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As long as the scene isn't rape or femdom (I'm assuming it won't be maledom)... I guess then that's fine.
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You do understand that little boys are actually MALE, right? If you mean an active member of the scene, then you are in the wrong game, the main theme of any MGQ is femdom rape (also known as reverse rape, which is ridiculous, the reverse of rape is consensual sex). These consensual scenes are already a stretch I wanted to make mainly because rape on lose is a terrible idea, since it rewards the player for losing, and now the ones who don't want to lose actually have some sexual content to enjoy, but I can't simply change the personality of the main character just for that.
And I know it might be a shock to you, but some people actually enjoy watching sex scenes mainly led by the female. You can have that without femdom rape.
No, just the usual consensual scene, nothing forced like Alice's scenes.
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I guess that being a reward for losing will be for those who like femdom and rape.
For the rest, the scenes of the game that are consensual have more of a passive MC than really femdom, at least that's the feeling it gives me.
Ok, then it's all fine.
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Well, what I mean is that rewarding the player for losing, kinda goes against what games are about. Yeah, people who aren't a fan of Femdom Rape won't consider that much of a reward, and in the VN that's kinda 97% of all sexual content. I expanded the consensual scenes so that people who don't want to lose or don't like femdom rape actually have some rewards for... you know... winning and progressing.
To be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of femdom rape either. I'm however a fan of horny females leading the sex scenes. So I kinda tolerate femdom rape to enjoy the scene, because it always has that (Same goes for shota in general, I'm not a fan of shota but tolerates it for the horny females). Though some scenes go way overboard for my tastes (vore, for example), so I can't really say I am one of the biggest fans of the sex scenes VN. I played it for the story and characters, really.
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I played both Monmusu Quest VN and Monmusu Quest paradox, but the plot paradox is so fucked up that I want to play it.
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So...... Good luck in creating a fan remake mgq....
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Yeah, man, the game is big, and right now I'm about 1/4 to 1/3 of what I wanna make, which is the entire VN. I wouldn't expect it to be finished before at least 8 years. But I do like working on it. Sometimes life gets in the way, sometimes motivation goes away, but in general, it has been really good working on it. I guess when Torotoro began his MGQ totally based on Dragon Quest, and appealing to a very small niche of people who like vore, he never thought that his little project could encourage people on the other side of the world to expand it as they did and are doing.
Thanks for coming here. If you already gave a chance at the remake, I hope you have liked it, and please, leave a review. It always good to know what people thought of the game. If you haven't played it yet, right now, it has a good chunk of content, covering all the first game. Depending on how you play, that could be 15-20 hours of gameplay. So it's not so at the beginning that it's not worth a try.
EDIT: I didn't read your spoiler about Paradox because I haven't played yet, and I'm waiting for it to be finished before I begin.
I decided to head back to the Southern Sea Temple to see if there was anything inside, and found this glitch (Alice hiding behind the pillar, while Alice is right behind me).
As far as my thoughts on the game so far are concerned, it's all right. Luka's angel powers being replaced with monster lord powers concerns me, but hopefully it's nothing too drastic. I haven't seen anything too crazy with the changed dialogue except for the stuff concerning Laura and the Queen Mermaid.
In the original, it's explained that due to Alan's death, the townsfolk regretted their actions in regards to their treatment of mermaids, and it's because of Alan and Laura's story that mermaids became accepted in Port Natalia. However, it's also said that the Mermaid Queen despises humans, and it was when mermaids became accepted in Port Natalia that she disappeared. But in the remake, it says that not only is Queen Mermaid the true Queen of the Southern Seas (with Kraken only being a temporary leader), but that she disappeared just a single year before the start of the game. Which, if we used the logic of the OG game, would mean it took 99 years after Alan's death, and Port Natalia only just a year ago started accepting Mermaids. Also, Kraken directly refers to Queen Mermaid as Laura and no one comments on this.
So yeah, that was pretty weird.
