Vordertur

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This is why patreon isn't a storefront. i don't disagree. I'm scared to pledge money on crowdfunding projects because I'm not exactly rich. So I don't. And then I feel a bit bad when the game turns out actually awesome.

Point being. While I agree with you, I think it's kinda dumb to expect "professionalism" in that way.
I'm glad someone at least gets what I'm trying to say here.

This whole model is like gambling. Going to a casino, throwing down money and... well, if you win, you win. If you don't... then you should have gone into the whole thing expecting to not win.

That's just it, though. I don't dispute that people who patronize (And I mean that in the sense of "actually being a patron" and not "being condescending") should only donate as much money as they're willing to lose. But I guess, where we differ is that it's kind of a ridiculous model for supporting the actual production of things. And people keep insisting "Well, that's not what it's for."

Thing is, I agree with that, too. That isn't what it's for. But that's how it's being used. It's being used as, essentially, a primary income stream. A revenue stream intended to replace, say, a full-time job. And yet folks want to insist that there should be a double standard. Or, perhaps, more accurately, that there should be no standards. That if you are relying on people's donations to survive, you should be exempt from having to follow, essentially, the same "rules" that the rest of the world does. In any other job, you don't get paid if you don't produce. And we can go round and round on how this is essentially a self-defeating system. But it's still the system we currently have. We don't live in Star Trek's United Federation of Planets where basic survival needs are fully met by the social structure and there's no need to worry about where your next meal is coming from or whether you'll have a roof over your head next week. And because those are no longer concerns, you can devote all your energies to uplifting the rest of humanity via art/culture/science/whatever.

We don't have that. Be nice if we did, but we don't.

That being the case, yeah, I'm sorry, but I feel I should hold people accountable the same way I would if I were giving them money to... I don't know, wash my car. Or renovate my house. Or set my broken arm.

The crux of it is that I think there's a line to be drawn somewhere. Hell if I know where, but there has to be some kind of middle ground between the people who are saying "I gave you a dollar at some point in the past, that means I know hold ownership of your immortal soul and you will produce pr0n for me until I say otherwise" and "Expect nothing from these people you give money to, you should be honored that they're even taking your filthy cash." Like, I know I'm strawmanning a little, but I feel like the number of people who don't even want to admit there's middle ground here vastly outnumber those who think that there should be at least a modicum of "professional responsibility" (whatever that entails.)
 

TomberryDude

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I'm glad someone at least gets what I'm trying to say here.

This whole model is like gambling. Going to a casino, throwing down money and... well, if you win, you win. If you don't... then you should have gone into the whole thing expecting to not win.

That's just it, though. I don't dispute that people who patronize (And I mean that in the sense of "actually being a patron" and not "being condescending") should only donate as much money as they're willing to lose. But I guess, where we differ is that it's kind of a ridiculous model for supporting the actual production of things. And people keep insisting "Well, that's not what it's for."

Thing is, I agree with that, too. That isn't what it's for. But that's how it's being used. It's being used as, essentially, a primary income stream. A revenue stream intended to replace, say, a full-time job. And yet folks want to insist that there should be a double standard. Or, perhaps, more accurately, that there should be no standards. That if you are relying on people's donations to survive, you should be exempt from having to follow, essentially, the same "rules" that the rest of the world does. In any other job, you don't get paid if you don't produce. And we can go round and round on how this is essentially a self-defeating system. But it's still the system we currently have. We don't live in Star Trek's United Federation of Planets where basic survival needs are fully met by the social structure and there's no need to worry about where your next meal is coming from or whether you'll have a roof over your head next week. And because those are no longer concerns, you can devote all your energies to uplifting the rest of humanity via art/culture/science/whatever.

We don't have that. Be nice if we did, but we don't.

That being the case, yeah, I'm sorry, but I feel I should hold people accountable the same way I would if I were giving them money to... I don't know, wash my car. Or renovate my house. Or set my broken arm.

The crux of it is that I think there's a line to be drawn somewhere. Hell if I know where, but there has to be some kind of middle ground between the people who are saying "I gave you a dollar at some point in the past, that means I know hold ownership of your immortal soul and you will produce pr0n for me until I say otherwise" and "Expect nothing from these people you give money to, you should be honored that they're even taking your filthy cash." Like, I know I'm strawmanning a little, but I feel like the number of people who don't even want to admit there's middle ground here vastly outnumber those who think that there should be at least a modicum of "professional responsibility" (whatever that entails.)
Someone I have a lot of respect for used to say you should only consider pledging on crowdfunding platforms if you have disposable income.

