MurkyTurtle

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I fail to understand why so many of you want it so bad that the thread is marked as abandoned. What difference does it make? This is a pirate site and the vast majority are not here to find new devs they'd like to support
Besides, this thread has been negative towards ICSTOR and the game for the whole of 2020, if this makes you interested in supporting ICSTOR then yeahhh ...
People think it'll be punitive somehow, as though tagging the game as "abandoned" will lead to an immediate mass exodus of patrons and money from the dev. This in turn will somehow lead to increased development speed and thus more free faps for them.

It's paradoxical, really, because the same crowd will often crow that because a dev gets more money on Patreon then it should also lead to faster development times. Basically there's no monetary situation under which a dev is allowed to work slower :rolleyes:
 

EclipseTheStars

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Does anyone know the reason why the dev is not posting anything on patreon since May 23 2020...i seriously hope this game is still going...i love this game

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short story, this dude been making excuses for the game for 3 years, 1.) health 2.) gf left him after finding out about his porn business 3.) family - - - EVERYONE knows he is full of shit, especially when reason 4) i want to make a new game / / came along - - he only posts on his private discord to his master cucks now, to preserve reputation, i'd assume
 
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Harsh 007

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short story, this dude been making excuses for the game for 3 years, 1.) health 2.) gf left him after finding out about his porn business 3.) family - - - EVERYONE knows he is full of shit, especially when reason 4) i want to make a new game / / came along - - he only posts on his private discord to his master cucks now, to preserve reputation, i'd assume
Does that mean this game is still going or he left it in the middle or as you said again taking a break...? i'll tell you i'm not a patreon to him but i love this game i've been waiting for update or some post if not i'll delete it i've already completed it to the point where this update ends...
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Valoryn

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Does that mean this game is still going or he left it in the middle or as you said again taking a break...? i'll tell you i'm not a patreon to him but i love this game i've been waiting for update or some post if not i'll delete it i've already completed it to the point where this update ends...
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Still going. Just don't be expectant about the update. Play it then shove it aside for a year or so then enjoy other games.
 

Evangelion-01

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I believe this phenomenon would be called Dunning–Kruger effect . It's basically a psychological bias where one person can overestimate their talent which lead to an issue where upon gaining experience, the realization of how much there's yet to learn and do dawns on them. So self-perception changes its sign to "minus" and you get bad work practices which lead to inefficient/stressing work and burn outs.
You are wrong in your diagnostic though... it's not the first time nor the first project he has done this with... he is just lacking any prefessionalism
It's very common in lewd games, where most new devs have no experience in game-making which often lead to horribly designed gameplay mechanics, over-ambitious goals, poor writing, lack of general creativity, improper work ethics (People don't know how to properly debug, design their workflow and such, which lead to increase dev times and more development difficulties).
Again he is among the more experienced Devs in the genre, haveing already completed several smaller and equal projects... however in the later times you can only call them "completed" as he set a screen with "the end" while several story arcs remained open or hastily ended
I fail to understand why so many of you want it so bad that the thread is marked as abandoned. What difference does it make? This is a pirate site and the vast majority are not here to find new devs they'd like to support
Besides, this thread has been negative towards ICSTOR and the game for the whole of 2020, if this makes you interested in supporting ICSTOR then yeahhh ...
likely because threads with the "abondened" tag tend to be far less frequented... toning down the repeated wining about ICStor's Patreons being to rich and stupid to live a normal day and stuff I suppose
 
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Balpheron

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A question for anyone able to answer.

If we can get the dev to admit he has halted the game - is anyone here capable of picking it up and finishing it? I don't mind helping with the writing/editing part, seeing as I lack any other experience required.

The game is something of a gem, and as a poster earlier today said it, the dev has probably overestimated himself and is now suffering the stresses of an inefficient workflow. His post says it better and I have to agree, seeing as I've been a writer on games before, I can confirm this happens quite frequently in smaller dev teams.

It's a sad thing to see that the dev doesn't seem to be on rails anymore. Between very long periods of silence and an obvious lack of work done for a long time despite an arguable success, it's clear to me that the dev isn't capable of handling the game anymore.

I believe this phenomenon would be called Dunning–Kruger effect . It's basically a psychological bias where one person can overestimate their talent which lead to an issue where upon gaining experience, the realization of how much there's yet to learn and do dawns on them. So self-perception changes its sign to "minus" and you get bad work practices which lead to inefficient/stressing work and burn outs.

It's very common in lewd games, where most new devs have no experience in game-making which often lead to horribly designed gameplay mechanics, over-ambitious goals, poor writing, lack of general creativity, improper work ethics (People don't know how to properly debug, design their workflow and such, which lead to increase dev times and more development difficulties).

It's one of the reasons that despite being an actual indie game dev, i choose to not (yet) dedicate time on a new lewd game since i know the implications of game-making (and i'm waiting for my other game to be fulfilled before starting a new one). Something many new naive devs forget and fall into when they see the success of a handful of lewd game.
Again, if the dev drops the game or puts it on indefinite hold, I wouldn't mind helping to pick it up. Now it's out there.
 
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Ghostly Hale

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A question for anyone able to answer.

