Unity Midnight Sin [v0.4.0 Extra] [Faerin]

[Cartageno]

Kinda saw this and my brain got triggered ,first is my right and any other person to like or dislike an engine and i can say why base on personal experience you can agree or disagree thats your right but simply saying you just don't like or like without saying any reason for it is just dumb, second lately i also saw a lot of people claiming i use X engine but is mine cuz i customize it witch in my opinion is wrong i also customize windows but it still dosent make it mine as im pretty sure (tho i might be wrong) the engines like unity or unreal they will take their fee (if you pass that threshold they set for income) they dont care how much modification you did on that engine in other words they own it not you ,but the ownership laws are pretty weird since i know songs for example that are old jazz and simply replay on a different tempo but at its core is just the same and the law permits it bah but what do i know im no expert q:0) just some words i spit here is your job to make sens of it

It's a public forum for everybody, not just for you.

If you have something to say and want others to get it, give it your best to make it understandable.

If you don't want others to understand it - don't post it in the first place.

If you don't care whether others understand - also don't post on a discussion forum. That's what personal homepages and social media are for.

 

[whichone]

Jesus fucking wept.
This is a new low, even for this site.

 

[whichone]

but the ownership laws are pretty weird since i know songs for example that are old jazz and simply replay on a different tempo but at its core is just the same and the law permits it

No, they don't.
Hip-hop changed music, with sampling.
People take a few bars from an old song, they have to pay royalties.
This started in the 80's.

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There are countless others.

Public Enemy did a tune about it in 1988, with Caught, Can We Get a Witness?

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Caught, now in court 'cos I stole a beat
This is a sampling sport
But I'm giving it a new name
What you hear is mine

Mail from the courts and jail
Claims I stole the beats that I rail
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Chuck D had a crystal ball, does anyone know of any lyrics that sum up the pop music market better than:

You singers are spineless
As you sing your senseless songs to the mindless
Your general subject love is minimal
It's sex for profit

 

[xapican]

Jesus fucking wept.
This is a new low, even for this site.

Do you have some of the whisky we drunk at the weekend left ?? Pour a big glass for me, (better I take the bottle)

What is this all about ?? sorry? and still I don't see why Unity engine is a bad thing? or why some people think it is bad?
specially if the dev has more expirience with this engine than with others, (which I don't really know, never asked Faerin that in the last 6 Years)

 

[whichone]

Do you have some of the whisky we drunk at the weekend left ?? Pour a big glass for me, (better I take the bottle)

What is this all about ?? sorry? and still I don't see why Unity engine is a bad thing? or why some people think it is bad?
specially if the dev has more expirience with this engine than with others, (which I don't really know, never asked Faerin that in the last 6 Years)

To be fair, he's not saying it's a bad thing.
He's questioning it being "Faerin's" engine, because it's still Unity, at its core.
Despite whatever changes Faerin has made, in building his framework with it.

The Public Enemy song is pretty much the same argument, in reverse.
Yes, we took some beats from an old song, but the song we made is still ours. Why should we pay them for its success?
Legal answer: If the song is copyrighted, then using any of it, even just 1 bar (4 beats), infringes on copyright.

The guy is taking the original artist's argument and applying it to this topic.

 

[xapican]

To be fair, he's not saying it's a bad thing.
He's questioning it being "Faerin's" engine, because it's still Unity, at its core.
Despite whatever changes Faerin has made, in building his framework with it.

The Public Enemy song is pretty much the same argument, in reverse.
Yes, we took some beats from an old song, but the song we made is still ours. Why should we pay them for its success?
Legal answer: If the song is copyrighted, then using any of it, even just 1 bar (4 beats), infringes on copyright.

The guy is taking the original artist's argument and applying it to this topic.

yes, since MotH he is doing this, the user was quite honest , (I asked him when he did that coment a good time before) there are even AVN they have Unity at his core and you see in the Start up screen Build with engine XYXZ from yzx and nobody cares.
I mean (and of course each his own opinion) I I travel with VW quick from A to B reach the meeting in time and enjoy the ride and With Toyota / Lexus as well all the rest is subjective.

