Ren'Py Monster Girl Dreams [v26.2a Alpha] [Threshold]

[Josh_ua]

Trying to go through Venefica questline and it seems to bug out for me.
As I proceed to the last part of quest with Elly fight starts as it should. Throughout encouter 2nd phase is triggered and as she's finished up I get regular guild menu prompt. Anyfight result is ignored and everything basically rolls back as it was before this fight. What's wrong? Version 24a

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[VespidV]

I have noticed that in the left most corner of the 4th floor there is a tile a gray tile how do I get there because I have searched the 4th floor three times and have all the keys but it wont let me pass. Also what do the ominous clicks that do nothing mean.

It seems like it's just meant to imply the traps failed but as someone else mentioned a pages or two back Iabel also doesn't seem to move around in exactly the same way as her sisters and there's times where she'll be in your range of sight but just wander off in a different direction instead of following after you so it might be that she has a lower range of sight and then "hears" the sound and starts moving towards it until she sees you or something like that.

 

[BloodyRelight]

I like this game but the lore is kinda fucked like are we supposed to sympathize with the Monsters or want to murder them? Like Sofia has admitted to doing some truly twisted shut that goes beyond just killing people IE soul eating, Kotone is also guilty of this and many other atrocities. So am i to be a paladin and purge the land of monsters or just fuck things until i become just as awful as they are?

 

[BloodyRelight]

Some of them are not that evil or evil at all really but others i meet i just want to split with a sword rather than a dick.

 

[doomgal]

I like this game but the lore is kinda fucked like are we supposed to sympathize with the Monsters or want to murder them? Like Sophia has admitted to doing some truly twisted shut that goes beyond just killing people IE soul eating, Kotone is also guilty of this and many other atrocities. So am i to be a paladin and purge the land of monsters or just fuck things until i become just as awful as they are?

The only way to purge things in this game is with your dick and hopefully turn them into good people..... Or just play Shrift to enjoy some good ole fashioned monster purges.

 

[BloodyRelight]

The only way to purge things in this game is with your dick and hopefully turn them into good people..... Or just play Shrift to enjoy some good ole fashioned monster purges.

Turning someone good sadly does not undo the bad things they have done like soul eating is literally the worst thing I can imagine in a setting with a known afterlife and gods. she also brings up torturing priests and priestesses without any remorse, I do not know if there is any way to atone for these things...
I know this a porn game but I am kind of invested in this lore now. On another subject what is shrift btw?

 

[doomgal]

Turning someone good sadly does not undo the bad things they have done like soul eating is literally the worst thing I can imagine in a setting with a known afterlife and gods. she also brings up torturing priests and priestesses without any remorse, I do not know if there is any way to atone for these things...
I know this a porn game but I am kind of invested in this lore now. On another subject what is shrift btw?

I agree with you about not fixing the bad things in the past by just not doing them now or becoming a better person, but there probably will not be any attempt for atonement from the monstergirls. The lore is mostly campy with only a few dark characters thrown in so I doubt there will be a major focus on a dark aspect such as seeking atonement when none may be offered. You might make them a better person with your dick, but that's about it.

As for what shrift is I'll just leave a link.

Shrift

 

[NamesAreForTheWeak]

To be entirely fair, it's not like the humans were innocent. A large amount of the atrocities mentioned should be seen in the context of a war in which both sides did absolutely horrible things to each other, especially Kotone's backstory - and while there might be no way to "balance the scale" for soul-eating re: Sofia, I think it's if anything more worthy of respect if she'd know that, but try for forgiveness anyway.

As for SHRIFT, that's a different and much more kill-or-be-killed game.

 

[Quintilus]

Shrift

And what "wanna be porn undertale" have similar with "monmusu quest" kind of game?

 

[Jaded3]

I seem to be having a bug/issue with getting back to the 3rd floor of the labyrinth. Made it there once, talked to the 3rd hellhound for a bit, then left since I wasn't in too healthy of a state. Since then, the option does not show up for me to go to the 3rd floor, even if I clear the first 2 again. @ThresholdMGD. Lmk if you want the save to look at or some such. To clarify, I'm on 24a (which listed that particular issue as having been fixed). Also ran into the issue of nothing happening after beating Venefica.

 

[VespidV]

I like this game but the lore is kinda fucked like are we supposed to sympathize with the Monsters or want to murder them? Like Sofia has admitted to doing some truly twisted shut that goes beyond just killing people IE soul eating, Kotone is also guilty of this and many other atrocities. So am i to be a paladin and purge the land of monsters or just fuck things until i become just as awful as they are?

I don't really get the vibe that you're really supposed to forgive Sofia at all and are only supposed to empathize with her to the degree that it's kinda sad that she lost the ability to feel emotions and that her actions were partially because she was just raised in a society where doing the things she dis was expected of her. And with Kotone I feel like the game does want you to empathize with her because it tries to explain how her mindset caused her to do the things she did and how she ultimately regrets those actions because it caused her to indirectly lose her family and directly caused Feng's death. Personally I feel like Kotone actually has suffered enough from her actions(like even if she killed hundreds she's also suffered with the guilt and fallout from that for hundreds of years as well) unlike Sofia and I kinda get the vibe the game actually wants you to think that as well and also contrast her with Sofia but that's just my interpretation of it.

 

[afedvfe]

And what "wanna be porn undertale" have similar with "monmusu quest" kind of game?