If we can get the dev to admit he has halted the game - is anyone here capable of picking it up and finishing it? I don't mind helping with the writing/editing part, seeing as I lack any other experience required.

The game is something of a gem, and as a poster earlier today said it, the dev has probably overestimated himself and is now suffering the stresses of an inefficient workflow. His post says it better and I have to agree, seeing as I've been a writer on games before, I can confirm this happens quite frequently in smaller dev teams.



Again, if the dev drops the game or puts it on indefinite hold, I wouldn't mind helping to pick it up. Now it's out there.
may as well start. this dev just greenlit this to be abandoned. just look at his track record
 

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Ok for those who arent aware and asking themselves why is it taking so long, let me resume it, since last update he started to work on it until he post on Patreon either was #20 or #21 report, where he after so many people complaining "no communication" and other stuff on discord he wrote down on that post that he didnt lift a finger for 4 months so he didnt produce nothing during that time (imagine getting payed to produce a game and doesnt work for months and yet patreon thinks its alright), so it created another mass of complains and he ended up saying that he would rush the game cause he cant manage to do a big game (which milf city so far its a tiny game), so yea that is the story of the upcoming update, best developer in the industry of poon games for sure its a worthy of supporting.
 

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It's paradoxical, really, because the same crowd will often crow that because a dev gets more money on Patreon then it should also lead to faster development times. Basically there's no monetary situation under which a dev is allowed to work slower :rolleyes:
It's not really paradoxical. Ideally, a dev having a large income from patreon should mean that they can devote more time to development and more money to better/faster equipment. That's the gripe people have with ICSTOR. He's making a SHIT TON of money, yet he's obviously doing no work to justify that income. He has no motivation to work, because that massive income flows regardless of what he does. That's why people hope for him to lose patrons, because they (probably rightly) assume that if enough people stop paying him, he'll have an incentive to work to get those patrons back.

I actually was a patron for a few months. I had no clue about his history until I read this thread, and I immediately stopped my support.
 
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Anarchizt

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When he put it from 70% to 80% complete I think he just did that to hold on to patrons a bit longer. He hadn't actually done anything.
 
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Ennoch

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Its just funny how people keep saying this should be abandoned.

A title gets the abandoned prefix when the Dev's last post over its respective site, which ofte means patreon, happened more than 3 months ago OR if the Dev made it clear that he or she gave up on the title.

Icstor's last post was made by May 22 and it was definitely NOT about giving up on this title. That was two months ago. The earliest convenience for the staff to actually consider giving it the prefix is still a month away. This isn't some haphazard decision. It has a simple, clear format. Has nothing to do with certain Devs questionable work ethics and/or real or imaginary mental hygiene issues. Some titles don't get it as early as 3 months because nobody alerts the staff by that time. It gets forgotten sooner than that by the community really.

Some other titles are given some leniency out of common sense. But this one is well within the time limit.
 

exirock

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Its just funny how people keep saying this should be abandoned.

A title gets the abandoned prefix when the Dev's last post over its respective site, which ofte means patreon, happened more than 3 months ago OR if the Dev made it clear that he or she gave up on the title.

Icstor's last post was made by May 22 and it was definitely NOT about giving up on this title. That was two months ago. The earliest convenience for the staff to actually consider giving it the prefix is still a month away. This isn't some haphazard decision. It has a simple, clear format. Has nothing to do with certain Devs questionable work ethics and/or real or imaginary mental hygiene issues. Some titles don't get it as early as 3 months because nobody alerts the staff by that time. It gets forgotten sooner than that by the community really.

Some other titles are given some leniency out of common sense. But this one is well within the time limit.
Normally to get abandoned tag it needs to be around 5-6 months here on f95 if i remember well and only gets it if the dev doesnt show any proof of living (lack of communication), its true it shouldnt be getting abandoned tag atleast not yet.
Icstor mentioned that he was not giving up, but was rushing the game content cause he cant handle producing a game.
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Lets be honest he only made 6-7 updates and he already kinda giving up, its pretty sad and shows how he is not ready to be a dev and he has money to invest he doesnt have a team cause he doesnt want cause he want the cash all for himself.
Like someone sayed on this thread if people would actually stop their patreon for a like 1-2 months u would see him start working and communicating more (making post like apologizing for taking so long, how sad he is losing money, etc), i wish people would do that not in a bad way but to only show if he is really commited to keep working, cause so far we only saw proof of a dev with no motivation to work, doesnt show any progress, 4 months without doing anything just relaxing and the new update status its really hard to believe its on 80% when he literaly sayed he didnt work for 4 months how the hell did the % go up.
 
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keepitrollin

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Jesus Christ $16,000 per month? Okay fuck this asshole and fuck his game. Everybody that's subbed right now drop it. Bleed this asshole dry. There is absolutely no excuse for not having biweekly updates at a minimum when you're making $192,000 per year minimum.
You would be very incorrect about your numbers here...The average income he's been making for the last few years is ~$8 per patron. With 6741 patrons, that's $53,928 per month, or $647,136 per year (that he's still earning now). Now take into the account Patreon takes 5% of that, he's left with $614,779. Doing what exactly? ...well....it would seem, not a fu**ing thing (not this year at least). The dude deserves an applause for his scheme. Incredible to scam so many people who continue to support his BS on monthly basis.
 
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