Include a gratuitous scene that might not fit completely with the main story?


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Hattyrulz

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I wonder what she will think of herself when she realizes that she is basically becoming a whore for hire. How will she face Hutch? What will Hutch think when he finds out? Will she even care? This is not the price of love in any ones books!
the last interaction in the update where hutch again is saying let him be the man of the house which was used earlier by vivian when she take matter into her(pun intended). the code talk the script is clear at first saying do it but when hutch say let him be the man of the house and after he say don't do it or do it it's up to you vivian should have opted out and said that she wouldn't but we all know that if she did that would be the end of the vn. since we don't have choices hutch keeps giving vivian a way out but she keep make all the wrong choices. which in turn goes back to christian counseling/manipulating hutch at the carpark. the first 2 statement might be more accurate to the story in future updates than anyone thinks.... that's how i feel from how the dev weaves the feelings the manipulations the logic(real world and porn game).and regarding your last statement that's more close to real life i think. and which is why we are going nuts on the theories and reasoning.
I see you still don't get it.
relax bud..... everyone has their views and ideas and thoughts we are here sharing them. so lets keep the theories rolling and the possibilities "OPEN".
 

Hattyrulz

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There are a lot of scenes without sound which is really unfortunate, for example the first scene when Hutch approaches the door and hears the groaning sound is great. But it seems that the developer has no plans to fix this scene soon, what a pity
the dev said so himself that it's his hobby project and doesn't have the resources to do more like he stated in one of his posts. but fingers crossed he might do a touch up or rework this avn with more sfx at a later date.
 

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Wow, lots of posts since I went to bed last night, do we think we're Being a DIK or something? :LOL:

Great to see the game creating so much discourse!
You are mixing the wine&dine idea with the five-point plan Vivian worked out for Hutch.
Correct! (More below.)
The office work and all the speculation surrounding it are not that important or interesting.
Also correct, to be fair!
Keep in mind that we will have a maximum of 3x3=9 sexual acts per episode.
Where does that come from? I don't think we have anything that sets a limit on it...
Wine&dine is not for the customers/clients, it was only planed to persuade Christian.
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As per the screenshots, it's a plan to "show the human side" - see below, from the script:
Vivian: "Focusing on interpersonal relationships with clients... good...."
Vivian: "Making a personal connection with them... excellent..."
Vivian: "Family... I like it..."
Vivian: "This is good, Hutch. Researching the client's personal lives, hobbies, interests...."
Vivian: "... incorporating that into your social interactions and sales pitch. This is really good."
Hutch: "Yeah... 'cause it's your idea..."
Vivian: "No... it's YOUR idea... and you are going to sell it to your boss as YOUR idea."
Hutch: "How?"
Vivian: "Hhhmmmmm...."
Vivian: "By practicing what you preach!"
Hutch: "Huh?"
Vivian: "We'll use this on him... you already know a lot about him."
Vivian: "We'll invite him to dinner, cook his favorite dish, drink his favorite wine..."
They're going to "practice what they preach" - do for Christian what they're suggesting they do for the clients. It's all the same thing.
A good salesman must outdo others by offering something that the client likes. You take them to their favorite sports game, to their favorite restaurant, do them kids a fravor, whatever. If you stand still in good hope they will sign a contract with you, you clearly underestimate other salesman. This is how real world works nowadays.
Now you see it! Wine and dine the clients :LOL:
people keep saying wining and dining ... but in most cases this only happens after a deal is done not to get clients... thats for those who didn't know how most sales execs do it.... dunno about the rest of you in the chat but in my experience that's how we did it...
You would do it both before and after - one as part of the sales pitch, showing the customer your human side and trying to get them over the line to sign the contracts. Then you keep them sweet afterwards, keep showing them that you appreciate them and care about them as humans, basically working to keep them as your clients. It all depends on the scope of the business and the product. If it's something with a large amount of money tied into it, you would pull out all the stops and look to make the prospective client your friend (not literally, but just being on good terms with them) so they bring their business to you. You won't win them all, because your rivals are no doubt doing the exact same thing, but you'll get some of them. I've been on some of those events with prospective clients in the past, and I've been to very similar events with existing clients. The only difference was we'd be a bit less stuffy with the existing clients, because we already have a relationship, whereas we're still building one with the prospective clients.
There are a lot of scenes without sound which is really unfortunate, for example the first scene when Hutch approaches the door and hears the groaning sound is great. But it seems that the developer has no plans to fix this scene soon, what a pity
Is that a bug though? What needs to be fixed?
 