This game is not really like MGQ, MGQ is way darker and actually closer to SHRIFT in tone (altough MGQ is more emotional and you kinda skip the porn in it, you play it for the story)

 

[Quintilus]

I don't really get the vibe that you're really supposed to forgive Sofia at all and are only supposed to empathize with her to the degree that it's kinda sad that she lost the ability to feel emotions and that her actions were partially because she was just raised in a society where doing the things she dis was expected of her.

Her backstory are basically "I was a soldier, I had an order....we went there a kids, came back a monsters %insert vietnam flashbacks%".

And with Kotone I feel like the game does want you to empathize with her because it tries to explain how her mindset caused her to do the things she did and how she ultimately regrets those actions because it caused her to indirectly lose her family and directly caused Feng's death.

Victim of abusive relations that decided that love does not exist, love is an illusion....hypnosis are far better that this.

 

[Quintilus]

This game is not really like MGQ, MGQ is way darker and actually closer to SHRIFT in tone (altough MGQ is more emotional and you kinda skip the porn in it, you play it for the story)

No. While yes, MGD is not like a MGQ overall concept is kinda similar.

But MGQ is not like shrift at all.
MGQ was about "HEY, stop being an asshole that milk semen from mens and kills them!!!!" with main point on "be peaceful m8, `mnkay".
Shrift is about "Im gonna make you my bitch...food...living sex toy...ehhh, something........unless, unless, you kill me.....also you can tame me, for whatever reason". While game heavily implies that "they just a blood sex hungry demons, dont kill THINK ABOUT FUTURE!!!!!!" its doing it.....strange.

Like in MGQ its clear if you get into monster girls hands its the end for you, youll be eaten and raped, without particular order. Straight and clear, kill to live, live to kill.
And in shrift its like "if demon catches you its kinda the end, but actually not, also you can fight back, or dont, or tame her, hmhmhm......".

They looks similar but in fact they not. Its like "I want slaves to be free, you want slaves to be free, we are not the same" kind of things.

 

[doomgal]

And what "wanna be porn undertale" have similar with "monmusu quest" kind of game?

Well it's more to point out the dissimilarities between Shrift and MGD. If you want to kill the evil demon ladies in Shrift you can and that's a pathway the game takes. You won't find that kind of stuff here in MGD so you wouldn't be able to kill Sofia or Kotone like Bloody was asking about purging the lands and such.

 

[Minishotgun]

while we are talking about Shrift here. while i do like the game, i gotta admit the game screwed up when it comes to making the monster-girls sympathetic. they act like "ahh yes, come here my walking sex-slave nutrition package" but the games tries to give you the "they're not that bad" angle once it comes to befriending them. no offense, but you just tried to either brainwash me, eat me, or turn me into a lamp just a second ago, and the corpses of the other people speak for themselves. the girls really don't leave a good first impression on you.

by all accounts, MGD does a way better job at presenting sympathetic characters, even if some of them got some dirt on them. not as dangerous as the girls on shrift, but leave a far better first impression. helps that most of them here are just Really horny. and not a danger to anyone but your waist area.

 

[BloodyRelight]

Thanks for the responses everyone and for the warnings and views on shrift I may check it out but it kinda seems like it demonizes you for killing literal murderous demons just based off what I read so far. On Kotone since some have brought up defenses for her I am torn cuz she is obviously very mesed up in the head but ultimately I still think she is evil because despite claiming she has changed in order to romance her you have to be Spoilers below

Enslaved by her hypnotism and if we talk to sofia we know what she did to those she hypnotized in the past once she tired of them. She sent them off to have their souls devoured. That in my opinion is horrendously evil not only did she break their minds and toy with them for years but then when she grew tired of this she cast them aside and gave them a fate worse than death. I am sorry but having a horrible experience with one human and losing your mother as a result of your own actions cannot even start to excuse this. Losing a friend to a human archer is also no excuse to permanently destroy peoples souls either. Kill the one responsible sure but make people your toys and then utterly destroy them when you are bored no.

She says she has changed but then what does she do to you? She lies and enslaves you like all the others who caught her eye despite the oni sisters stating she said she would not do so. Maybe one day she gets bored of you she already shows she values her word at nothing and is willing to lie who is to say she will not simply discard you as well like she did so many others?

 

[ankhtar]

She says she has changed but then what does she do to you? She lies and enslaves you like all the others who caught her eye despite the oni sisters stating she said she would not do so. Maybe one day she gets bored of you she already shows she values her word at nothing and is willing to lie who is to say she will not simply discard you as well like she did so many others?

I want to disagree but I can't.
Even if she seems all mellow and giddy now after you manage to "properly" romance her, there's always going to be that little doubt at the back of our mind, like, what if this is just another elaborate and convenient lie to catch us under her thumb and/or use us in some way, or what if she finds something else to focus her attention on and completely peels us off of her life like a used band aid?
While I can sympathize with her situation, because revenge and anger do tend to deafen everything else, there's a long road to cross between showing sympathy and wanting to be her foot stool (literally, in her case).

Although, to the game's credit, you're not actually forced to do either. You can just complete the thing and then never see her again.

 

[Nilox]

while on the subject, what is SHRIFT ? never heard of that one before

 

[Peregrinus]

Trying to go through Venefica questline and it seems to bug out for me.
As I proceed to the last part of quest with Elly fight starts as it should. Throughout encouter 2nd phase is triggered and as she's finished up I get regular guild menu prompt. Anyfight result is ignored and everything basically rolls back as it was before this fight. What's wrong? Version 24a

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I am having the same issue, seems to be a bug introduced with this new version as people have been completing the quest normally in the past.