*shurgs* It's been so long since I played that game, I don't even remember what the base of the story is.
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nahFfs, I'm not suggesting that people band together and file a suit. It would probably cost more than what most users here have actually paid him over the years, I doubt the most of the people who are affected are even around or even interested in trying to gamble a court case to get their money back at this point. But people can stop paying him and file a class action. These things are not mutually exclusive.
Again, it's not like I even think it's a good idea, I just answered a question that, technically, they could be on the hook if they never release a finished game.
This is probably one of the very few cases where the Patreon ToS actually protects them, I dont really think there is much of a case
- May 10, 2019
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steam soon> store.steampowered .com/app/2544090/Milfy_City__Final_Edition/
There are definitely games that look better, have better story and have better animation, but there's something about the visual style of Milfy City that really appeals to people. I've not seen a game with a better milf than Linda. I gave up waiting long ago and learned Stable Diffusion instead.
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You can file for a civil lawsuit. However you will need to file it in the country the defendant resides. Can't remember, for the life of me, where ICSTOR lives currently. Patreon don't need to be directly involved. The case would be the people vs ICSTOR. Patreon is just a sort of... mediator. A middle man. iirc their own rules, and regulations, and ToS make it so they can't be sued for the acts of the creators they host unless it is top tier bad.
It's a long, messy, process and will cost lots of money and you aren't guaranteed a victory. And even if you were who would get the rewards? Remember it would only be a civil case, not criminal. So there would be no prison time. Plus, it all comes down to the local laws of the country he resides.Trying to sue people over the internet is... well... Not advisable. Sadly, because ICSTOR does need a harsh kick p the rear.
It's a long, messy, process and will cost lots of money and you aren't guaranteed a victory. And even if you were who would get the rewards? Remember it would only be a civil case, not criminal. So there would be no prison time. Plus, it all comes down to the local laws of the country he resides.Trying to sue people over the internet is... well... Not advisable. Sadly, because ICSTOR does need a harsh kick p the rear.
The case would not even make it to court.
"As a patron, you’re supporting a creator and may receive special benefits like shoutouts, exclusive creations, or merchandise. You pay on a one-time or automatically-renewing subscription basis as specified; Patreon is the billing entity that is associated with this charge."
You are not making a purchase, and nowhere does it mention any length as far software use license duration either.
There's no mention of completing a project either.
Meaning, you pay to support X, and MAY gain some stuff from it.
You'd only end up loosing money on legal fees.
Since as long as you've subscribed, you had access to discord, and to the game in its current form, you haven't got a leg to stand on, as there was no contract between you or the devs stating a full product will ever be released, nor when it will be released.
"As a patron, you’re supporting a creator and may receive special benefits like shoutouts, exclusive creations, or merchandise. You pay on a one-time or automatically-renewing subscription basis as specified; Patreon is the billing entity that is associated with this charge."
You are not making a purchase, and nowhere does it mention any length as far software use license duration either.
There's no mention of completing a project either.
Meaning, you pay to support X, and MAY gain some stuff from it.
You'd only end up loosing money on legal fees.
Since as long as you've subscribed, you had access to discord, and to the game in its current form, you haven't got a leg to stand on, as there was no contract between you or the devs stating a full product will ever be released, nor when it will be released.
hi mate
Has sex ever happened between LS and other men in this game?
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Keep in mind that the examples you posted relate to Kickstarter/IndieGoGo projects which have included concrete rewards for individual pledges. Like if you pay $100 for a project that includes a plushie and a completed book you have to either deliver the items or refund the customer. If we use those examples as a framework the only binding items on ICSTOR's Patreon page would be his reward tiers, which include access to Discord, polls, and game updates but make no promises as to update frequency or even a projected completion date.
So yeah, if you pay him and he doesn't give you access to the Discord or the latest update you can sue him, but otherwise the court would toss the suit during the preliminary phase. Patreon payments constitute a pledge towards the creator and do not entitle you to any sort of investor protections or anything outside what's laid out in the reward tiers.
Also, even if you push it and sue him anyways there's probably no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. As noted in your first link setting up an LLC to provide a liability shield is both easy and recommended, and since he's ostensibly paying contractors a good way to keep money from the taxman. Absent penetrating the corporate veil (good goddamn luck) all you'll find in ICSTOR, LLC is gonna be a bank account with a few hundred bucks in it.
- Oct 31, 2017
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I came to see if the update was released and people are talking about taking icstor to court so i guess not lmao
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I found out from a ICSTOR team member who is testing alpha version of the game that beta version will be released this week,
he also said that it will not be delayed any longer so we'll see.
he also said that it will not be delayed any longer so we'll see.
- Feb 19, 2021
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Sure and I have a bridge to sell you real cheap. Just needs to be assembled.
- Jul 27, 2022
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sure and if my grandma had wheels she would be a bike
Pepegaa has been a reliable leaker for patreon posts and exclusive discord channels for years at this point. I trust that they actually heard this from a team member, but whether the statement itself becomes reality is another question.