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A lot of good theories. We just have to wait for the next update before hopefully we get some answers - good or bad (or bad or good, depending on which way you look at it).

Vivian is primarily the main MC in this game (obvious by the shear content she has, as well as the title). So I can only assume any dark ending would be in relation to her. I'll still go with my one ;)
 

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You would do it both before and after - one as part of the sales pitch, showing the customer your human side and trying to get them over the line to sign the contracts. Then you keep them sweet afterwards, keep showing them that you appreciate them and care about them as humans, basically working to keep them as your clients. It all depends on the scope of the business and the product. If it's something with a large amount of money tied into it, you would pull out all the stops and look to make the prospective client your friend (not literally, but just being on good terms with them) so they bring their business to you. You won't win them all, because your rivals are no doubt doing the exact same thing, but you'll get some of them. I've been on some of those events with prospective clients in the past, and I've been to very similar events with existing clients. The only difference was we'd be a bit less stuffy with the existing clients, because we already have a relationship, whereas we're still building one with the prospective clients.
have to agree with you on that. i'm not debating the statements in relation to real life ... im talking about it from the vn point of view which is the porn logic. and yes having worked in sales hr and tech i know that there are different approaches to different problems ... my beef with this logic is that everyone assumes its hutch's fault when it comes to sales and losing clients. but its not. especially where there are only 2 companies vying for the clients and and in a business sector where one of the 2 companies can afford to have 6 offices. in this setting they aren't trying to get clients but maintaining them. hence my point is that the wife who has no idea what she is doing thinks that she know better and goes behind her husband's back to the boss. now after speculating so much i feel like i'm rping...and again ill state my theory for this wonderfully crafted game is that is was all christian's fault for fucking around with the wives of clients at such wine and dine events. this is not just my theory other members have posted this as well. apologies to those who may think i'm pirating your theory. and leaning into this theory if/when/by chance vivian learns about this mistake of christian .... all that vivian did till then will be for her benefit and not for marriage or for hutch. which can be a very dark in itself.
A lot of good theories. We just have to wait for the next update before hopefully we get some answers - good or bad (or bad or good, depending on which way you look at it).

Vivian is primarily the main MC in this game (obvious by the shear content she has, as well as the title). So I can only assume any dark ending would be in relation to her. I'll still go with my one ;)
can you link your theories please... big fan of fan fic theories.
 
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Does anyone know when is the next update??
Well, you could just search for that. It's penciled in to be every 4 months, so expect an update around June/July that kind of time. Yeah, it's a bit of time, so play other games in the meantime.
 
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Итак, с одной стороны, вы говорите, что это «типичная» NTR, но с другой — критикуете её за то, что она показывает эмоции персонажей. Вы противоречите сами себе, и, не хочу показаться осуждающим, но я думаю, что это из-за вашей явной неприязни к жанру NTR. Однако тот факт, что VN заставила вас так сильно почувствовать, говорит о том, что она делает что-то правильно.
I like NTR games where there are no worries, where the girl doesn't talk about how much she loves her husband (boyfriend), and then fucks a bunch of men, and after each fuck sits around and worries that she did something wrong. Here, for some reason, they decided to emphasise on emotions, but I don't believe in Vivian's worries. I only believe in Hutch's emotions, just a little bit. Because there's a lot of words about love, but no actions that confirm it. Only actions that confirm what a bitch Vivian is to her husband.
Okay, so you'd think that the first time she decided to fuck, she'd do it for her husband...but what about the subsequent times?
All Vivian does is fuck while enjoying herself and then cry, say she loves Hutch, and self-harm. And then she fucks Christian again. And so on and so forth. At what point am I supposed to take their inner feelings into account? So yes, I can assume that Vivian won't care about Hutch's feelings because her actions say so, not her words. I'm just pissed off that the whole plot is made up of scripted conventions.
Yes, the developer has succeeded in hooking me. If the point was to make me feel angry and facepalmed, he did it.
Keeping us all guessing what will happen next - 10/10. The camerawork and directing by the author is excellent. So I'm waiting for him to finish his first (romantic) game
 