 

[xapican]

Yeah, I prefer Big Mamna Thornton's original

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(enjoy!), to Elvis' version (he would've been forced to pay crazy sums, with today's copyright laws!), but that doesn't make it universally better.
It's just my opinion.

Wow didn't new that one Big Thank's I love Blues! and what for a voice !!!

 

[whichone]

Wow didn't new that one Big Thank's I love Blues! and what for a voice !!!

lol Pleasure mate.
Yeah, she's got one hell of a voice! It's immeasurably better, for my tastes.

 

[TheDevian]

On the topic of the copyright, a song (or whatever) goes into fair use after a certain amount of time (100 years or something after the artist dies), where they get away with it, is that even if the song it fair use, they can still have rights over the recording of the song. Those can be redone, over and over again, and held forever, since the ower can't die, as it is a company, they can't lose it as long as they exist. And even then, if they plan it right, they can sell it off before it is too late, and then it just transfers.

 

[whichone]

On the topic of the copyright, a song (or whatever) goes into fair use after a certain amount of time (100 years or something after the artist dies), where they get away with it, is that even if the song it fair use, they can still have rights over the recording of the song. Those can be redone, over and over again, and held forever, since the ower can't die, as it is a company, they can't lose it as long as they exist. And even then, if they plan it right, they can sell it off before it is too late, and then it just transfers.

Fair use also applies if you make a parody, or satire, of a copyright song.
e.g. 2 Live Crew's version of Roy Orbison's "Oh Pretty Woman".
I think that song set the legal precedent for it.

 

[TheDevian]

Fair use also applies if you make a parody, or satire, of a copyright song.
e.g. 2 Live Crew's version of Roy Orbison's "Oh Pretty Woman".
I think that song set the legal precedent for it.

Correct, you need to change enough that no reasonable person will think it is the same one, change the words, the music, etc. For example, Weird Al not only changes the words, but he also speeds up the music a bit to make it more 'fun'.

Sampling and parodies are not the same, but there is some overlap.

 

[whichone]

Correct, you need to change enough that no reasonable person will think it is the same one, change the words, the music, etc. For example, Weird Al not only changes the words, but he also speeds up the music a bit to make it more 'fun'.

Sampling and parodies are not the same, but there is some overlap.

100%
I still fucking laugh at Weird Al's "Eat It".

 

[Cartageno]

Oh, I love me some Weird Al. Though he is a bad example in that he actually asks for permission by the artists he parodies whether he needs to or not (which infamously led to a huge misunderstanding with Coolio about Gangsta's/Amish Paradise which was resolved before Coolio's death).

Obviously, once you have a name like he has, it gets considerably easier - after all, getting your song onto one of his albums also is a good advertisement. Only thing is you have to remember what your lyrics are and what his (Don McLean reported that he had troubles with American Pie after having listened to The Saga Begins a couple times too often, since his kids apparently dig it and played it a lot )

 

[87lollol]

No, it's your responsibility to make it clear what you're saying.

Also, by his logic the Call of Duty games are all Quake Engine games... They're not.
Just because something's derived from something does not mean it is still that thing.

If is "your responsibility to make it clear what you're saying" why do we use metaphors or why the poets are no clear i guess all can be interpretable , in my opinion words were never clear you just read them and think you found a clear answer and assume all who read it ends up to the same conclusion as you, ending up with a different answer than you give birth to debates .

 

[87lollol]

No, they don't.
Hip-hop changed music, with sampling.
People take a few bars from an old song, they have to pay royalties.
This started in the 80's.

Spoiler: Big Artists, Sued

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There are countless others.

Public Enemy did a tune about it in 1988, with Caught, Can We Get a Witness?

