Ren'Py Completed Milfy City [v1.0e] [ICSTOR]

[Bruce_Wayne18]

He's making allegations and accusations against the honesty of the dev, based on nothing more then his own assumptions. This crap needs to be put down hard.

So good criticism is ok and encouraged but bad criticism and dissenting opinions 'should be put down hard'?

 

[Bruce_Wayne18]

I don't know what post of yours was deleted, but I'd guess it was for violating rule #1 here: https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2019-02-04.5589/ .

Basically, don't put people down. Opinions are fine; attacking someone over them is not.



As far as we know, he doesn't read this thread. We do know at least 1 team member does (did?). As far as I know, he doesn't know who the hell I am, and doesn't give a shit what I think. Whatever!

I don't think I'm gullible, but even if I'm 100% wrong and he's lying, etc etc, I don't lose anything. So I choose to take his comments at face value.

What we do know:

1. He's said he's stopped working on the game temporarily
2. He said he would pause his Patreon in March, but didn't
3. He paused it in April and said he would keep it paused an extra month because he missed pausing it at the end of March (for the April 1 payments).

He may do what he said, or he may turn payments back on at the end of April. Either way, we'll know in 2 weeks if he isn't getting paid for May.

Who exactly did I put down? I have been nothing but respectful to the members here and all the time I am getting attacked and ganged up on by his fanboys for DARING to question the devs integrity and call out his bs. Some guy even said I flipped burgers for a living, and you want to shut me down? I am finding another site. This is ridiculous

 

[goobdoob]

Who exactly did I put down? I have been nothing but respectful to the members here and all the time I am getting attacked and ganged up on by his fanboys for DARING to question the devs integrity and call out his bs. Some guy even said I flipped burgers for a living, and you want to shut me down? I am finding another site. This is ridiculous

Hey, don't look at me, I'm not shutting you down! Like I said, I don't know what your post was.

BTW, your post:

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None of the definitions relate to 'mental state'.

is incorrect. Definition #1 of "burned out" says "1. Overworked or exhausted, especially to the point of no longer being able to maintain a particular level of performance or dedication. If you keep working nights and weekends, you're going to get burned out. She's probably burned out after studying all week."

"She's probably burned out after studying all week" -> mental exhaustion.

 

[401Grem]

So good criticism is ok and encouraged but bad criticism and dissenting opinions 'should be put down hard'?

It isn't critisim, it's just unsupported allegations based on only your opinion.

 

[Bruce_Wayne18]

Hey, don't look at me, I'm not shutting you down! Like I said, I don't know what your post was.

BTW, your post:



is incorrect. Definition #1 of "burned out" says "1. Overworked or exhausted, especially to the point of no longer being able to maintain a particular level of performance or dedication. If you keep working nights and weekends, you're going to get burned out. She's probably burned out after studying all week."

"She's probably burned out after studying all week" -> mental exhaustion.

Yeah, you were one of the kindest ones, I wasn't talking about you. Just the guy who wants to silence all dissenting opinions (you know who you are!)

Still, 'to the point of no longer being able to maintain a particular level of performance or dedication' is not the same as mental exhaustion. Otherwise, it would have clearly said mental exhaustion.

 

[Bruce_Wayne18]

It isn't critisim, it's just unsupported allegations based on only your opinion.

So what makes your opinion a 'fact' and mine not? Why is your opinion worth keeping and mine needs to be 'shut down'?

 

[Q Who]

I have follow him since the start of his devs days and he never did take vacation simply because the updates always did come

My God man, You know about him personally because you have followed him online? That is the same as me saying I know about what Shatner does daily because I am a fan of Star Trek. You know jack squat about him in reality. You don't know anything personally period. Fanboy on him all you want but unless you have been to his house and broke bread with him, you know as much about him as I can find out in minutes.

I support 3 games and have followed one developer for 2 years. He too posted about being burned out(he said he had a real job) but in reality, I have no idea if he is lying or not. You know, because he is a stranger who posts online.

 

[Q Who]

you are saying im assuming this when you are the one assuming he is lying

Maybe you can quote where I said he was lying? Not taking his statement at face value as true, is not at all the same thing as saying he has lied. You have assumed he is telling the truth, what makes that assumption factually valid? "Just the facts mam" No "he said", she said please.

 

[401Grem]

So what makes your opinion a 'fact' and mine not? Why is your opinion worth keeping and mine needs to be 'shut down'?

My statement was based upon your accusation that you think the dev is lying, which is factual evidence, now it's up to you, to support your alligations, with factual evidence, and not just your opinion. What factual evidence are you basing your accusation upon?

