use this betrayal/broken promises argument to spam these fucking annoying rants that inadvertently promote the stupid self-defeating notion of "holding devs accountable" after you've already spent your money as if that's going to achieve anything other than more depression and impotent rage. Whereas the focus of any awareness effort should be on teaching horny teens wielding mommy's credit card to caveat fucking emptor before pressing the magic money buttons on the website with sexy girl pics.

I will try saying it for the 3rd or 4th or 5th god damned time I guess. I understand your point and agree that people throw away their money too easily but I also don't understand why you can't seem to agree with the fact that if you go on patreon, which is a platform for people to support artists to do what they do, then there is some kind of right for people to expect to get some content back for the money they send away. It does not have to be legally binding contract. And if the developer is doing nothing but lying and milking then yes, despite the fact that people are still stupidly supporting, they also have a right to be angry. The developer could easily a) pause payments b) try to put an effort into the explanations and avoid the drama.

Second thing I agree with, if the person really does not take any money for his work and people still show outrage or make nasty comments, then that is totally unwarranted. But I just haven't seen such instance.
 
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Carpe Stultus

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This is fast becoming like Radiant (another pop game here). At the end of the day, it all boils down to: if it gets continued/updated, wonderful, we get our entertainment the authors will get more support too! If not, it's sad and nothing can be done about it and we all have to move on.
How do you even compare both games? First: One half of the dev team of radiant makes or made tons of empty promisses in his first game, then abandoned it, and in the radiant thread. On top of that makes radiant a shit load more money than measuring my cum. Comparing an overhyped scam game with a game that is made as a hobby is plain stupid, but i don't expect anything else here on f95 since people tend to throw all devs into the same pott as the big earning scammers without using their brain.
 

Jorjor69

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How do you even compare both games? First: One half of the dev team of radiant makes or made tons of empty promisses in his first game, then abandoned it, and in the radiant thread. On top of that makes radiant a shit load more money than measuring my cum. Comparing an overhyped scam game with a game that is made as a hobby is plain stupid, but i don't expect anything else here on f95 since people tend to throw all devs into the same pott as the big earning scammers without using their brain.
You missed the whole point of my post by a country mile: "move on!"
 

LokkenJP

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Hi!

Just a quick kudos to the dev of this game. I didn't know about MMC until today, and after literally devouring the first three chapters, I think it's really a masterpiece (or, at the very least, a piece of it). Suzinak you rock!!!

I've read that the game has been though a bumpy road, and now it's abandoned/on-hold/rescheduled or whatever. Just wanted to show my support and give some encouragement words to the dev.

Best of lucks with whatevr you decide to do, mister!
 

monopz

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It arguably isn't, it's just been long enough without an update that the tag was slapped on.
Suzi apparently has a new writer because the old one... I don't even think Suzi knows why Asmo had to go. Too eager to continue work on the game is my going theory. We're all playing Blame Tennis right now to decide who's full of shit.
Well the original version of this game actually was copying a erotic story written on the internet more than a decade ago. The remake did change that and wasn't just nearly a verbatim copy of that story, it still had a somewhat similar premise but wasn't a copy. This game is quite good but I could understand why the person behind this game would want to use a unique story.

I just had happened to read the story years ago so I recognized it when the name was 100% identical and the story was nearly so.
 
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Well the original version of this game actually was copying a erotic story written on the internet more than a decade ago.
wrote a great story. I'm going back to read it again soon.
I might even make better visuals that the Dev did, by imagining the MILF mom and her friends in my own mind. ♥
 

Asmodeus_

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Well the original version of this game actually was copying a erotic story written on the internet more than a decade ago. The remake did change that and wasn't just nearly a verbatim copy of that story, it still had a somewhat similar premise but wasn't a copy. This game is quite good but I could understand why the person behind this game would want to use a unique story.

I just had happened to read the story years ago so I recognized it when the name was 100% identical and the story was nearly so.
It was my suggestion to Suzinak to change the story. The main reason is to avoid copyright infringement. You can’t just use a person’s story without any written permission. To be fair Suzinak tried to contact the original writer in literotica, but the writer was AWOL.

So given that, my suggestion was to create an original story with the existing renders at the time (Ch1, ch2 and a part of ch3). That would avoid any risks and also create more suspense for the players. Otherwise someone would read the literotica story and be done with it.

With a new story, the game would have a more interesting story and more engaging characters. At least that was my intention. :giggle:
 

LokkenJP

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It was my suggestion to Suzinak to change the story. The main reason is to avoid copyright infringement. You can’t just use a person’s story without any written permission. To be fair Suzinak tried to contact the original writer in literotica, but the writer was AWOL.

So given that, my suggestion was to create an original story with the existing renders at the time (Ch1, ch2 and a part of ch3). That would avoid any risks and also create more suspense for the players. Otherwise someone would read the literotica story and be done with it.

With a new story, the game would have a more interesting story and more engaging characters. At least that was my intention. :giggle:
Hi!

For what I've been able to read here and here, it seems that you were the script writter for the "revised" game, while Suzinak was the drawer, right?.

For some reason you both were unable to keep working after ch.3 (you decided to move and prioritize your other project, Neuvau, I guess?). And that was when the game development got on hold.

Do you know if there is any chance of the game being resurrected? Or you have no longer any contact with Suzinak and this game?
 

SinCityLocal

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Hi!

For what I've been able to read here and here, it seems that you were the script writter for the "revised" game, while Suzinak was the drawer, right?.

For some reason you both were unable to keep working after ch.3 (you decided to move and prioritize your other project, Neuvau, I guess?). And that was when the game development got on hold.

Do you know if there is any chance of the game being resurrected? Or you have no longer any contact with Suzinak and this game?
There's more to it than that, and your timeline is almost on point, but that's the gist of it.
 

Nubian king

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It was my suggestion to Suzinak to change the story. The main reason is to avoid copyright infringement. You can’t just use a person’s story without any written permission. To be fair Suzinak tried to contact the original writer in literotica, but the writer was AWOL.

So given that, my suggestion was to create an original story with the existing renders at the time (Ch1, ch2 and a part of ch3). That would avoid any risks and also create more suspense for the players. Otherwise someone would read the literotica story and be done with it.

With a new story, the game would have a more interesting story and more engaging characters. At least that was my intention. :giggle:
now that its abandoned may be consider releasing the story(your version)?
 
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troybecks

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Delays in updates makes you lose interest, forget story, forget characters. The next update if comes will come with so much hype, which if it doesn't able to maintain, then this game will go the box.
 
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