TheCrimsonRevenger

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A couple of things:

As said Dragomira was a werewolf hunter for a couple of centuries. You are ... not really successful for long if the prey you hunt is way stronger than you.
Especially since werewolves are intelligent human beings and retain their full mental capabilities in transformation.
Meaning she is extremely likely physically stronger than the strongest werewolf.
That is the main reason why I believe that she is playing to be overpowered by the fledgling Werewolf and she WANTED to be fucked.

The older a vampire gets the more experience s/he gets and the more time for training s/he has as well. And I'm not only talking about physical training but mental one as well. Like turning into bat/mist, fly, mental domination/seduction, ...


I'll ignore the section you said about Twilight and making sense.
Call me old fashioned if you must but in my time vampires sucked blood and not cock.
That's succubus territory ...
Every single story about regular humans successfully hunting vampires(Ancient and young alike), werewolves, demons and more would rather vigorously disagree with the notion that you can't hunt prey stronger than you successfully for any length of time.

Heck, every big game hunter currently living in the real world today would similarly challenge that idea.

All we know is that Dragomira was a successful werewolf hunter. We have been given ZERO info on the specifics of how. If all she needs is a precious few seconds to strike a killing blow before they can become strong enough to overpower her, well then it makes sense how she hunted them successfully for so long.

I mean let's look at the Underworld movies. The early ones, before Selene went Maximum Mary Sue and could solo anything anytime for any reason. She was capable of fighting evenly with werewolves in human form, and even overpowering them but when they went beastmode she relied on guns or ran the hell away from them as fast as she could.

Even in stories that do lean into the trope of Vampires getting more powerful with time "just because" they will often introduce that the power boost Werewolves get after they change shapes is sufficient to overcome all but the most ancient and powerful vampires of all. Twilight and Vampire Diaries being good examples. In those sort of settings when Vampires need to beat a werewolf they make a point of how critical it is they do so BEFORE the wolf has time to change forms and try their best to avoid confronting them otherwise.

There's ALOT of variations to how supernatural critter powers compare. Some favor vampires. Some favor werewolves. Some favor Chupacabras and Snarks. lol.

We just don't know enough about the critters in this setting to have a clear picture of how they truly stack up against each other. I mean heck, even amongst the Werewolves at this point the MC is quite a bit more powerful than most at the college and he hasn't even been training that long. Who's to say there aren't Werewolves out there beyond the college who've trained their powers and fighting skills far beyond the MC who could make complete and total mincemeat out of Dragomira even in their human forms?

Well, the Dev I guess. If he cares enough to start quantifying these things.

As for Dragomira and the MC i agree: She definitely WANTED that dicking.

But her reaction afterwards made it fairly clear she didn't want it to happen the way it did. Actually ended up feeling a bit rapey. I'm sure she could have overpowered the MC in human form. She does if you go in there in human form. But all the available evidence so far seems to suggest Werewolves in beast form are a match(physically at least) for even elder vampires, and stronger werewolves like the MC can match even ancient vamps in his beast form. They might still have an experience advantage but experience only matters if the raw physical ability gap isn't that large.

We don't yet know enough about the gap in raw physical power between wolves and vamps for this setting.

All that's assuming we're talking about a head-to-head fist/claw fight. In an actual hunt where the hunter is using tools, guile, and stealth....even humans become a viable threat.
 
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Every single story about regular humans successfully hunting vampires(Ancient and young alike), werewolves, demons and more would rather vigorously disagree with the notion that you can't hunt prey stronger than you successfully for any length of time.

Heck, every big game hunter currently living in the real world today would similarly challenge that idea.

All we know is that Dragomira was a successful werewolf hunter. We have been given ZERO info on the specifics of how. If all she needs is a precious few seconds to strike a killing blow before they can become strong enough to overpower her, well then it makes sense how she hunted them successfully for so long.

