VN Ren'Py Monster College [v0.8.11] [Monster Eye Games]

[BlasKyau]

You make good points. I just hope that we will eventually get to see a werewolf fight vampire in the game eventually. I want to see what the MC is really capable of once and for all. Personally, I would like to see him fight and beat Count Orlok. Get that racist limp dick excuse for a vampire out of the picture once and for all. As you pointed out, it will be much easier said than done. But it would be fun to watch him try.

Well, I don't know how Dev thought of doing it, but in my games of Vampire and Werewolf I have seen more than one fight between a Cliath (the lowest rank of werewolves) and an Ancillae (a vampire of about 200 to 300 years) and things tend to go very badly for vampires. In reality, intelligent gangrel tend to escape as fast as they can and merge with the earth whenever they have the chance. An Assamite or a Brujah armed with a sword has some chance of winning, without a sharp weapon or some silver it's like trying to knock down a mountain with your fists. The rest of the clans are usually not good enough in combat to have any chance in a fight with a Werewolf, unless they have the opportunity to use disciplines that are not expressly designed for combat. I've seen used pressence to temporarily stop the werewolf and have a chance to scape, and some thaumaturgy paths can be remarkably effective in combat (like Creo Ignem, starting at 3rd level you can throw a fireball powerful enough to stop the werewolf, although then you have to escape from the fire you have caused, but a Tremere will always consider that the best way to confront a Werewolf is to have another fight the Werewolf.)

 

[Brannon]

Well, I don't know how Dev thought of doing it, but in my games of Vampire and Werewolf I have seen more than one fight between a Cliath (the lowest rank of werewolves) and an Ancillae (a vampire of about 200 to 300 years) and things tend to go very badly for vampires. In reality, intelligent gangrel tend to escape as fast as they can and merge with the earth whenever they have the chance. An Assamite or a Brujah armed with a sword has some chance of winning, without a sharp weapon or some silver it's like trying to knock down a mountain with your fists. The rest of the clans are usually not good enough in combat to have any chance in a fight with a Werewolf, unless they have the opportunity to use disciplines that are not expressly designed for combat. I've seen used pressence to temporarily stop the werewolf and have a chance to scape, and some thaumaturgy paths can be remarkably effective in combat (like Creo Ignem, starting at 3rd level you can throw a fireball powerful enough to stop the werewolf, although then you have to escape from the fire you have caused, but a Tremere will always consider that the best way to confront a Werewolf is to have another fight the Werewolf.)

You are talking about the masquerade line of games.
In that line of games werewolves are extremely overpowered and more like a villainous endboss than a somewhat balanced adversary.
In addition vampires are portrayed as relatively squishy and fragile. Even mere humans pose somewhat of a threat.
With this portrayal that series, which includes a Pen&Paper RPG which you are likely referring to, is more or less an outlier and not the "standard" in that regard.

The backstory of Dragomira for instance is that she was a professional werewolf hunter and has singlehandedly wiped out werewolf clans for multiple centuries.

That alone should clue you in that this game is not set in the masquerade world ...


The "Bog Standard" is relatively akin to the portrayal in the underworld movies.
Werewolves and Vampires of comparable rank are relatively close in combat prowess.


Here the MC is of slightly higher than the absolutely lowest rank werewolf since he discovered his gift a few weeks ago i.e. is neither old nor trained enough for higher ranks and dragomira is not necessarily the strongest vampire "alive" but close to the highest rank of vampire.
Honestly not even an earnest competition.

 

[drifter139]

You are talking about the masquerade line of games.
In that line of games werewolves are extremely overpowered and more like a villainous endboss than a somewhat balanced adversary.
In addition vampires are portrayed as relatively squishy and fragile. Even mere humans pose somewhat of a threat.
With this portrayal that series, which includes a Pen&Paper RPG which you are likely referring to, is more or less an outlier and not the "standard" in that regard.

The backstory of Dragomira for instance is that she was a professional werewolf hunter and has singlehandedly wiped out werewolf clans for multiple centuries.

That alone should clue you in that this game is not set in the masquerade world ...


The "Bog Standard" is relatively akin to the portrayal in the underworld movies.
Werewolves and Vampires of comparable rank are relatively close in combat prowess.