It's not an investment. You have no garantee you'll see return on that money in anyway, it could be gone forever and there's not much you can do in most cases. Maybe it is a fair point that it's a bad system or that it shouldn't work that way. But it does.
 

Aristos

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I'm glad someone at least gets what I'm trying to say here.

This whole model is like gambling. Going to a casino, throwing down money and... well, if you win, you win. If you don't... then you should have gone into the whole thing expecting to not win.

That's just it, though. I don't dispute that people who patronize (And I mean that in the sense of "actually being a patron" and not "being condescending") should only donate as much money as they're willing to lose. But I guess, where we differ is that it's kind of a ridiculous model for supporting the actual production of things. And people keep insisting "Well, that's not what it's for."

Thing is, I agree with that, too. That isn't what it's for. But that's how it's being used. It's being used as, essentially, a primary income stream. A revenue stream intended to replace, say, a full-time job. And yet folks want to insist that there should be a double standard. Or, perhaps, more accurately, that there should be no standards. That if you are relying on people's donations to survive, you should be exempt from having to follow, essentially, the same "rules" that the rest of the world does. In any other job, you don't get paid if you don't produce. And we can go round and round on how this is essentially a self-defeating system. But it's still the system we currently have. We don't live in Star Trek's United Federation of Planets where basic survival needs are fully met by the social structure and there's no need to worry about where your next meal is coming from or whether you'll have a roof over your head next week. And because those are no longer concerns, you can devote all your energies to uplifting the rest of humanity via art/culture/science/whatever.

We don't have that. Be nice if we did, but we don't.

That being the case, yeah, I'm sorry, but I feel I should hold people accountable the same way I would if I were giving them money to... I don't know, wash my car. Or renovate my house. Or set my broken arm.

The crux of it is that I think there's a line to be drawn somewhere. Hell if I know where, but there has to be some kind of middle ground between the people who are saying "I gave you a dollar at some point in the past, that means I know hold ownership of your immortal soul and you will produce pr0n for me until I say otherwise" and "Expect nothing from these people you give money to, you should be honored that they're even taking your filthy cash." Like, I know I'm strawmanning a little, but I feel like the number of people who don't even want to admit there's middle ground here vastly outnumber those who think that there should be at least a modicum of "professional responsibility" (whatever that entails.)
I agree with your post but it was way too long. Let me summarize it for you:

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DiddlerGames

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So I was able to get on the v0.6 beta, here are some of the changes;

Once you finish the story up to v0.5 (after you almost get caught), there is a 3 months time skip with an explanation of what happened. Your mom, after almost getting caught, realizes that you would all lose everything and cuts you off from sex. Caroline enters a lesbian relationship with that other girl from the clothing store. Your other sister gets a boyfriend from school, and she tells him about what you guys did, and he starts bullying you.

There's quite a few sex scene, but the MC isn't part of any, you walk on Caroline, her GF and some black guy having a threesome in the cloth store. You may spy on them if you want to get more scenes. Several scenes of getting bullied, and during the afternoon, there is a chance upon trying to enter your sister's room to encounter the bully forcing himself on her. If you intervene you get your ass kicked and he fucks her, or you can just observe. Kinda annoying that you can't just step out of it. As for Linda, you can spy on her in the shower and there is only one (poor) scene where she fucks your dad in the bedroom at night.
And the 2000 renders are just variations of MC crying.
 

TomberryDude

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"I can't stand my mom fucking my dad D':"
You know if this game was realistic to who I am and my life. Caronline would have ripped off my scrotum, Sarah would havea restraining order on me, my mom couldn't look me in the eyes and everyone else in the fucking wolrd would laugh at me and throw rotten vegetables at my face.

Which wouldn't be too far off from my actual life but that's beside the point.
 
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JBB1986

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Well, i will have my mega free 5gigs ready for Milfy City like for other games that i like.

I doubt any game will ever break the record of this one russian game in unity that had like 15 gb's or more.
On that note, pretty sure Ecchi Sensei Week One was like 16Gb or something crazy like that?
 

DiddlerGames

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You know if this game was realistic to who I am and my life. Caronline would have ripped off my scrotum, Sarah would havea restraining order on me, my mom couldn't look me in the eyes and everyone else in the fucking wolrd would laugh at me and throw rotten vegetables at my face.

Which wouldn't be too far off from my actual life but that's beside the point.
If the game were realistic the MC would be Jail. Or murdered.
 

Q Who

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Isn’t she suposed to be a game that it “ should not be spoken here “ :LOL:
It made me think of Blackadder and "the Scottish play" episode.

Here is a funny clip featuring Mr. Bean and "House" at the end.

 
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