I mean let's look at the Underworld movies. The early ones, before Selene went Maximum Mary Sue and could solo anything anytime for any reason. She was capable of fighting evenly with werewolves in human form, and even overpowering them but when they went beastmode she relied on guns or ran the hell away from them as fast as she could.

Even in stories that do lean into the trope of Vampires getting more powerful with time "just because" they will often introduce that the power boost Werewolves get after they change shapes is sufficient to overcome all but the most ancient and powerful vampires of all. Twilight and Vampire Diaries being good examples. In those sort of settings when Vampires need to beat a werewolf they make a point of how critical it is they do so BEFORE the wolf has time to change forms and try their best to avoid confronting them otherwise.

There's ALOT of variations to how supernatural critter powers compare. Some favor vampires. Some favor werewolves. Some favor Chupacabras and Snarks. lol.

We just don't know enough about the critters in this setting to have a clear picture of how they truly stack up against each other. I mean heck, even amongst the Werewolves at this point the MC is quite a bit more powerful than most at the college and he hasn't even been training that long. Who's to say there aren't Werewolves out there beyond the college who've trained their powers and fighting skills far beyond the MC who could make complete and total mincemeat out of Dragomira even in their human forms?

Well, the Dev I guess. If he cares enough to start quantifying these things.

As for Dragomira and the MC i agree: She definitely WANTED that dicking.

But her reaction afterwards made it fairly clear she didn't want it to happen the way it did. Actually ended up feeling a bit rapey. I'm sure she could have overpowered the MC in human form. She does if you go in there in human form. But all the available evidence so far seems to suggest Werewolves in beast form are a match(physically at least) for even elder vampires, and stronger werewolves like the MC can match even ancient vamps in his beast form. They might still have an experience advantage but experience only matters if the raw physical ability gap isn't that large.

We don't yet know enough about the gap in raw physical power between wolves and vamps for this setting.
How other media portraits the relationship and strength between different fantasy races is completely irrelevant, the only thing that counts is how the Dev of this VN wants it to be. If he says Dragomira is the most powerful hunter in history that's how it is.
 
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How other media portraits the relationship and strength between different fantasy races is completely irrelevant, the only thing that counts is how the Dev of this VN wants it to be. If he says Dragomira is the most powerful hunter in history that's how it it.
Being the best big game hunter on earth doesn't mean you can beat a lion to death with your barehands.

Yes, the Dev said Dragomira's the best werewolf hunter. That doesn't mean she was running around challenging them to fisticuffs at Sunset. That means she was HUNTING.

Van Helsing HUNTS Vampires too. He doesn't BRAWL them. Unless he's being played by Hugh Jackman.

I'm sure Dragomira is serious business when she's got all her silver blades, crossbow, assault rifle and battle armor on. Whatever her hunting kit looks like. But she was butt naked in her bedroom with a dripping pussy when this particular werewolf showed up in full beast form. SHE was the one hunted in this scene.
 
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Being the best big game hunter on earth doesn't mean you can beat a lion to death with your barehands.

Yes, the Dev said Dragomira's the best werewolf hunter. That doesn't mean she was running around challenging them to fisticuffs at Sunset. That means she was HUNTING.

Van Helsing HUNTS Vampires too. He doesn't BRAWL them. Unless he's being played by Hugh Jackman.

I'm sure Dragomira is serious business when she's got all her silver blades, crossbow, assault rifle and battle armor on. But she was butt naked in her bedroom, pussy dripping when this particular werewolf showed up in full beast form. SHE was the one hunted in this scene.
Exactly, what the Dev says is the canon of this story, if he says she's best then she is.
 
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I don't know, are we?
Seems so. I agree Dragomira is the best werewolf hunter.

All i'm arguing is that being the best hunter of something does not mean that thing can't physically overpower you if it gets close enough.

Ask any Lion hunter who ever ran out of bullets out on the Serengeti.

You'll have to wait for a lion to poop them out though. lol
 

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Seems so. I agree Dragomira is the best werewolf hunter.

