Ren'Py Completed Milfy City [v1.0e] [ICSTOR]

[RomanHume]

He makes enough that this is his full time job that he doesn't put full time hours to. If you paid someone to do a job and they weren't putting in more than an hour or 2 a day, would you be okay with their performance? What about if they kept pushing the deadline back? If this were contract work, he would be fired and sued. Conjecture on how much he makes is what I am doing, but even if he is only making $1 for each patron, which we know isn't true, that's still full time pay for a job he isn't putting full time to.

And from what others have said in this very thread, he has stated he will be working less on the game, for his health. Give him more money I guess.

Less than what?. For all I know he was working 80 hours on the game and less means 45 hours. Unless you can quote him regarding how much time he's actually spending on this project each week, you have no basis to assume it's less than 40. That's my point.

But you're completely disregarding every other point I made previously and are intent on belaboring what you think is a valid argument. So I'm going to get off at this stop. And to be honest, all this conversation has done is make me want to increase my pledge and then ask him to take a whole year off just to piss you off.

 

[DiddlerGames]

Please show clipping and objects floating, and colors changing.

Why does he need to make his models from scratch? They're based on store assets, but highly customized. Just look at the problems people had on the fan art thread trying to get the girls right.

But really, the big problem with your statements - "Why use an extremely limited engine like Ren'Py instead of unity or something with more customization."

That just shows your ignorance. Ren'Py is based on Python. You can do just about anything with it - with the possible exception of a real time 3d game. Not to mention the Midnight Paradise Unity debacle - MP was Unity, it sucked, and LewdLab switched it to Ren'Py. Much better now. Contrary to what you seem to be saying, Unity is not automatically better than Ren'Py. And if you don't think you can make something besides a linear VN with Ren'Py, check out Sakura Dungeon. It's a traditional dungeon crawler, with quests, exploration, fighting and items - written 100% in Ren'Py.

Trust me - I'm a "coder"!

Unity is an engine with great range. The only limit is peoples skills. The Forest is made on Unity and it both runs and looks great. Timestamps is run on Unity. Man of the house is on Unity. Ren'Py is an easy engine. it's simple and straight forward with a low bar to use to make products. Same with RPG maker. engines with simple structures and systems to make simple games. If the engine is so good, why does every game look so similar? Why is there such a low bar of customization? Maybe they don't want to use Unity because they need to give the engine makers a cut and they want maximum profits. Maybe they should try game maker given that allows for much more customization and would be able to make a more unique game. Like Hotline Miami which was made on game maker. I actually am a coder. So this isn't conjecture. I've used several of these engines and at my current skill level, I like Game Maker.

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Stop defending someone who wouldn't care if you existed or not. Hold them in accountable, especially if you pay them.

 

[DiddlerGames]

Less than what?. For all I know he was working 80 hours on the game and less means 45 hours. Unless you can quote him regarding how much time he's actually spending on this project each week, you have no basis to assume it's less than 40. That's my point.

But you're completely disregarding every other point I made previously and are intent on belaboring what you think is a valid argument. So I'm going to get off at this stop. And to be honest, all this conversation has done is make me want to increase my pledge and then ask him to take a whole year off just to piss you off.

It's your money, throw it away all you want. I'm just being critical of the producer and his product. You aren't. You are giving him money to give you a product, and then smiling when he says "Delayed another month". Actual devs have received death threats for less. If you're comfortable with the person you are giving money to ignoring you, taking extra time off, and saying he will work less when he gets back, go ahead and give him more. But be critical of the product you are receiving. Don't just accept it because it's "Good enough".

 

[Agent HK47]

So when HBO makes a series out of Milfy City, who's playing Linda?
(And for god's sake no one say Angeline Jolie. I can't stand looking at her.)

Screw AJ, I want Kate Backinsale as Linda. Watch underworld and tell me you don't want to see that. I know that Kate doesn't have the same "assets" on the front as Linda, but I am willing to take that loss.

 

[401Grem]

It's your money, throw it away all you want. I'm just being critical of the producer and his product. You aren't. You are giving him money to give you a product, and then smiling when he says "Delayed another month". Actual devs have received death threats for less. If you're comfortable with the person you are giving money to ignoring you, taking extra time off, and saying he will work less when he gets back, go ahead and give him more. But be critical of the product you are receiving. Don't just accept it because it's "Good enough".

Take it elsewhere, criticizing the work habits of developers has no place here, since it's nobodies business.

 

[DiddlerGames]

Take it elsewhere, criticizing the work habits of developers has no place here, since it's nobodies business.

Isn't that exactly what people do when they talk trash about the devs? And there is a lot of trash talk to devs here. Some of it deservedly so.

 

[Arthoneceron]

At least one thing we all can agree: No one asked ICSTOR to add the neighbours

 

[Hones]

Isn't that exactly what people do when they talk trash about the devs? And there is a lot of trash talk to devs here. Some of it deservedly so.

You could create a seperate thread in General Discussions and bash ICSTOR or whoever else as much as you want there, then you would have you own dedicated thread to criticizing his choice of engine, render quility, release schedule, etc.

 

[RomanHume]

Stop defending someone who wouldn't care if you existed or not. Hold them in accountable, especially if you pay them.

Maybe stop griping in a forum where no one cares about your opinion? Go talk to a wall or show the counselor on the teddy bear where Icstor touched you.

