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If it is free to those who supported him then it isn't free - as you paid him as a supporter. The man likes money and has dragged this final edition on for 3+ years. With no actual proof it is coming. If a final version does come it will be heavily modified due to patreon. With all the fan favourite things either watered down or removed.
I doubt it will change the public perception of Icstor if he did release it. He'd have to make a decent game from start to finish and keep to his promises for that to change.
Years ago, when Patreon really started cracking down on "immoral" content and forcing devs to edit their games or heavily alter their ongoing projects, I remember thinking not just how dubious, intruding, and arbitrary it was, but also how obviously hypocritical and potentially unfair it would be.
For example, I guess pretty much everyone is familiar with George R. R. Martin's work, either through his books or the very popular TV adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire. Both the books and the show include not one but several incestuous relationships. Those are not casual, background occurrences involving minor characters—they are an integral part of the main plot and pivotal elements for several main characters' narrative arcs. Non-consensual sex and (very) underage relationships are also hinted at and sometimes explicitly exposed. There are several passages that are actual medieval fantasy porn worthy of being included in any game available on the F95 zone. In essence, I think we could assume George is quite the perv.
What's interesting to me is thinking of Patreon, say, trying to contact Martin's representatives if he happened to desire to use the platform to kickstart one ASOIAF short story collection, calendar, etc. It's unlikely that might be needed, of course, but let's assume it could happen. Would Patreon go like: "Hey, George, you know that stuff about the Targaryens, man? Yeah, well, it has to go. You see, payment companies, banks and such. Could you make those siblings, dunno, roommates or something? Like, please?" I don't think so.
It's not just Patreon—I know Kickstarter bans people for even less (just for political sympathies, in some cases), and Indiegogo, which seemed a safer alternative, has started to indulge in such shenanigans too. These platforms are both hypocritical and servile, strong and unrelenting with the weak, and pliant and subservient to the powerful.
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I haven't personally used that one, but based on what I've seen, they seem much more open and less intrusive. That being said, Indiegogo seemed to be a good alternative, too, until they weren't. One major problem seems to be, like someone said in a previous post, payment companies exert pressure, but I doubt that tells the whole story. More likely, it's just a convenient excuse to shield the (ideologically motivated) actions of people employed by the platforms themselves.
I've been on SubStar for a couple of years now with no content issues at all and no "pre-patched" games and the devs are free to pretty much release what they want. They don't do PayPal or anything just straight credit card subs. It buries Patreon in a lot of ways and you'll get very little worry or backlash about dev and game content
- Oct 10, 2017
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Nope. Obviously nobody wanted a harem ending and instead wanted to have nice big scenes with obscure side characters
Don't ask such silly questions like why spending all the time on those instead of doing a massive extended all out harem fuckery because nobody fucking knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Addition to my above statement, just to make things clear.
I know exactly why, i just don't like it.
I know exactly why, i just don't like it.
Well, maybe 3some with mom&Sara/Violet? Little bit of hope. My favoruite kind of 3some.
- Feb 19, 2021
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between now and never. People have been asking that same question for a couple of years now.
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In all corners of life, money overrides ideological concerns nearly every time. One or two zealots might join up to someplace like Patreon with fanatical goals of ridding it of smut, but in the end the people in charge will always accept legal money. The payment processors are the same way: for years, Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, and so on cheerfully processed payments to Pornhub, Xvideos, and many other openly pornographic websites.
What changed was the scope. Patreon got big enough to attract the attention of governments and moral activist groups who weren't thrilled about legally-iffy topics like incest, bestiality, and the like. Everybody loves money, but nobody loves law enforcement attention, major media articles, or Congressional subpoenas. The NY Times expose on Pornhub's shitty moderation allowing revenge porn to stay up (again at the behest of an anti-porn group) furthered this chill and caused the payment processors to think twice about working with adult content. Given the choice between taking a stance and having the larger business threatened, they'll always side with the business. It's also why Tumblr, Imgur, and (soon) Reddit are moving away from porn, because investors in their upcoming IPOs don't want any unwanted attention from anti-porn groups either.
TL;DR: You don't fuck with the money. If smut fucks with the money, smut loses.
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No evidence anything is actually coming out. Last release was 3+ years ago. So a release date? I think we'll likely colonize mars before another update of this comes out.