Here the MC is of slightly higher than the absolutely lowest rank werewolf since he discovered his gift a few weeks ago i.e. is neither old nor trained enough for higher ranks and dragomira is not necessarily the strongest vampire "alive" but close to the highest rank of vampire.
Honestly not even an earnest competition.

to be fair, we also don't know if MC has even reached their peak form since werewolves that are considered leaders of a pack tend to be the strongest and I have a feeling that adding the Great Wolf ability to that would possibly put them on equal footing with older vampires

 

[Brannon]

to be fair, we also don't know if MC has even reached their peak form since werewolves that are considered leaders of a pack tend to be the strongest and I have a feeling that adding the Great Wolf ability to that would possibly put them on equal footing with older vampires

He is named to be the prospective leader of the pack by name alone.
He comes from the most well regarded clan of werewolves.
The prior leader of the pack was Alex, the son of the second most well regarded clan of werewolves. And that "only" because at that time MC wasn't even aware that he is a werewolf i.e. he got that position due to a lack of opponents, not through strength.

But keep one thing in mind.
It is a werewolf pack of college students.
Not a "big" werewolf pack.
It is very much possible that the leader of that pack would be initiated at a "slightly above beginner level" position in an adult pack.

Ultimately being the leader of that pack means little in "the real world".
It is more like a "The children are playing make-believe again. How cute!" type of deal.


You do not honestly believe a werewolf of a few weeks magically and suddenly is the strongest werewolf in the country.
Or do you?

 

[drifter139]

He is named to be the prospective leader of the pack by name alone.
He comes from the most well regarded clan of werewolves.
The prior leader of the pack was Alex, the son of the second most well regarded clan of werewolves. And that "only" because at that time MC wasn't even aware that he is a werewolf i.e. he got that position due to a lack of opponents, not through strength.

But keep one thing in mind.
It is a werewolf pack of college students.
Not a "big" werewolf pack.
It is very much possible that the leader of that pack would be initiated at a "slightly above beginner level" position in an adult pack.

Ultimately being the leader of that pack means little in "the real world".
It is more like a "The children are playing make-believe again. How cute!" type of deal.


You do not honestly believe a werewolf of a few weeks magically and suddenly is the strongest werewolf in the country.
Or do you?

I didn't say that. my point was mostly that MC hasn't reached their peak physical form yet and still has room for growth. I know it's just a small pack in a college which ultimately is a schoolyard thing but what would happen if MC had the Great Wolf ability and would it put him on equal footing at some point. I do recognize that my wording was way off of what I intended it to be and I understand your reply so that's on me

 

[Brannon]

I didn't say that. my point was mostly that MC hasn't reached their peak physical form yet and still has room for growth. I know it's just a small pack in a college which ultimately is a schoolyard thing but what would happen if MC had the Great Wolf ability and would it put him on equal footing at some point. I do recognize that my wording was way off of what I intended it to be and I understand your reply so that's on me

The room MC has to grow is quite large.
As said he discovered the fact that he is a werewolf some weeks ago.
Even if the game skips some weeks it still is the same season on campus i.e. not 3 month have passed.
It is quite a stretch that MC has had multiple growth moments already, but that is part of the "parts of the story that realistically do not quite make sense" list. It is for storytelling purposes but I feel it is "a bit" to fast.

Realistically speaking if the training he undergoes is speedy and successful plus he unlocks the great wolf he maybe able to challenge Count Limp Dick to a fight and win. If he'd do the same with Dragomira he would run into problems, not least of which likely is that he'd be reluctant to kill her and thus fighting prowess/resolve is lowered. She on the other hand has centuries of experience about where a werewolves limits are i.e. she knows where to hit and how much pain MC realistically could take before he falls unconscious for her to drag him into her bdsm dungeon ...

Basically the main difference is a few centuries worth of experience.
And don't underestimate her previous job.
She was a werewolf hunter and was extremely good at it. So much that she is feared amongst werewolf packs. She knows weaknesses about werewolves that they themselves likely don't realize.



MC has potential.
Thing is he needs time to develop that potential.
He is not the Big Bad Wolf some people picture him as.
Yet.

 

[drifter139]

The room MC has to grow is quite large.
As said he discovered the fact that he is a werewolf some weeks ago.
Even if the game skips some weeks it still is the same season on campus i.e. not 3 month have passed.
It is quite a stretch that MC has had multiple growth moments already, but that is part of the "parts of the story that realistically do not quite make sense" list. It is for storytelling purposes but I feel it is "a bit" to fast.