All i'm arguing is that being the best hunter of something does not mean that thing can't physically overpower you if it gets close enough.

Ask any Lion hunter who ever ran out of bullets out on the Serengeti.

You'll have to wait for a lion to poop them out though. lol
Slight problem.

A lion is not intelligent enough for advanced thoughts OR advanced strategy.
The werewolves in this game are portrayed that they don't lose their human characteristics in the transformed state.

In almost every media were werewolves are portrayed they turn into a beast that with a few (mostly older/more experienced) exceptions are incapable of retaining advanced thoughts.
Mostly the process is dubbed "Controlling the Beast" and the werewolves that do always are said to be more dangerous opponents.
In this game the youngest ones are.

Meaning in the end to effectively hunt werewolves for several centuries to the point where even her name is feared amongst werewolves - read chapter 1 to IIRC 3 again where that is clear as day - she has to be very strong.

There is no way in hell or other warm places a young, inexperienced werewolf is able to defeat/dominate an old, experienced vampire.
And no amount of "Well Ackshually" is changing that simple fact.
She allowed it.
She played that MC overpowered her and that she did not want it. Either for his sake or for her fetish.
Remember due to her reputation most possible sex candidates are running for the nearest hill i.e. she is chronically underfucked.
MC was the first in a long time that was not fearful in her presence. Meaning she likely wanted to give him a feeling of accomplishment in hopes that he would do it again in the future.
Psychology.




And no.
Being in a disadvantageous position without weapons hardly matters.
As is visible earlier in the game older vampires are able to turn into bats and I assume mist as well. Meaning she could have escaped that situation relatively easy if she wanted.
Plus it is ... let's say unlikely that in the multiple centuries of fighting she has not been on the receiving end of an ambush yet she still is alive. Or something similar to alive at least ...
 

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How does that matter that she might be more powerful than the MC?
During the game Dragomira is already quite intrigued by the MC (in my playthrough roughly between 2/3 and 3/4 of the love meter ), so overpowering her is not an issue if she let's that happen while keeping her facade and the lore from modern monster movies is still intact...
Speaking of that most of the creatures aren't existing in the same story/legend universe that's a pretty recent thing as well to mash things up, so what gives...
 

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Slight problem.

A lion is not intelligent enough for advanced thoughts OR advanced strategy.
The werewolves in this game are portrayed that they don't lose their human characteristics in the transformed state.

In almost every media were werewolves are portrayed they turn into a beast that with a few (mostly older/more experienced) exceptions are incapable of retaining advanced thoughts.
Mostly the process is dubbed "Controlling the Beast" and the werewolves that do always are said to be more dangerous opponents.
In this game the youngest ones are.

Meaning in the end to effectively hunt werewolves for several centuries to the point where even her name is feared amongst werewolves - read chapter 1 to IIRC 3 again where that is clear as day - she has to be very strong.

There is no way in hell or other warm places a young, inexperienced werewolf is able to defeat/dominate an old, experienced vampire.
And no amount of "Well Ackshually" is changing that simple fact.
She allowed it.
She played that MC overpowered her and that she did not want it. Either for his sake or for her fetish.
Remember due to her reputation most possible sex candidates are running for the nearest hill i.e. she is chronically underfucked.
MC was the first in a long time that was not fearful in her presence. Meaning she likely wanted to give him a feeling of accomplishment in hopes that he would do it again in the future.
Psychology.




And no.
Being in a disadvantageous position without weapons hardly matters.
As is visible earlier in the game older vampires are able to turn into bats and I assume mist as well. Meaning she could have escaped that situation relatively easy if she wanted.
Plus it is ... let's say unlikely that in the multiple centuries of fighting she has not been on the receiving end of an ambush yet she still is alive. Or something similar to alive at least ...

Look, I get it. You're a fanboy. And i'm in no way, shape or form using that term pejoratively. You're a fanboy. I'm a fanboy. Anybody who cares enough to keep reading this silly little nerd debate you n' me are having is also a fanboy to some degree or another i'd wager.