 

[Count_Chocula]

At first when I saw this project was tagged [onhold], I was super disappointed and thought it was going to meet an early demise like most others. But seriously, props to ICSTOR for maintaining communication with his fans and letting us know he's still gonna be working hard once he sorts out his personal issues. What a based dev.

 

[Bruce_Wayne18]

My statement was based upon your accusation that you think the dev is lying, which is factual evidence, now it's up to you, to support your alligations, with factual evidence, and not just your opinion. What factual evidence are you basing your accusation upon?

What factual evidence do you have to support he's telling the truth?! You don't know the guy personally! He's some unknown guy on the internet that *could* be lying! How can you not understand that your opinion is as valid as mine? Opinions are just that! So I'll ask again: Why do you want to shut down my opinion yet you want yours to stand? I respect your opinion that you accept he's telling the truth, why can you not accept mine?

 

[401Grem]

What factual evidence do you have to support he's telling the truth?! You don't know the guy personally! He's some unknown guy on the internet that *could* be lying! How can you not understand that your opinion is as valid as mine? Opinions are just that! So I'll ask again: Why do you want to shut down my opinion yet you want yours to stand? I respect your opinion that you accept he's telling the truth, why can you not accept mine?

I made no claim regarding the dev, you did, and you admit your accusation is only your opinion.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

My God man, You know about him personally because you have followed him online? That is the same as me saying I know about what Shatner does daily because I am a fan of Star Trek. You know jack squat about him in reality. You don't know anything personally period. Fanboy on him all you want but unless you have been to his house and broke bread with him, you know as much about him as I can find out in minutes.

I support 3 games and have followed one developer for 2 years. He too posted about being burned out(he said he had a real job) but in reality, I have no idea if he is lying or not. You know, because he is a stranger who posts online.

Maybe you can quote where I said he was lying? Not taking his statement at face value as true, is not at all the same thing as saying he has lied. You have assumed he is telling the truth, what makes that assumption factually valid? "Just the facts mam" No "he said", she said please.

i dont know him personally, what i mean is that i have follow him since he started and he never took a vacation because he did continue to deliver updates, previews and week posts etc, so read more carefully before trying to distort my answer

if saying that you trust others who believe he is lying is not the same as saying he is , be my humble guest.
And the only lying here is you because he did not stop patreon only for 1 month, it will be may and june, the updated that we who supports him will get that update, simply because we paid already beforehand. So stop bullshit if u dont know what you are talking about.

I have not followed the developer, but I have read many posts questioning his truthfulness. I don't find his post, the developer, to be horrible. I thought it was nicely written, but I will say that if he only suspends his P for one month, then it becomes a little hollow

now this is my last post, is pointless to debate when you dont even follow him and dont know what you are talking about

 

[bas]

lol, I deleted a bunch of messages with people calling each other burger flippers and said in the notification "Let's not get personal, please" and that = authoritarian, eh? smh

Either way, everyone has made their points and now the posts are just an argument. Please drop it now.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Here's how we know he hasn't taken a vacation in 4 years:

"Hi everyone, it’s about damn time I gave you all an update. I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been having a few problems in my personal life which have taken a toll on my health. It’s now been more than FOUR full years that I’ve been developing adult games without taking a vacation. (Not even once!)"

Unless you think he's lying.

Here's what I know - he said:
"I’m completely broken and exhausted, so I need a break to recover. I’ll be taking a month or two away from developing to get my health back on track."

and

"I pushed myself too hard."

and

"This should help me avoid getting burned out again."

I choose to take his statements at face value. So, we get that he's burned out, and at the end of his rope. He feels he needs a break, so he's taking one. He's paused his Patreon. He took too long to pause it for April, so he said he's going to keep it paused for the month he comes back to work.

You can believe him or not, that's your choice. But really, arguing about it here does nothing. We should stop before the mods slap us down.

All quotes are from the "News about v0.6" spoiler in the OP.

As a developer with MDots and a fan of ICSTOR - I know what a grind development can be ... it is also repetitious and done primarily in a solo work environment. Both have been cranking out product for years and I wholly support consistent vacations (and a least a 1 month full one) each year.

Sorry, I missed the mod post above.

Btw, isn’t it great we are getting cutting edge developement from at least 4 different artists?. The top developers just keep bringing better and better product.

 

[Deleted User #713463]

Anyone know when new release ?

 

[Demonius]

Anyone know when new release ?

read the OP

 

[Deleted User #713463]

read the OP

On hold that a shame its good game

 

[jtlalor]

sex in this yet or just teasing?

 

[Q Who]

sex in this yet or just teasing?

Yes, plenty of sex so far.