cimibibapa2

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Please, make me leave :) Oh, I forgot. You are behind a PC, like every single one of us. Censorship ? What does censorship got to do with whinning and dev-bashing ? 90% of the people complaining are not even pledgers. hahahaha
You are laughing ?
wtf you are the one who don't know what the difference is between censorship & privacy.
Buahahahah

Fun fact Countrys with high censorship are against privacy.
People in such countrys are transparent for the government.
Communist China is the best example !
 

Onyxdime

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Jul 26, 2017
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I'm not going to bust your balls here, but this is one of those points that I think people (on both sides of this argument) keep missing amidst all the vitriol and such.

If you're a project leader and the various components of your team are stuck behind bottlenecks because they don't have the materials they need to work with (like, say, the storyboard people didn't get their stuff done on time so now the artists can't do their thing and the writers can't do theirs) then that's bad project management.

And someone can be bad at managing the flow of a project - someone can be bad at ensuring that disparate elements of a team work together effectively and efficiently - independent of whatever other skills/talents they may have.

People defend ICSTOR by saying he produces pretty images. Or they like the characters he's come up with or this or that. Ok. That's fair. But I think it's just as fair to say that he doesn't do a particularly good job of coordinating the people he has working with/for him.

I know everyone rolls their eyes at the concept of "managers." People detest their supervisors because they always seem to be "out of touch" with what the common working man has to deal with. Or, say, you hear a story about a movie being made and there's just so much corporate interference. Damn those suits for not letting the director do what he wants with his movie? Curse them for telling the guys in the writing room on a TV show that they can't do X or Y or Z. But the simple fact of the matter is that 9 times out of 10, without those guys, you could have the most talented writer, the most talented actors, the most talented director, all collaborating on a project, and you'd still get squat without someone to "produce" it. (Hence why the producer role in film/TV is such a big deal.) It's their job to keep everyone on task, keep everyone actively working, and give them the tools they need to continue working.

In addition to being the primary creator behind the dialogue/story and art, ICSTOR's role is to make sure everyone is working together, that no part of the production process is getting bottlenecked. And he's not doing the best job of that. This is not to say that he's a terrible human being and that this "crime" is punishable by death. Of course not. But it also does no one any good to refuse to acknowledge that something in the "assembly line" isn't quite up to snuff. And it bugs me that there are people (myself among them) who are trying to point this out until we're blue in the face, and the overweening response to such sentiment is a dismissive "You can't do better, so shush."
I see exactly where you're coming from.

However, ICSTOR has released multiple complete games now. While there are certainly some improvements that could be made to administration, I think the only material difference between now and 12 months ago is ICSTOR's health.

Prior to this releases were steady and mostly on time.

And, unfortunately, the best administration in the world isn't going to keep a project running when your gaffer and key figure to the entire project is too ill to work.
 

401Grem

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May 14, 2017
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Why the hell is everyone keep saying that "you are not a pledger, so shut up". Does that makes you see through develper's eyes?
It is like saying that you didn't go to movie hall and buy the ticket hence you don't have a right to criticize the makers.
Criticizing the dev, over something that never involved you, makes you look petty and childish.
 

Hones

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Aug 10, 2018
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Can you at least tell us if the game will be out this month?

Holy shit this is ridiculous.
He already said that he can't in a reply to you, all he can say is how long it will take for him to finish the writing which as he said should be done within the week.
Honestly, I'd be pulling a figure out of my arse if I tried to give you a release date. I can't give timescales for other members of the team to complete their parts.

With respect to my slice of the development pie; I'll probably have the entirety of the writing accomplished within the week. That's the best I can offer you, I'm afraid.
He can't give any dates as to when others will finish their parts of the update so if he did make some random guess for you and was wrong how would that go?
 

fried

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Nov 11, 2017
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And, unfortunately, the best administration in the world isn't going to keep a project running when your gaffer and key figure to the entire project is too ill to work.
Your posts are extremely unambiguous, appropriately contextual and to the point. It's a testament to at least a subset of your writing skills, perhaps :)

Unfortunately, your clear statement above has been offered in various forms over a number of months, but haters gonna hate on a pirate forum. So, while I - for one - appreciate hearing more of your in-team perspectives, they will also be unfortunately twisted towards conspiratorial heights or otherwise ignored due to inconvenience by a number of noisy types at this venue, IMHO.

The Patrons matter most when it comes to supporting the team's work; still, while anyone in a pirate forum can theoretically have an opinion to offer, the relative values of those opinions become more evident when zany conspiracies are propped up as having equal probabilities to reported facts.
 