As far as my thoughts on the game so far are concerned, it's all right. Luka's angel powers being replaced with monster lord powers concerns me, but hopefully it's nothing too drastic. I haven't seen anything too crazy with the changed dialogue except for the stuff concerning Laura and the Queen Mermaid.
In the original, it's explained that due to Alan's death, the townsfolk regretted their actions in regards to their treatment of mermaids, and it's because of Alan and Laura's story that mermaids became accepted in Port Natalia. However, it's also said that the Mermaid Queen despises humans, and it was when mermaids became accepted in Port Natalia that she disappeared. But in the remake, it says that not only is Queen Mermaid the true Queen of the Southern Seas (with Kraken only being a temporary leader), but that she disappeared just a single year before the start of the game. Which, if we used the logic of the OG game, would mean it took 99 years after Alan's death, and Port Natalia only just a year ago started accepting Mermaids. Also, Kraken directly refers to Queen Mermaid as Laura and no one comments on this.
So yeah, that was pretty weird.
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The explanation is simple. In the remake, the monster girls have a normal lifespan (which varies from a species to another, so they aren't immortal as in the VN), so the Laura of the story, and the current mermaid queen aren't the same person (I'm pretty sure I changed one of the names to make sure nobody confuses both, I'll take a look into that). Her disappearance as well as the death of the bee queen and the disappearing of the other queens, reported by Tamamo at the end of the sabasa part, are part of the foreshadow of Black Alice which will be better explored in later parts of the game.
In the VN Laura's disappearance may have made sense in the past, but after Remina, it was a war against the humans she hated, so why didn't she come back? Why did she prefer to ally herself with Ilias and not Alice's mother when the war started? And the mermaids stayed 100 years without a queen?
As for Luka's powers... I have everything planned. It's obviously one of the big changes I made, clearly, he isn't the son of an angel anymore (as I stated in another comment, I despised the VN's treatment of Lucifer's counterpart). But don't worry, I assure you it's gonna be good.
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For those of us who haven't played the original game, this discussion is somewhat dizzying.
I'm liking the story of this game. If it's different or similar to the original, I couldn't say it (nor is it that it has too much importance for me)
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Unknown Developer Hello, still working on it I see. =3 I find the different approach in making Luka not the son of an angel interesting. I assume he will be connected to monsters now?
Imo it's a shame Ilias was so rarely used in the original. We only get a few information about her and most of it happens in the last chapter. Would be cool if you have ideas how to change that a little and perhaps adding more lore to it. Especially the little fight Alice and Ilias had at the beginning of the game was always somewhat strange for me.
Alice flies all the way from Hellgondo to Ilias continent just to smack Ilias once and then getting defeated? For the sake of less baptized heroes due to Ilias not being around? I mean... most of them are talkers and easy goers so it's not like the army is marching right now to kill the Monster Lord, who is absurdly strong anyway.^^
Very strange indeed Alice went there herself if giving the task of destroying the temple with strong subordinates from her castle would be an easy walk in the park.
Imo it's a shame Ilias was so rarely used in the original. We only get a few information about her and most of it happens in the last chapter. Would be cool if you have ideas how to change that a little and perhaps adding more lore to it. Especially the little fight Alice and Ilias had at the beginning of the game was always somewhat strange for me.
Alice flies all the way from Hellgondo to Ilias continent just to smack Ilias once and then getting defeated? For the sake of less baptized heroes due to Ilias not being around? I mean... most of them are talkers and easy goers so it's not like the army is marching right now to kill the Monster Lord, who is absurdly strong anyway.^^
Very strange indeed Alice went there herself if giving the task of destroying the temple with strong subordinates from her castle would be an easy walk in the park.
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Oh, man, the expanded lore of Ilias is written and planned since day one. I thought it during the development of MGQ 3D and was going to eventually talk to Mr. Mayers (the dev) about it, but alas... That game was abandoned.