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Caught, now in court 'cos I stole a beat
This is a sampling sport
But I'm giving it a new name
What you hear is mine

Mail from the courts and jail
Claims I stole the beats that I rail
---

Chuck D had a crystal ball, does anyone know of any lyrics that sum up the pop music market better than:

You singers are spineless
As you sing your senseless songs to the mindless
Your general subject love is minimal
It's sex for profit

I understand what you say but there are songs that if you change their listening speed you end up with a different song that sound exacly like an old "jazz or wateva type of music" and gets me wonder how much did you modify that song if i can play it with a player and get to that result . Is just how many of us do that, how many takes a song and play it fast or slow you just play the song as it is. Is like i play Paganini real fast and start to say is my song at this point i feel you should cal it not "my song " but "how would paganini sound if you play like this" . Well "It's sex for profit" it was meant for perpetuation of a species ,and because sex can become addictive like any other drugs or alcohol and wot is addictive always makes money i feel we must admit we are weak minded creatures . Also nowdays most people make the mistake of confusing love with sex . And if sex wasn't for profit we wouldn't have porn or prostitutes .

 

[TheDevian]

Oh, I love me some Weird Al. Though he is a bad example in that he actually asks for permission by the artists he parodies whether he needs to or not (which infamously led to a huge misunderstanding with Coolio about Gangsta's/Amish Paradise which was resolved before Coolio's death).

Obviously, once you have a name like he has, it gets considerably easier - after all, getting your song onto one of his albums also is a good advertisement. Only thing is you have to remember what your lyrics are and what his (Don McLean reported that he had troubles with American Pie after having listened to The Saga Begins a couple times too often, since his kids apparently dig it and played it a lot )

While it is true that he gets permission, that is just to be nice (& not burn bridges), he is not legally required to do so.

For example, another song where he had the opposite problem as with Coolio, James Blunt approved a parody of his song You're Beautiful, whereas the record company did not. So, as a loophole, he put the song out for free, and did not include it on his album.

Either way, to use a song in a game like this, you would have to add/change enough of it to be legal, and usually that would require some skill and/or luck with the use of AI.

 

[S3pHiroTh]

Screen size problem: 1920x1080, the only resolution for windowed game, hide bottom icons and i don't like full screen.
I've a 2560x1080 monitor (21/9)
Suggestion on how to get different window size?

Can you share a screenshot about your problem? Because I can understand that your monitor is an ultra-wide from resolution and probably that's the problem with some bad coding in the game.
In my QHD monitor I see a lot of resolution if I want to play in window mode as you can see below



EDIT: As a workaround you can try this solution, let us know if works. Open the game once so it will generare some game files then close it. Go to the game path, then in saves folder, then edit the file settings.ini with notepad and change those values:
"Fullscreen": from true to false
"Resolution": from "2560 x 1440" to "what resolution you want, remember to use a standard one" also remember that is written width space x space height

 

[Cartageno]

If is "your responsibility to make it clear what you're saying" why do we use metaphors or why the poets are no clear i guess all can be interpretable , in my opinion words were never clear you just read them and think you found a clear answer and assume all who read it ends up to the same conclusion as you, ending up with a different answer than you give birth to debates .

(a) You are not a poet doing art, you are a forum user trying to convey information or an opinion or whatever.

(b) If you use metaphors to hide a meaning you're doing it wrong. A well used metaphor helps understand what you mean.

(c) The rules of when to communicate in what way change depending on where you are. This is a public forum for discussing Midnight Sin (or whatever else the individual thread is about), so ideally any post furthers that discussion - or starts a new subdiscussion or what have you. To achieve that, it needs to be understandable to the others.

 

[Cartageno]

James Blunt approved a parody of his song You're Beautiful, whereas the record company did not.

Yeah, that was pitiful (SCNR)

 

[detox]

Can you share a screenshot about your problem? Because I can understand that your monitor is an ultra-wide from resolution and probably that's the problem with some bad coding in the game.
In my QHD monitor I see a lot of resolution if I want to play in window mode as you can see below

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EDIT: As a workaround you can try this solution, let us know if works. Open the game once so it will generare some game files then close it. Go to the game path, then in saves folder, then edit the file settings.ini with notepad and change those values:
"Fullscreen": from true to false
"Resolution": from "2560 x 1440" to "what resolution you want, remember to use a standard one" also remember that is written width space x space height

Thanks! It worked.