Realistically speaking if the training he undergoes is speedy and successful plus he unlocks the great wolf he maybe able to challenge Count Limp Dick to a fight and win. If he'd do the same with Dragomira he would run into problems, not least of which likely is that he'd be reluctant to kill her and thus fighting prowess/resolve is lowered. She on the other hand has centuries of experience about where a werewolves limits are i.e. she knows where to hit and how much pain MC realistically could take before he falls unconscious for her to drag him into her bdsm dungeon ...

Basically the main difference is a few centuries worth of experience.
And don't underestimate her previous job.
She was a werewolf hunter and was extremely good at it. So much that she is feared amongst werewolf packs. She knows weaknesses about werewolves that they themselves likely don't realize.



MC has potential.
Thing is he needs time to develop that potential.
He is not the Big Bad Wolf some people picture him as.
Yet.

that's why I didn't mention those 2 vampires specifically by name. those 2 could be considered among the most dangerous vampires in the world currently. when I said on equal footing, it was geared more towards a younger vampire of let's say 125 yrs. again, I know it would take more than a decade of training for MC to even be able to last a few minutes against Dragomira and Count Old Guy. not to mention it would likely take decades of training to hit either of them considering like werewolves, vampires get stronger as they age. this does bring about another question though. just who was the werewolf that got MC's grandma pregnant and what clan did he belong to? because taking that into account could somewhat change how we approach MC's growth in the future and what he could potentially do later on down the line. also thanks for not randomly insulting me during our discussion on this subject. I know these things tend to get heated

 

[Jack Townsend]

I have a feeling that (depending on player choices) the MC will realize his potential very quickly. In his little tussle with Dermilla, she expressed shock that the MC was strong enough to overpower her physically. And that's him just starting out. Imagine what he'll be like when he has the wolf abilities, including the Great Wolf.

 

[Slick Bean]

Old makes might in the vamp and werewolf arena - abulitied get awoken and tirelessly rehearsed - we are yet to see MC do any training in his werewolf form, American werewolf in Paris is the kinds of shenanigans he is exhibiting thus far - actual bad form Dragomira might just legit end him for the safety of her other students.

when he has the wolf abilities, including the Great Wolf

If he ever develops any of that - remember the many seasons and a full rework NAruto/Boruto needed for stuff like that to get through to the small screens.

 

[Dark Silence]

Old makes might in the vamp and werewolf arena - abulitied get awoken and tirelessly rehearsed - we are yet to see MC do any training in his werewolf form, American werewolf in Paris is the kinds of shenanigans he is exhibiting thus far - actual bad form Dragomira might just legit end him for the safety of her other students.

If he ever develops any of that - remember the many seasons and a full rework NAruto/Boruto needed for stuff like that to get through to the small screens.

Canto Forte, have you met your brother? He's a more pushier version of you.

 

[Jack Townsend]

Old makes might in the vamp and werewolf arena - abulitied get awoken and tirelessly rehearsed - we are yet to see MC do any training in his werewolf form, American werewolf in Paris is the kinds of shenanigans he is exhibiting thus far - actual bad form Dragomira might just legit end him for the safety of her other students.

If he ever develops any of that - remember the many seasons and a full rework NAruto/Boruto needed for stuff like that to get through to the small screens.

Another reason I think he will learn quickly is because of the developer's release schedule. Monster Eye has said on Discord that the game story will be nine chapters long. The eighth chapter will be the climax ending. The ninth chapter will be the epilogue. We are in chapter seven right now. So if the developer wants to finish the game by March or April, like he says he does, he better have the MC learn quickly.

 

[Wolfeszorn]

Another reason I think he will learn quickly is because of the developer's release schedule. Monster Eye has said on Discord that the game story will be nine chapters long. The eighth chapter will be the climax ending. The ninth chapter will be the epilogue. We are in chapter seven right now. So if the developer wants to finish the game by March or April, like he says he does, he better have the MC learn quickly.

That would feel awfully rushed imho.... I mean... we literally just got to choose who we want to be with. there is still no clue on who has the Artifact and so on.

 

[Abhai]

Canto Forte, have you met your brother? He's a more pushier version of you.

thats just dr canto and mister bean.

 

[Jack Townsend]

That would feel awfully rushed imho.... I mean... we literally just got to choose who we want to be with. there is still no clue on who has the Artifact and so on.