I'm not sure what Paradox did about it, but I plan to explore a lot more her relation with the First and the humans, and make her kinda a mastermind of most events during the last part. (I hope this is vague enough to avoid spoilers), I mean, I did have that impression on the VN, but it was never stated and was too vague. But of course, it's gonna be hard to include any of this before the end of VN's second game, since most of it is Luka being pushed to question his beliefs, but during the VN's third game, her importance is going to be pretty high, and not just a
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As for Alice going after Ilias. She wasn't trying to stop the heroes, she was trying to kill Ilias and put an end to the war. She was young and stupid to think such a thing could be possible. I guess being called the strongest Monster Lord ever got to her head. Reality shock is good to have once in a while.
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Sounds good, there were way too many plot holes in the VN's. The endless lives of Black Alice alone can fill a book. There were Monster Lords before and after her but she is around forever. X3
Heh, Alice and killing Ilias.^^ Kinda hilarious how often Alice calls Luka stupid while being so naive.
that's what I find interesting about their relationship, they are different and the same at the same time(kinda confused I know), another thing is that one is the extreme opposite of the other when it comes to personality.Kinda hilarious how often Alice calls Luka stupid while being so naive.
Well that's a pointless change. No offense, but making it so that the "two" are unrelated just removes the latter's stakes in all this. Instead of the personal connection she had before, now she's doing it on the behalf of someone else. It's like if you took Hody Jones from One Piece, except there's actual equality between mermaids and humans, and his lack of stakes doesn't mesh with the theme at all.
And yeah, they have the same name.
Well let's see. Alan died 100 years ago, and this was because Port Natalia wanted to execute Laura. After he died, they realized the error of their ways and cut that shit out, letting mermaids live there in peace. 70 years after that, the Slaughter of Remina happened, yet as far as we know, the mermaids didn't get kicked out for the next 30 years. So SoR happening hasn't affected mermaids' standing in Port Natalia, and thus, she would have no reason to join "the war". As a result, she couldn't have joined Alipheese XV in "the war" even if she wanted to, because the latter didn't want a war with humans, choosing to sacrifice herself as a scapegoat in order to bring peace back to the world.
As far as to why she allied herself with Ilias, it's for the same reason every other monster that allied with Ilias did so; Black Alice approached them with the promise of overthrowing the current monster lord (and thus securing a new lifestyle for all the monster girls that want an even more one-sided life towards feeding on humans), and devouring every human that currently exists. As the Monsterpedia entry states:
{“The Queen Mermaid over all other Mermaids. She wields intense magical ability, and skilled sexual techniques. Ever since losing her lover due to a tragedy, she has hated humans. As other Mermaids have deepened their relationship with humans in recent years, she has only been associating with her own subordinates. However in recent years she has used the stored semen from her lover to give birth to a daughter, leading some to believe she is fluctuating in her beliefs.
After being solicited by Black Alice, she affiliated herself with her. With her close subordinates, she attacked Port Natalia. Due to her wounded heart, the insult she inflicts upon those she defeats is severe and harsh.”}
And the mermaids still had a queen, she was just reclusive. They wouldn't just replace her with a new one just because she didn't show up in public anymore; they already had so much faith in her that the whole reason they made the mermaid pubs in the first place was to prove that mermaids and humans could co-exist.
Yeah, sorry, but the notion that Luka is Black Alice's many greats grandson isn't a good enough replacement for leaving Lucifina by the wayside. At that point, Ilias' stake in being responsible for Lucifina's death is non-existent, Michaela has nothing to do with Luka aside from her brief connection with his dad, and Eden has even less to do in the game.
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Look, I can understand Baran (Dai no Daiboken) keeping a grudge on mankind for the death of his wife, but 100 years is a long time to keep a grudge, and somehow allowing her people (she is the queen after all) to live under the rule of the humans she hated so much. I still didn't decide on the new reasons for her attack on Port Natalia, but I still think that killing the great-grandsons of the people who wronged her is weak, and far too weak to convince so many mermaids to risk their lives and kill their own kind in that attack.
Here you are contradicting yourself. She didn't join the war after Remina because it had nothing to do with the mermaids, and Black Alice unholy alliance had?