And amongst us fanboys there are eternal debates that will never die.

Caveman vs Astronaut.
Pirate vs Ninja.
Superman vs Goku.
Robocop vs Terminator.

And thanks to Abbot and Costello, we got to add Werewolf vs Vampire to the great hall of Versus.

And it has become abundantly clear that you are deeply, ferociously, and passionately on Team Edward. lol.

But try to take a step back and look at it objectively. Which is always the most interesting way to approach these debates regardless of which side you're on.

Stop projecting from other Vampire IPs or making all these assumptions. The only thing i've pointed at from other IPs is to illustrate the fact that powers of supernatural creatures fluctuate wildly depending on the author. And frankly even many authors fail to keep it consistent within their own works. Lazy writing catches up to everyone eventually, I suppose.

Within the context of THIS story, and THIS setting, here's what we know(or can reasonably infer) about Vampires in general and Dragomira specifically.

Vampires in general seem to have enhanced physical abilities but we have no idea to what degree, and whether or not they ever fluctuate due to external factors(Age, recent blood consumption, specific types of blood consumed, etc, etc)

Orlock has unique powers even by the standards of other Vampires, but it is made CRYSTAL CLEAR that this is because he explicitly sacrificed his humanity for that power. And his monstrous appearance...and newfound life as an eternal cuck.... is the physical evidence of that. Dragomira has clearly made so such sacrifices. She's still human in appearance and still likes to fuck. So whatever powers Orlock has, there's no reason at all to assume Dragomira has them. For that matter, we don't even know for sure if Orlock has any physical upgrades. For all we know he turned himself into a permacuck for nothing more than shapeshifting powers. Which would be kinda hilarious, even if it is unlikely.

Dragomira can overpower the MC in his human form, but whether that's because she's ALWAYS stronger than him or got a boost from tasting his drug-like blood on the couch beforehand is unclear. It's similarly unclear if the MC even has any enhanced physical strength in human form at all. In which case even Rachel could probably toss him around so that's not really impressive or conclusive in anyway.

Dragomira could not overpower the MC in Wolf form with raw muscle power. You can convince yourself "she let him" all you want. Maybe you'll even turn out to be right down the road. Only the Dev can say in the end. But right NOW there's no evidence of that. Dragomira is a Top. Not a Bottom. She likes to dominate. She likes to be in control. And having that control taken from her resulted in a scene that felt very, VERY rapey by the end of it. Though he did make her beg for it, so there's that at least.

I'm guessing you're basing your entire thesis on the smile as she watched the MC walk away? That's possible I guess...but a stretch. Given what we know about the characters thus far it's every bit as likely if not moreso that once the initial rush of shame wore off she did indeed realize that yes...that's the most fun she's had in centuries. Human women come to that realization rather frequently in the real world if you can successfully introduce them to a new kink in the bedroom. Why should it be any different for a vampire woman who didn't even realize how stale her sexual habits had gotten until the MC showed her? We'll find out eventually I suppose, but one smirk is pretty flimsy evidence for this grand game of make-believe you've presumed.

You think the smirk is because she just decided to act like a crybaby for no reason at the end. I think it's because Dragomira just discovered that life as a Power Bottom has it's own unique flavor, but needed a few moments to get comfortable with how she learned. There's at least as much evidence for my theory as there is for yours.

All the other assumptions about powers and limits are largely irrelevant because we simply don't know enough about the power capabilities of either species. We know there's a vast range of powers for vampires with Rachel at one end, Orlock on the other, Dragomira somewhere between the two(even though Orlock seems to be younger than Dragomira if I recall correctly). And other than "sacrificing your humanity" we have no clue what it takes for vampires to "level up". For his sake i HOPE Orlock is more powerful than Dragomira because how pathetic would it be if he turned himself into a permacuck and mutant freak just to speed run his way to powers he could have gotten some other way? lol

Similarly Werewolves also have a vast range of powers and it's even less clear what it is that lets them level up since it seems the MC does it WAY more easily than most. You'd think Nina and her ex should be WAY further along than the MC since they've been active werewolves their entire lives. Perk of being a Wellwood, I guess. But we don't even know enough to know what it is that makes Wellwood Werewolves so special. And we haven't seen ANYTHING of what a Lamda Lupus is capable of yet. For all we know the Lambda Lupus could easily be a match for Orlock.