True. But as the harem confrontation scene has shown, the developer is willing to rush some things.

 

[Brannon]

Another reason I think he will learn quickly is because of the developer's release schedule. Monster Eye has said on Discord that the game story will be nine chapters long. The eighth chapter will be the climax ending. The ninth chapter will be the epilogue. We are in chapter seven right now. So if the developer wants to finish the game by March or April, like he says he does, he better have the MC learn quickly.

Honestly it feels like we have gotten the introduction to the game out of the way and are about to start into the game in earnest, and you are telling us that the next chapter is the end?

That pretty much rules out that Grace, Maxine or Suzi will be elevated to Main LI. And according to the dev only those will get an ending ...

I don't know why I even had hopes for the game to begin with.

That would feel awfully rushed imho.... I mean... we literally just got to choose who we want to be with. there is still no clue on who has the Artifact and so on.

Some players are interested in lily, grace, dragomira, maxine, olga, ...
We have not chosen yet.
We have chosen to tell 4 girls about a possible future, either separate or together.
One of them answered direct NO to a solo route and all of them "need to think" about a harem route.

Judging by the harem implementation and the discussion beforehand that it will not be a harem game I have a feeling that the setting is the one saving grace that keeps me engaged. The story and it's implementation not so much ...

It 100% is planned to become some kind of episodic game bullshit.
A few weeks after the last update here you'll suddenly see "Monster College 2" pop up in version 0.01.

 

[Dark Silence]

Honestly it feels like we have gotten the introduction to the game out of the way and are about to start into the game in earnest, and you are telling us that the next chapter is the end?

That pretty much rules out that Grace, Maxine or Suzi will be elevated to Main LI. And according to the dev only those will get an ending ...

I don't know why I even had hopes for the game to begin with.


Some players are interested in lily, grace, dragomira, maxine, olga, ...
We have not chosen yet.
We have chosen to tell 4 girls about a possible future, either separate or together.
One of them answered direct NO to a solo route and all of them "need to think" about a harem route.

Judging by the harem implementation and the discussion beforehand that it will not be a harem game I have a feeling that the setting is the one saving grace that keeps me engaged. The story and it's implementation not so much ...

It 100% is planned to become some kind of episodic game bullshit.
A few weeks after the last update here you'll suddenly see "Monster College 2" pop up in version 0.01.

1 ep left? Yeah. The dev lost his interest in this. As for an MC2, don't get your hopes up.

 

[Jack Townsend]

Honestly it feels like we have gotten the introduction to the game out of the way and are about to start into the game in earnest, and you are telling us that the next chapter is the end?

That pretty much rules out that Grace, Maxine or Suzi will be elevated to Main LI. And according to the dev only those will get an ending ...

I don't know why I even had hopes for the game to begin with.


Some players are interested in lily, grace, dragomira, maxine, olga, ...
We have not chosen yet.
We have chosen to tell 4 girls about a possible future, either separate or together.
One of them answered direct NO to a solo route and all of them "need to think" about a harem route.

Judging by the harem implementation and the discussion beforehand that it will not be a harem game I have a feeling that the setting is the one saving grace that keeps me engaged. The story and it's implementation not so much ...

It 100% is planned to become some kind of episodic game bullshit.
A few weeks after the last update here you'll suddenly see "Monster College 2" pop up in version 0.01.

If there's enough demand for it, maybe the developer will do a sequel. As long as the story picks up where the first one left off, I'll be all for it. And even though he plans to finish this game in nine chapters, plans can always change. Release dates can also change.

 

[EmulatorB]

A few weeks after the last update here you'll suddenly see "Monster College 2" pop up in version 0.01.

One semester one game, I'm fine with that. Not at all different from doing season 1,2,3,etc

 

[Brannon]

If there's enough demand for it, maybe the developer will do a sequel. As long as the story picks up where the first one left off, I'll be all for it. And even though he plans to finish this game in nine chapters, plans can always change. Release dates can also change.

One semester one game, I'm fine with that. Not at all different from doing season 1,2,3,etc

Yes.

IF that happens.
It is just as likely that he is releasing a "teaser" for "season 2" and vanishes. Either for a while or for good.

With how things progressed in this game so far and from what is known for the future I get the horrible feeling that he is setting up a milking station ...

 

[pashabyrussia]

behold it:

Release 0.7.8 available now!

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