As for Alice's mother not wanting a war, her hand was still forced. She couldn't simply order them to lose nor tell anyone about her suicide plan. So everybody who fought, fought trying to win of course.
"Ilias' stake in being responsible for Lucifina's death is non-existent" that stake was non-existent in the VN too, Lucifina chose to die, and leave her kid alone. As for Mikaela connection with Luka... wait and trust. It'll be there, and it's gonna be good.
And Eden... oh, boy... she is going to have so much to do with this game, I made a comment some time ago giving a highlight of what I plan to do with her, but summarizing: She is number 3, number 1 and 2 have fallen, now it's her chance, she wants to prove herself by defeating the fallen number 1. So, yeah her stake isn't against Luka (which I didn't see such stake in the VN either), it's against Mikaela, who sure is gonna get far more importance in the remake.
Again. She became a recluse. If she wanted to order every mermaid to not associate with humans, she'd have done so. Beyond that, you're right, 100 years is a long time to bear a grudge; that's why she allowed El to be born despite her hatred of humans, because she has to reconcile the fact that she hates all humans despite the fact that Alan (the subject of her grief) is a human. That's a bit more impactful than just some random, unrelated mermaid deciding to help commit genocide because reasons.
In one case, Laura was directly approached to join a side, whereas in the other, she was not. She's not going to decide to go to war with humans of her own volition because that's not in her character.
Yeah... that's not what happened at all. Ilias wanted Lucifina to reveal herself, so she infected her with a plague that would only affect her if she were human. Ilias, not seeing the value in humanity, expects her to remove the guise and face her, but Lucifina chooses not to, dying as a human. She'd already left a lifetime of being an angel behind her, and she's not going to put Luka at greater risk by revealing herself, so she decided to impart an integral lesson to him in her final moments: to embrace his humanity. That no matter what befalls him, or what path he takes in life, that he never turns his back on the people that make up the world because of the mistakes of a few. And her death is what ultimately birthed Luka's perception of heroism, which runs contrary to the rest of the world's. Every action he takes from that point on is because of her sacrifice, from stopping a fox getting eaten a spider, to ultimately teaching Alice the same lesson she tried teaching him across their entire journey.
Being a hero by doing what the world considers fundamentally unheroic, and changing that world's perceptions as a result. Sounds like classic Lucifer to me.
Oh yeah. I remember from forever ago, that one brothel owner said Luka could get his "reward" if he came alone, so when Alice leaves during the Meia sidequest, I thought I might as well go back to Ilias Island to see what happens. Alice followed me there, so I decided to come back, and now... there's two Alices!
(Yeah, I can see that, Alice, thanks for pointing that out.)
Ah well, I guess Alice gets to watch this time... or does she?
Because Alice is in the way of Meia, she can't complete her route, and as a result, the game softlocks. So I guess Alice got what she wanted all along, lol!
(Yeah, I can see that, Alice, thanks for pointing that out.)
Ah well, I guess Alice gets to watch this time... or does she?
Because Alice is in the way of Meia, she can't complete her route, and as a result, the game softlocks. So I guess Alice got what she wanted all along, lol!
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Monster Lord level of cockblocking you encountered, much suffer facing you will now, justice for best snek woman.
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Leaving a child alone in what looks to be the middle ages, in a city that despises outsiders, was less risky than revealing herself? There was no relative nor orphanage in Ilias village. And Ilias knew where she was, she pinpointed the plague after all, so what was the point? And what lesson did she teach him exactly? Because, for all effects and purposes, Luka simply thought his mother died from sickness as many others in his village, there was no lesson, no sacrifice here, just a last wish which Luka hated, as it was seen in his confrontation with Lily. She didn't even tell him to look for Mikaela, and again, Ilias KNEW about Luka, she kept giving him dreams, and tried to give him the Goddess Sword (she did give a dream to the Pope) even if it was ultimately a joke. I still don't see what such sacrifice accomplished.