(You want to know where he touched me....... my heart.)

 

[RomanHume]

Screw AJ, I want Kate Backinsale as Linda. Watch underworld and tell me you don't want to see that. I know that Kate doesn't have the same "assets" on the front as Linda, but I am willing to take that loss.

Now that's a solid choice. And honestly I think the CGI is so good these days we could enhance her if need be. I like the way you think!

 

[RomanHume]

It's your money, throw it away all you want. I'm just being critical of the producer and his product. You aren't. You are giving him money to give you a product, and then smiling when he says "Delayed another month". Actual devs have received death threats for less. If you're comfortable with the person you are giving money to ignoring you, taking extra time off, and saying he will work less when he gets back, go ahead and give him more. But be critical of the product you are receiving. Don't just accept it because it's "Good enough".

I have a rule in life not to take financial advice from someone whose moniker sounds like a Batman villain that cruises around grade schools in an ice cream truck.

"Holy pubescent butthole Batman! The Diddler has escaped from Arkham!" -A very worried Robin.

 

[北方玄武]

Gosh everywhere drama kings....

Is this really necessary?!
Can this shit stop finally?

 

[sarge87]

Gosh everywhere drama kings....

Is this really necessary?!
Can this shit stop finally?

As long as ICSTOR is as big as he is now, it will never stop.

Success breeds haters, it's how the world is. When you're raking in a comfortable six figures per year like ICSTOR - an unfathomable amount of money depending on your location - you will draw hordes of envious people and if they don't see some tangible results they will get their pitchforks and revert to vile accusations. Think of LeBron: if he wins a ring at the end of the season, he's a god and if he doesn't, he's shit. No in-between. Overly harsh criticism and hate are the price you pay when you're an overachiever, they won't spew that much vitriol at you when you're just average. And let's be honest here, ICSTOR is a top-tier developer with a proven track record and superior output. Sure we're currently in a dry spell since the Xmas episode and maybe he could handle the communication with his patrons a bit differently and be more open about it, but cut him some slack, it's not Gumdrop we're talking about.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Plus the supposed anonymity of the internet gives even more leeway to people like diddler who likes to act like spoiled brats without fear of being called out on their bullshit.

 

[Q Who]

For all I know he was working 80 hours on the game and less means 45 hours.

LOL good one.

 

[北方玄武]

Fair enough

 

[goobdoob]

Unity is an engine with great range. The only limit is peoples skills. The Forest is made on Unity and it both runs and looks great. Timestamps is run on Unity. Man of the house is on Unity. Ren'Py is an easy engine. it's simple and straight forward with a low bar to use to make products. Same with RPG maker. engines with simple structures and systems to make simple games. If the engine is so good, why does every game look so similar? Why is there such a low bar of customization? Maybe they don't want to use Unity because they need to give the engine makers a cut and they want maximum profits. Maybe they should try game maker given that allows for much more customization and would be able to make a more unique game. Like Hotline Miami which was made on game maker. I actually am a coder. So this isn't conjecture. I've used several of these engines and at my current skill level, I like Game Maker.

"Every game" is a VN. For VNs (kinetic, choice-based or sandbox), Ren'Py is superior, IMO. "Every game" looks the same because they're doing the same thing. The default UI in Ren'Py is good enough; why reinvent the wheel?

Unity is a fine engine. You can do a lot of cool stuff with it. But even the best Unity VN engine (VNGINE, from Timestamps) isn't as good as Ren'Py. I think Timestamps and MotH are great, but IMO both would be better if they were written in Ren'Py. They aren't doing anything that requires Unity.

Your statement "engines with simple structures and systems to make simple games" - are you saying that Timestamps is more complex than Milfy City? What, in Milfy City, would be better if it was in Unity? What, in Timestamps, couldn't be done in Ren'Py?

Unity is harder to customize than Ren'Py. Writing C# vs Python. Just look at Midnight Paradise for an example. Total shit show in Unity, but regaining respect now that it's in Ren'Py.

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I grant you the hand, but the calves, I'm not sure (could be clipped, but it looks a lot like thighs and calves squishing together). The clothing isn't clipped, it's ripped. It's supposed to look like that.

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Are you talking about her bush? There's been speculation on that in this thread. Maybe she sometimes dyes it. Or maybe he changed his mind on the color, and didn't go back to re-render the incorrect image. They're bonus images anyway, so it's not like they're canon.

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Looks like it's on her finger to me.

Sometimes rings are loose:

Stop defending someone who wouldn't care if you existed or not. Hold them in accountable, especially if you pay them.

Not really sure why:

1. You feel the need to boss me around, and
2. You feel the need to attack "someone who wouldn't care if you existed or not."

 

[vxdr]

Lmfao @ this thread

 

[LeopoldWilliamReynolds]

The last time a game thread I've been in was even comparably bad was during some of the more tease-y bits of Dating my Daughter, pre-blowjob. Nothing I've seen truly this much of a shitshow, not even Teachers Pets before it became officially abandoned. Some people just can't hang...

 

[fried]

Not really sure why:

1. You feel the need to boss me around, and
2. You feel the need to attack "someone who wouldn't care if you existed or not."

I believe we have more than one instance of a "troll professionale" in this topic, so it's not personal so much as purposeful.