VN Ren'Py Abandoned Meeting Her [v0.3.2.1] [Verde]

[Imnus]

I didn't know the main girl being a virgin was such a hot topic. Anyway, I don't think that's information that should just be presented out of the blue. It should come up naturally through the course of the game when MC and her are approaching getting intimate, either right before it happens or in a conversation where she asks to take things slow because she's a virgin. I was curious about it, too, which is why I shook my head when MC could so easily presume she's not a virgin just by touching her. That'd be a dumb way to reveal she's not a virgin because the presence of a hymen is not the only indication of a virgin. Lots of girls "lose" their hymens (it's actually more accurate to say their hymens get stretched) before having sex, such as stretching it with use of toys/fingers, doing sports such as gymnastics, or even accidents when they fall on their tail bones (like a friend I know whose hymen got ruptured when she fell off a horse).

But after seeing the dev's reply, I feel that line was more of a troll than anything (seeing as you only see the line during a game over).

TBH how we define what a virgin even is?

In my book if a girl is penetrated in any way, oral, vaginal or anally, be it a toy, a dildo or an actual penis she's no longer a virgin.

Keep in mind why a girl being a virgin is even a thing, it's about purity, it's about ensuring the girl is not promiscuous. So if a girl is sexually active, it doesn't even fucking matter if her hymen is intact.

The ironic part of all of this that men are hardwired to look out for purity because it helps ensuring paternity, but on top of that promiscuity in women leads them to anxiety and depression.

Sadly, most of them don't realize that until too late, so they party and sleep around in their early twenties, but when they start approaching 30 reality comes knocking and they start to go crazy.

 

[Deleted member 1571716]

Well, I was liking it until the forced feet shit. Not everyone is into feet. I wish the dev well.

 

[muthaluva]

I also encountered that mart1 error as well, just have to remove the variable that's triggering the error. I attached my quick fixed version, just extract it then paste it into your game folder and overwrite the existing files.

Turned out it was the mod, which has now been updated to fix that issue.

 

[Larry2000]

You say it's not just the virgin part, but you are still hung up on it. A bad ending is not part of continuity, not part of story canon.

First: you - like many others -, go ahead and presume that every character in a story is infallible and all-knowing. I tell you something: people can be wrong, even made up people... hell, ESPECIALLY made up people! So if a character in a story says something, especially something about other than themselves, it's not automatically a fact in that story!

Second: hymen geometry and plasticity is so extremely varied, it's totally impossible for anyone who isn't its owner to tell with any certainty if someone is a virgin or not. In simpler words: some have such a large hole in their hymen naturally, you can't even tell if they have one, some are completely shut so they need surgery to be able to menstruate. Some are so delicate a tampon breaks them, some are so flexible, they don't break during sex. They are as different from each other on the inside, as different they all look on the outside. Okay?

You just can't tell who is a virgin and who isn't just by fingering their coochie, and the fact that the MC can tell is the biggest piece of fiction in this entire made up story so far... oooor... he made a wild uneducated guess, which could easily be false.


But the mere fact that this is not even story content we're arguing about makes this entire conversation just stupid...

First piece of advice: Don't dictate what people are "hung up on" when they specifically told you they weren't. That's in bad faith and not cool; that still stands even if they happen to be lying.
Second piece of advice: Don't write a novel to something they weren't even asking about, let alone that they told you they put the discussion to bed, yet you decided the conversation wasn't over.

Final thoughts: I happen to agree with them. Even it was a bad ending, it would be canonical in a general/informational sense because the Dev wrote that into the script where there is no information available elsewhere. It's like sometimes in games you learn some information about someone in a bad ending such as there name, their allegiance, or they show a side of themselves they would never show you. In this case the MC "confirms" she isn't a virgin (I agree, that's a stupid thing to say as if you can just stick a finger and find out so easily. Dumbest bit of writing in the game to be honest) it's meant to indicate that he's correctly identified this fantasy method of virgin barometer. I'm gonna fuck off now, you behave

 

[Larry2000]

Well, I was liking it until the forced feet shit. Not everyone is into feet. I wish the dev well.

If it makes you feel better, the Dev is apparently changing a lot of the game in the next update. To me, I'm not into feet. Not that I think they are hideous, but I don't find them attractive. That said, there are worse forced content out there. Feet is practically normal between couples that are into that. It's not like it's BDSM, EN TEE ARGHHH or sticking a finger in my ass. But yeah, I think the Dev should give options.

 

[Deleted member 1571716]

If it makes you feel better, the Dev is apparently changing a lot of the game in the next update. To me, I'm not into feet. Not that I think they are hideous, but I don't find them attractive. That said, there are worse forced content out there. Feet is practically normal between couples that are into that. It's not like it's BDSM, EN TEE ARGHHH or sticking a finger in my ass. But yeah, I think the Dev should give options.

I agree. BDSM is ok with me. EN TEE ARGHHH is not. Feet are not my thing. Nor is hairy women. Shave that shit. lol But, yeah, hopefully the dev gives options. If he does, I might revisit the game.

