There are 2 ways - if I remember correctly - to learn submission skills. 1: you go to Piroa (in the Tavern), you have to visit her more than once, as the story develops she will offer more skills. 2: when your submission score goes up (through dialogue choices) your submission skills will get stronger and when you level up new skills (I believe whimper is one of them) will unlock.
Wait. I have already unlocked from Piroa "Bow", "Kiss Feet" and "Feet Lick" through the dialogues where I had to be submissive. Is "Whimper" the fourth skill she "teaches" to you?
What I meant is that apart from obtaining skills from Piroa all the dialogues and choices that you make in the world (with everyone) affect your submission stat. So when you talk with others, start conversations, go into questions, etc. but you always choose submissive responses during every conversation and when you decide to obey when they ask you to do smth (humiliating usually) then your general submission stat grows, which boosts your submission skills. And when you level up it just adds new skills to your moveset after some fixed thresholds.
Actually I'm not sure if the skill can be unlocked by itself just boosting the submission. Here I have a screenshot of my Stats before start the ch.4. Did you have a Save before starting the ch.4 too to make a comparison with my stat and, therefore, my submission? Thanks a lot.
I've got it unlocked in some dialog either with Piroa or Clessa in Ch.3 or 4 - do not remember exactly which
Yes, that's true, but spamming grovel and clear thoughts is boring
So I decided to break free from restrains too.I'm 100% sure that I've unlocked at least 2 skills after leveling up or rising my sub stats (damn, I guess I'll replay the game tomorrow to check this
).My stats:
Yeah, it's a damn tedious process since she regenerates real quick and regenerates completely two times after you get her HP all the way down to zero... but every other method seems to be even slowerYes, that's true, but spamming grovel and clear thoughts is boring
Oh, may I ask you to tell me if "Whimper" automatically unlocks when you reach level 8 when you Will be at that lvl? I am convinced that the skill does not unlock in any dialogue with Piroa or Clessa. And that would explain why I don't have it (I saw you are at lvl 8, I was at lvl 7). Furthermore, the problem is that I don't know how to level further in that save, as losing takes you directly to one of the game's various endings, without allowing you to level up so.
I am going to finish my current replay (I made some notes and it's practically a walkthrough at this point
), I am not at lvl 8 yet though (I'm at lvl 5 that I got for dialogue challenge with the elf queen). At the point you're in a game it's impossible to level up, I also noticed your defense is quite low. At lvl 5 my scholarly stat is at 7, which gives you perks Scholar and Aware, that boost your xp gain, maybe you missed some scholarly points in your game or didn't finish dialogue challenges (doing them in chapter 1 alone gives you 150 xp)?
Well man, at this point I am relying on your future "walkthrough", because as far as I understand, I've lost huge exp points in some dialogues in the story, so I will have to play it again in a clear save.I am going to finish my current replay (I made some notes and it's practically a walkthrough at this point
Did you try to see if you had enough vitality? Maybe you started the fights without vitality. If so, heal yourself with the pools of water in the memory crystal and try again to challenge someone.
I played a little bit today chapter 2, with barbarians. During this chapter you earn perk Espionage (unlocked via Scholarly stat) that greatly enhances your defense. I got it in mines, and I also leveled up while in mines (to lvl 6) and it automatically unlocked Whimper for me (tbh at this point leveling up seems unnecessary to me). As of this moment I have the following perks: Obedient, Compliance, Pitiable and Adoring unlocked via Submissive stat and Resourceful, Scholar, Aware, Espionage unlocked via Scholarly stat. I'm at lvl 6 and my defense is 24 (already 10 above yours at the end of your game, I haven't even started 3rd chapter) and I also have more Masochism than you (45), so I'm pretty sure you missed some Scholarly points and/or dialogue challenges.
Here it is. It's how I've played the game.
To escape restraints you need to use Whimper. Also, I'd recommend having enough Scholarly points to gain the perk Espionage, it'll boost your defense; having a high Submissive stat is also helpful. In my post above yours there's a quick walkthrough that I've wrote while replaying the game, so maybe it could be useful to you.
I have the perk espionage, but i don't seem to have the skill whimper.... i'll have to look where maybe i missed that.... Thanks for your response.
That's weird, I played twice through the whole game and always got Whimper.
Maybe it's also connected to the Submissive stat. I assume you just started playing and you're not continuing old saves?I thought 71 was pretty decent/high. But I am playing with old saves, I suppose I should just start from the beginning cause it's likely that, that's doing it. was kind of afraid of that. Oh well, at least I have your awesome guide for my new playthrough, make it a positive and get to redo lots of great scenes. Thanks very much for your help!That's weird, I played twice through the whole game and always got Whimper.