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Chris say to Hutch he is to go to the club he has a surprise for him. Hutch gets a private dancer turns out to be Vivian. After the dance Vivian approaches him she gives him a lapdance after the dance he chugs his drink says thanks and plops down money for her then leaves. Vivian starts crying.
 

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I will admit it was brutal and traumatizing in the sense of what Hutch had seen. My opinion on Hutchs side there is only 2 things that can be more traumatizing for Hutch. One being tied up and watching his wife get up, yes he already saw it the difference is he could have walked away and nobody knew he had seen. This time he is being forced against his will to watch. Second which I believe will happen she will verbally humiliate him face to face possibly in front of someone(worse she doesn't know their son is there and he hears it after she's done she turns around and sees him. Another Nooo moment :ROFLMAO:). For Hutch that will be the last straw. For Vivian there are no many situations I am not going to even bother. Still feel Christian will meet his demise by Vivian or the wildcard the son. Then Hutch and Vivian will be united to protect their son.
 

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I like NTR games where there are no worries, where the girl doesn't talk about how much she loves her husband (boyfriend), and then fucks a bunch of men, and after each fuck sits around and worries that she did something wrong. Here, for some reason, they decided to emphasise on emotions, but I don't believe in Vivian's worries. I only believe in Hutch's emotions, just a little bit. Because there's a lot of words about love, but no actions that confirm it. Only actions that confirm what a bitch Vivian is to her husband.
Okay, so you'd think that the first time she decided to fuck, she'd do it for her husband...but what about the subsequent times?
All Vivian does is fuck while enjoying herself and then cry, say she loves Hutch, and self-harm. And then she fucks Christian again. And so on and so forth. At what point am I supposed to take their inner feelings into account? So yes, I can assume that Vivian won't care about Hutch's feelings because her actions say so, not her words. I'm just pissed off that the whole plot is made up of scripted conventions.
Yes, the developer has succeeded in hooking me. If the point was to make me feel angry and facepalmed, he did it.
Keeping us all guessing what will happen next - 10/10. The camerawork and directing by the author is excellent. So I'm waiting for him to finish his first (romantic) game
welcome to the club...
 

Hattyrulz

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I will admit it was brutal and traumatizing in the sense of what Hutch had seen. My opinion on Hutchs side there is only 2 things that can be more traumatizing for Hutch. One being tied up and watching his wife get up, yes he already saw it the difference is he could have walked away and nobody knew he had seen. This time he is being forced against his will to watch. Second which I believe will happen she will verbally humiliate him face to face possibly in front of someone(worse she doesn't know their son is there and he hears it after she's done she turns around and sees him. Another Nooo moment :ROFLMAO:). For Hutch that will be the last straw. For Vivian there are no many situations I am not going to even bother. Still feel Christian will meet his demise by Vivian or the wildcard the son. Then Hutch and Vivian will be united to protect their son.
thats some dark stuff there bud...hoping your happy ending theory comes true but its very rare. fingers crossed.
 

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thats some dark stuff there bud...hoping your happy ending theory comes true but its very rare. fingers crossed.
Happy Ending after all that hell no. But accepting it and moving forward sad to say that is a possibility especially if the DEV keeps it on the open path.
 
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Maybe they do have a happy ending... Dev said 1/2 of us would like it the other would not... 1/2 of us want him to dump Vivian.... 1/2 of us do not. It could go anywhere at this point. Dev did say our couple will be tried this next release... mostly Hutch.
 

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Maybe they do have a happy ending... Dev said 1/2 of us would like it the other would not... 1/2 of us want him to dump Vivian.... 1/2 of us do not. It could go anywhere at this point. Dev did say our couple will be tried this next release... mostly Hutch.
Getting back together or separating still no happy ending.
 
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