 

[doe50818]

First piece of advice: Don't dictate what people are "hung up on" when they specifically told you they weren't. That's in bad faith and not cool; that still stands even if they happen to be lying.
Second piece of advice: Don't write a novel to something they weren't even asking about, let alone that they told you they put the discussion to bed, yet you decided the conversation wasn't over.

Final thoughts: I happen to agree with them. Even it was a bad ending, it would be canonical in a general/informational sense because the Dev wrote that into the script where there is no information available elsewhere. It's like sometimes in games you learn some information about someone in a bad ending such as there name, their allegiance, or they show a side of themselves they would never show you. In this case the MC "confirms" she isn't a virgin (I agree, that's a stupid thing to say as if you can just stick a finger and find out so easily. Dumbest bit of writing in the game to be honest) it's meant to indicate that he's correctly identified this fantasy method of virgin barometer. I'm gonna fuck off now, you behave

If one sentence says one thing, and the rest of the sentences of the comment prove the opposite thing, I'm allowed to call them out on it.

Second: there's still no confirmation, the MC is neither established to be omnipotent or omniscient, so none of his personal opinion pieces have any effect on shaping his reality, i.e. the story. The assumption that the writer talks through him and drops you a meta is just blatantly false. The only information you can take as fact in any story in the entirety of fiction through the history of mankind is what's part of the individual story's continuity. That's not my opinion, that's how literature works. If it's not part of the continuity, it's not even part of the canon, otherwise you'd be in quite a pickle, because people like Hemingway wrote stories with 47 alternate endings waaay back. The mere fact that you have had several Mass Effect games to play involved the developers determining several of your gameplay choices non-canon, picking one as canon, and building on that.

If you still think something not part of the continuity can be canon, just react to this post with a facepalm, and don't bother replying...

 

[Deleted member 1399911]

So.. Still dodging around the virgin tag.. And incest tag is removed now..

 

[Larry2000]

If one sentence says one thing, and the rest of the sentences of the comment prove the opposite thing, I'm allowed to call them out on it.

Second: there's still no confirmation, the MC is neither established to be omnipotent or omniscient, so none of his personal opinion pieces have any effect on shaping his reality, i.e. the story. The assumption that the writer talks through him and drops you a meta is just blatantly false. The only information you can take as fact in any story in the entirety of fiction through the history of mankind is what's part of the individual story's continuity. That's not my opinion, that's how literature works. If it's not part of the continuity, it's not even part of the canon, otherwise you'd be in quite a pickle, because people like Hemingway wrote stories with 47 alternate endings waaay back. The mere fact that you have had several Mass Effect games to play involved the developers determining several of your gameplay choices non-canon, picking one as canon, and building on that.

If you still think something not part of the continuity can be canon, just react to this post with a facepalm, and don't bother replying...

Why do you do this? Literally just giving you some advice that doesn't make you sound like a dick and you just act like a dick back? Who cares what "the rest of the sentences" say? Don't berate people cause you disagree with them. All I did was use logic.
About MC's omniscient abilities, you're right, but as far as you canon goes, that is NOT how literature works. If you knew about literature you know from the outset, it's open to interpretation. That is all. Besides, I never said it was confirmed, I just said that we have NO other information to go on, so of course people would think it's fact.

Why try to chide me for replying? You basically gave a thesis to the other guy when he gave you half a paragraph. Sorry if I offended you somehow, I wasn't trying to. Unless you are the writer of this game, I don't see why you should be so invested in telling off people to be honest. Hope you have a nice day!

 

[sevendustkorn1008]

TBH how we define what a virgin even is?

In my book if a girl is penetrated in any way, oral, vaginal or anally, be it a toy, a dildo or an actual penis she's no longer a virgin.

Keep in mind why a girl being a virgin is even a thing, it's about purity, it's about ensuring the girl is not promiscuous. So if a girl is sexually active, it doesn't even fucking matter if her hymen is intact.

The ironic part of all of this that men are hardwired to look out for purity because it helps ensuring paternity, but on top of that promiscuity in women leads them to anxiety and depression.

Sadly, most of them don't realize that until too late, so they party and sleep around in their early twenties, but when they start approaching 30 reality comes knocking and they start to go crazy.

This is getting off-topic, but that's a very archaic mindset to have (the anxiety and partying thing). And it's odd given we're on a porn game website. As far as I'm concerned, everyone on here (including myself) is a bit of a degenerate. It's all about embracing your flaws.

Anyway, I do agree that simply never having vaginal sex doesn't mean a girl is "pure". I think they're still a virgin because technically that is true. At the most basic definition, a virgin is someone who hasn't had vaginal sex. However, if a girl has had anal and oral sex, they're not innocent, which I think I supposed to be the appeal of a character being a virgin. So yea, if what the dev/storyteller is going for is a pure/innocent character, than it is pointless to have her doing other sexual activity like that. That defeats the whole purpose.

