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The way you phrase things very much reminds me of the insufferable Kitty Farmer from Donnie Darko.

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I try my best to stay on topic. Some of my posts that I post don't make sense, henceforth, I delete the ones that don't make sense. Also, I understand that people are still eagerly waiting for the update for this game, there is still hope, we just have to patient. Remember patience is a virtue.
 

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People shouldn't hate developers. Developers put hard effort and work into developing the games, and if it were not for the developers developing the game, the game would never be finished. Developers are needed, and the hatred towards them is not right.
Yeah, developers in this case if nothing has been made in 2 years... I'd scammer is a more appropriate terms especialy since dates were made and broken again and again.
 

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Is there any other dev who gets the same amount of hate icstor does?
MMMmmm i think Komisari of Hero's Harem Guild is near... in work, behavior and be hated... one or two white knight, all others hate him.
And with no update his game in 2.5 years, but a little winter update made in 6 month from decemeber and out on may (20 min of play). This forum is fun to read at least... he even disable this forum on discord, the hate was big here too.
Yep i think same level.
 
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Yeah, developers in this case if nothing has been made in 2 years... I'd scammer is a more appropriate terms especialy since dates were made and broken again and again.
I understood the first part of your sentence, but the second part of your sentence had me confused. :confused:
 

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People shouldn't hate developers. Developers put hard effort and work into developing the games, and if it were not for the developers developing the game, the game would never be finished. Developers are needed, and the hatred towards them is not right.
Watcha cooking ? I would've walk past this post, but you posted it here. If dev's hardworking and deliver content, being crystal clear with backers - okay. But we're talking about icstor here. There's an individual cauldron for guys like he is in hell.
 

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Watcha cooking ? I would've walk past this post, but you posted it here. If dev's hardworking and deliver content, being crystal clear with backers - okay. But we're talking about icstor here. There's an individual cauldron for guys like he is in hell.
Okay. So in a nutshell you still think ICSTOR is a scammer? Do you doubt ICSTOR that he will not release this coming update?
 
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Okay. So in a nutshell you still think ICSTOR is a scammer? Do you doubt ICSTOR that he will not release this coming update?
Guy literally released no content for more than a year while getting all the patron subs all along, then he announced he would release the final update on January of this year, then he delayed to March, then May, then indefinitely (as of now). This pattern is generally considered as fraud or to the very least an unethical practice. But if you want to defend him no matter what then I have nothing to say.
 

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Guy literally released no content for more than a year while getting all the patron subs all along, then he announced he would release the final update on January of this year, then he delayed to March, then May, then indefinitely (as of now). This pattern is generally considered as fraud or to the very least an unethical practice. But if you want to defend him no matter what then I have nothing to say.
You gave a good and observant explanation, I never really knew the truth behind why people actually thought ICSTOR was a scammer. After from what you said, that sheds light on this.
 
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You gave a good and observant explanation, I never really knew the truth behind why people actually thought ICSTOR was a scammer. After from what you said, that sheds light on this.
I don’t think his actions could be considered as a fraud as well as any other felony. The developer gains his money from patreon on voluntary basis without any legal bindings like contracts or deeds. People on patreon are capable to mitigate their losses judging on the update track record of Icstor. There are a good-faith devs with a strong reputation. They are few, but they are presented on the market. I can mention Faerin and NLT without any doubt. Nobody holds a gun to the head of patrons in order to make them support Icstor.
 

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I don't know if there is anyone as hated as ICSTOR. But bluecat (dev from ecchi sensei) probably gets a lot of hate as well. I haven't been on that thread in a long time, so I don't know if people are still active there.
Dev of Waifu academy good student ICSTOR, Twin Maniax , dev Glacerose and this mirage game
 
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I think in terms of any legal consequence, it's at least plausible that anyone involved in the operation of the Patreon could be taken to court if they never release an update.

If someone promises a specific product, reach their funding goal, and fail to deliver the product, they could face a breach of contract claim. For that reason, they need to be very careful in determining what rewards they plan to offer. Failure to deliver or delivering a sub-par product that doesn’t live up to the promised description can bring a claim from the funders for breach of contract, either on an individual basis or as a larger class action.

Overpromising or overstating what they are offering can open them up to more than just a breach of contract claim if they fail to deliver. It can also expose them to claims under consumer protection laws, false advertising laws, or claims under common law such as fraud or negligent misrepresentation, on the theory that they convinced people to give them money by misstating what they’d receive in return.
Are patreons of mc in contractual relations with Icstor? There is no agreement in written, there is no adherence to any existing agreement. Should we assume Icstor ubo as a proper defendant upon claim he will insist on the absence of promises to make his work. Something like people pay because they like tenders and plot. Imao we’d better to claim versus patreon for permitting such a fraud behaviour.
 

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After I read the recent replies, I have finally come to realize this game is going really nowhere. This game's development is just like waiting for the game Operation Lovecraft. I am saddened to hear that ICSTOR just doesn't really care about his fans, and he will just keep delaying this update until he successfully finishes it. This is quite the disappointment.
 

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I always find people saying what they do as a labour of "love" are usually bullshitting. I 100% believe if icstor wasn't making money from this he wouldn't do it.

People like Agentredgirl who knows that some pirates start paying her and she builds connection with them. I think it was WilTylor who talked about that he would work all week then do gamedev stuff on the weekend. Things like that are labours of love.
 

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I always find people saying what they do as a labour of "love" are usually bullshitting. I 100% believe if icstor wasn't making money from this he wouldn't do it.

People like Agentredgirl who knows that some pirates start paying her and she builds connection with them. I think it was WilTylor who talked about that he would work all week then do gamedev stuff on the weekend. Things like that are labours of love.
They will launch it?

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After I read the recent replies, I have finally come to realize this game is going really nowhere. This game's development is just like waiting for the game Operation Lovecraft. I am saddened to hear that ICSTOR just doesn't really care about his fans, and he will just keep delaying this update until he successfully finishes it. This is quite the disappointment.
And thanks to this experience of promising dates and then delaying he learned to never put a release date again.
So with no deadlines or expectation he can scam for way longer.
Hopefully he will be forgotten by then.
 
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