It's all moot of course, because obviously the most powerful Supernatural creature in the setting is gonna be that King Shark knockoff. After he skullfucks the MC to death he's clearly gonna roll into that college and turn all the MC's bitches(Drago included) into his breeding pets, as Father Neptune intended.
 
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Hi guys, new release to update here:



Change log:
Hey everyone!
This release is a little different than usual.
I tried to fix the scenes at the start of Chapter07, adding a few more dialogues, new routes and consequences (3k+ words...).
There may have been a few (a lot, actually) Variable and Label changes, so I suggest starting Ch07 from scratch.
Don't expect "story" changes, though, the routes will still follow the same logic.

If you find any dialogues that reference the wrong choices/consequences, please let me know and I will fix it.
Thank you for your patience and cooperation!

-added about 5000 words
-added about 150 images
-added music in scene 11 of Ch07
-reworked scene 02 of Ch07
-updated dialogues in the rest of Ch07 that reference what happened in the previously mentioned scene

ENJOY!
 
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Hi guys, new release to update here:



Change log:
Hey everyone!
This release is a little different than usual.
I tried to fix the scenes at the start of Chapter07, adding a few more dialogues, new routes and consequences (3k+ words...).
There may have been a few (a lot, actually) Variable and Label changes, so I suggest starting Ch07 from scratch.
Don't expect "story" changes, though, the routes will still follow the same logic.

If you find any dialogues that reference the wrong choices/consequences, please let me know and I will fix it.
Thank you for your patience and cooperation!

-added about 5000 words
-added about 150 images
-added music in scene 11 of Ch07
-reworked scene 02 of Ch07
-updated dialogues in the rest of Ch07 that reference what happened in the previously mentioned scene

ENJOY!
View attachment M. Bison _Yes Yes!_ Widescreen HD reupload.mp4
 
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Let me know if it's fixed, bro. Thank you.
I just finished Rachel's route
I don't really feel like playing any other routes right away

but as far as

Rachel's route is


concerned it's fixed


but sofia still accuses me and has dialogue about me wanting to screw Every girl in the game

later on in the game but I think it's supposed to show how crazy and delusional she is

I may have to play Rachel's route multiple times to make sure but I think that's it
 
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I just finished Rachel's route
I don't really feel like playing any other routes right away

but as far as

Rachel's route is


concerned it's fixed


but sofia still accuses me and has dialogue about me wanting to screw Every girl in the game

later on in the game but I think it's supposed to show how crazy and delusional she is

I may have to play Rachel's route multiple times to make sure but I think that's it
Amazing, thx for info, man
Back to Rachel solo:cool:

Though, I don't see any updates on steam yet, so will have to wait.
 

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Here is my Walkthrough Mod + Gallery Unlocker for the v0.7.10

It took me a lot of time as i had to do both Italian and English version as the game was originally made in Italian

Hope you guys will enjoy the mod!

Edit: Added a option to change mc name as mine was "None" after the v0.6.4

Link: Walkthrough Mod + Gallery Unlocker
game updated ,sir. waiting for your amazing mod
 

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I just finished Rachel's route
I don't really feel like playing any other routes right away

but as far as

Rachel's route is


concerned it's fixed


but sofia still accuses me and has dialogue about me wanting to screw Every girl in the game

later on in the game but I think it's supposed to show how crazy and delusional she is

I may have to play Rachel's route multiple times to make sure but I think that's it
how can u have finished rachel route , if game is still in development?? :unsure:
 
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