I would push for more specificity on these tags, which has been an ongoing debate for a while now. Instead of simply a "Virgin" tag, which could mean a girl who sluts it up in many ways except hasn't had vaginal (like Manilla Shaw), there could be an "Innocent" or "Purity" tag, which would indicate someone who hasn't done anything sexual. but eh, that's just me. Maybe I care too much about the narrative of these games, lol.

 

[Imnus]

rojo, can I ask why you re-did the poses of Fernanda completely? Most of the ones from v1.3.2 are clearly superior than the new ones, maybe some of the old ones were needing some retouching but you redid them completely and for the most part the old ones are better with some exceptions.

rojo, te puedo preguntar porqué cambiaste las poses de Fernanda completamente? La mayoría de las de la versión v1.3.2 son claramente superiores a las nuevas, tal vez algunas de las antiguas estaban necesitando algunos retoques, pero las rehiciste por completo y en su mayor parte las antiguas son mejores con algunas excepciones.


For example:

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The postures are almost always more natural (better) in the old ones, though there's a few where the faces (expressions) are better in the new ones, for example:

Las posturas son casi siempre más naturales (mejores) en las antiguas, aunque hay algunas donde las caras (expresiones) son mejores en las nuevas, por ejemplo:

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See the faces (expressions) are better, but the postures are still much better in the old ones, ideally you could keep the new faces with the old postures.

Ver que las caras (expresiones) son mejores, pero las posturas aún son mucho mejores en las antiguas, idealmente podrías mantener las caras nuevas con las posturas antiguas.



There is 7 postures where the new ones I think are clearly better:

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For the other characters I do think the new ones are clearly better.

Para los otros personajes, creo que las nuevas son claramente mejores.

 

[Larry2000]

rojo, can I ask why you re-did the poses of Fernanda completely? Most of the ones from v1.3.2 are clearly superior than the new ones, maybe some of the old ones were needing some retouching but you redid them completely and for the most part the old ones are better with some exceptions.

rojo, te puedo preguntar porqué cambiaste las poses de Fernanda completamente? La mayoría de las de la versión v1.3.2 son claramente superiores a las nuevas, tal vez algunas de las antiguas estaban necesitando algunos retoques, pero las rehiciste por completo y en su mayor parte las antiguas son mejores con algunas excepciones.


For example:

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The postures are almost always more natural (better) in the old ones, though there's a few where the faces (expressions) are better in the new ones, for example:

Las posturas son casi siempre más naturales (mejores) en las antiguas, aunque hay algunas donde las caras (expresiones) son mejores en las nuevas, por ejemplo:


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See the faces (expressions) are better, but the postures are still much better in the old ones, ideally you could keep the new faces with the old postures.

Ver que las caras (expresiones) son mejores, pero las posturas aún son mucho mejores en las antiguas, idealmente podrías mantener las caras nuevas con las posturas antiguas.



There is 7 postures where the new ones I think are clearly better:

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For the other characters I do think the new ones are clearly better.

Para los otros personajes, creo que las nuevas son claramente mejores.

Just for the sake of clarity and respect for the thread, I'd suggest that you add Spoiler Marks for each section of the image sets. That way you don't take up over half the page of just images. I counted 3 total sections.

 

[elmicho]

"She's now 19 years old"
how old was she when the MC's wife died and then he cut off with his friend?

 

[Imnus]

Just for the sake of clarity and respect for the thread, I'd suggest that you add Spoiler Marks for each section of the image sets. That way you don't take up over half the page of just images. I counted 3 total sections.

You're right, it's fixed.

 

[Larry2000]

You're right, it's fixed.

No hay problema amigo

 

[caxhub]

this is an unofficial android port Meeting her [v1.4.1b] APK -

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[Deleted member 2744443]

TBH how we define what a virgin even is?

In my book if a girl is penetrated in any way, oral, vaginal or anally, be it a toy, a dildo or an actual penis she's no longer a virgin.

Keep in mind why a girl being a virgin is even a thing, it's about purity, it's about ensuring the girl is not promiscuous. So if a girl is sexually active, it doesn't even fucking matter if her hymen is intact.

The ironic part of all of this that men are hardwired to look out for purity because it helps ensuring paternity, but on top of that promiscuity in women leads them to anxiety and depression.

Sadly, most of them don't realize that until too late, so they party and sleep around in their early twenties, but when they start approaching 30 reality comes knocking and they start to go crazy.

Out on a limb, there are old school definitions yes, and the logic is mostly true. However. Play MC Hammer, can touch this here! I choose my battles, nothing for me to gain in that argument.

 

[BigDaddyDom]

Not a fan of Estafania, wish we could skip her content. Just waiting for the relationship with the daughter to progress, also wouldn't mind having hate sex with her redheaded roommate. Marcos really needs to be knocked out

 

[nn2017]

Good

 

[Kew Ball]

Would probably be a good game if I didn't have to deal with the 'best friend' that I would shoot just because. Hell it would be considered a public service in every state except California in the US, the UK and maybe Japan. If I had a friend like him in real life, I would push him out of a C-130 over Baghdad or Somalia with just a backup chute full of holes.