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Elinan

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Jul 28, 2018
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Please, make me leave :) Oh, I forgot. You are behind a PC, like every single one of us. Censorship ? What does censorship got to do with whinning and dev-bashing ? 90% of the people complaining are not even pledgers. hahahaha
But why lock a thread because you don't like the replies in the thread? I'm not trying to make you leave, just saying you have that option if you don't like it. No need to overreact and start flaming.
 

Elinan

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Jul 28, 2018
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Here is the thing, this thread is about discussing the game etc etc. And most sensible people are here for that.

It is not about censoring at all. It is about being on topic.

Why don’t we do this, make a new thread titled something along the lines of - If you have any issues or complaints about the game post here.
True, but locking the thread is the wrong way to go imo.
 
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strenif

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When the mob gets to a certain point where it's just a massive flame war, locking the thread is really all that's left to do.
 

RC-1138 Boss

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Instead of keep posting about it just report to the mods the post you people believe are breaking the rules. If they are indeed, then the moderation team will deal with it.
 

bormos3

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just look at icstor very basic level of writing ( it's not the worse but let's be honest there is no story everything is a pretext for porn scene ) , and no attention to details at all like with all the empty characters in the game
That is indeed true. The only things making this game worth anyone's while are decent looking characters, animations and the fact that there are no truly annoying minigames, as there is no story in it.
 
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A friendly advice, always expect the worst scenario. That won’t let you be disappointed about anything in this game and in life in general. ;)
 

sandstorm1872

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Criticizing the dev, over something that never involved you, makes you look petty and childish.
And what does asking your Discord members to pay 10 bucks for the latest release or kick them out for mentioning F95 make you? Heck, even his Discord admins mention that if ICSTOR replies to you, consider yourself lucky. The last time I heard that phrase was at my first job at a software company about our BDM.

IMO, all of this makes him look like a d**k. I said it repeatedly, great artist but not so considerate with fans. Whereas many other great Devs connect with their fans on F95 and hey, the world hasn't ended.
 

fffffffffffk

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And what does asking your Discord members to pay 10 bucks for the latest release or kick them out for mentioning F95 make you? Heck, even his Discord admins mention that if ICSTOR replies to you, consider yourself lucky. The last time I heard that phrase was at my first job at a software company about our BDM.

IMO, all of this makes him look like a d**k. I said it repeatedly, great artist but not so considerate with fans. Whereas many other great Devs connect with their fans on F95 and hey, the world hasn't ended.
So you want the update, but you also want the dev to waste his entire day talking to people in chat? And then you want to discuss stealing a dev's product in his own chat channel? :unsure:
 

mazqaz

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for every day which passes this thread takes 4 more pages with comments. I guess it will reach to 2000 page when the 0.6 will be posted :eek:megalul:
I can already hear the endless SAVES? WALKTHROUGH? HOW SEX? comments it makes it easier to use the ignore button though
 

DiddlerGames

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ICSTOR is a top earner on Patreon, but, again, he's published 7 games in 4 years, all of which have had very good to excellent graphics,
Okay, I won't deny he has some nice assets, but, the scenes vs the scene to scene sections are basic RPGM. Just saying, excellent scenes lol.
He will, but a version where Bob is the only one you can fuck (but hey, on the bright side he will have wigs resembling other characters hair!)
Finally.
Then he took an arrow to the knee and is recovering.
Apparently that is an old Nordic saying for getting married.
DO NOT WORRY, AT LEAST THIS MONTH IT WILLL BE RELEASED.

AND WE KNOW, IT WILL BE NICE.


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trynd

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He added the neighbors in this update to make up for break he took, which caused a delay as he isn't done with them yet. The stuff that was originally supposed to be in this update (Caroline/Celia) is complete.

Its actually kind of ironic. Took a break -> people got mad -> added extra stuff to this update (neighbors) to make up for it -> extra stuff causes a delay -> people get mad again.

and that is the cycle of life.
I mean, why not just add content for the actual characters and story? So he can finish this game faster and move on since he's so clearly burnout on this.
 

trynd

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Ah yes, that game, with its amazing high-quality renders superior to everything else out there, yet somehow the author easily pushes out thousands of them in each monthly update. How is this level of perfection achievable by mortal man!?

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this is a joke right? Or you're actually mocking this games renders based off the male character renders? the ones no one cares about? pretty sure you're joking cause no one could be that dumb but just making sure :unsure:
 
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