VN Ren'Py My Husband's Boss [Ch.2] [SC Stories]

[Sparta VI]

Yeah, that's the only bit that isn't known. But Hutch knows what Vivian has been doing, and Vivian knows Hutch knows it, so there's no secret there. Code is used as a way of softening the blow because of this as well - she's telling him that she knows he knows (saying that gets so confusing!) but without using actual words like "we both know I fucked Christian" or "I know you saw it".

Hutch and Christian don't talk openly about it either. I think the only relevant parts are in the office after the bathroom fucking and then the short bit just after, in the car park as you mention, but nothing is explicitly said there. The script is below - for those not used to it, "b" is "boss" (Christian) and "h" is "husband (Hutch). I left in four lines with a "#" that are commented out, because they are interesting to note as well:




I disagree on that first bit because I think they both clearly know that it is wrong. They are under no illusion that it is both wrong to do in general, but also very damaging to their marriage/relationship. We see it differently, but here I don't think Christian's manipulation comes into it at all.

And again, I totally disagree on the humiliation part. They have been married for over 20 years, during which time (so far as we're able to gather) they have been loving and faithful to each other. It would be completely out of character for Vivian to suddenly decide she actively wants to hurt Hutch. And to repeat my previous points, by this I mean she isn't going to suddenly do things because she wants to hurt Hutch, she may do things that hurt him, but the hurt is not her intention, not her reason for doing those things. She isn't a sadist.

At most, I think she might just try to ignore the hurt and humiliation Hutch suffers from all this. She might not want to admit to herself that she is doing it, but I don't think we'll ever get to a point where she actually wants to hurt him like that, and certainly not to a point where she derives pleasure/enjoyment out of hurting him.

I like your classifications and interpretations, even if I don't agree with everything. What is your guess as to how it continues and ends? Can you tell me how I can get access to the whole script?

 

[Dealbreaker]

And again, I totally disagree on the humiliation part. They have been married for over 20 years, during which time (so far as we're able to gather) they have been loving and faithful to each other. It would be completely out of character for Vivian to suddenly decide she actively wants to hurt Hutch. And to repeat my previous points, by this I mean she isn't going to suddenly do things because she wants to hurt Hutch, she may do things that hurt him, but the hurt is not her intention, not her reason for doing those things. She isn't a sadist.

I have a very different impression of the marriage. I don't know why people don't geht how hugely disloyal her first visit to the boss is towards her husband and how much distrust in his abilities how much dissatisfaction it implies - and this has to have been built up over years. I would by no means speak of a loving marriage at this point. Furthermore we know nothing about infidelities that doesn't mean they weren't there.
And this argument that she isn't a sadist doesn't get more relevant by repeating it. Nobody says she is. But there are many things inbetween loving and being sadistic. Resentment and contempt and disregard are by no means sadistic. But they lead to humiliating acts which she is very conscious of. Most people who hurt others would never adimit they "intend to hurt". This is no fruitful analytical tool for long term relationships.
As an adult when you come to a point where you do things with clear as day consequences you have to take responsibility and say ok, if i do these things I have to admit a also "want" the consequences because I willingly trigger them. That's who the world works.

 

[Justaphase]

Not sure that I've ever seen an AVN cause this much discussion and debate, especially for a first release. It's interesting to see how many different perspectives can come from this, even if it is totally kinetic (without choices)
Well done SC Stories on giving us such an interesting and engaging story, it doesn't happen that often with AVN's. Especially not NTR ones.

 

[TonyMurray]

I like your classifications and interpretations, even if I don't agree with everything. What is your guess as to how it continues and ends? Can you tell me how I can get access to the whole script?

I think at the moment it's too early, and maybe the next update will give us the clues to how it will end. My own thoughts are more how I would like it to play out than how I think it will play out. For instance, I'd actually like it if it stays away from the tried and tested routes, which means players like the students (all of them) and the garage owner do not end up as sexual partners of Vivian. I would also say I don't think Christian will be pimping Vivian out, as some have suggested - but again that's based as much on what I want/don't want as it is on what I think will happen. I can definitely see all options being possible though, which is why it's so hard to guess how it will continue.

For the script, I think you have to UNREN the folder first, which gives you access to the RPA files for each day. I just put them all into a single word doc and cut out the code outside of the dialogue as I said I would proofread it for SC Stories as a favour.

 

[Sparta VI]

Hutch's best and strongest moment, where he stands up to Christian, laughs at him and doesn't call him sir. After that, the mood was in the cellar

 

[TonyMurray]

I have a very different impression of the marriage. I don't know why people don't geht how hugely disloyal her first visit to the boss is towards her husband and how much distrust in his abilities how much dissatisfaction it implies - and this has to have been built up over years. I would by no means speak of a loving marriage at this point. Furthermore we know nothing about infidelities that doesn't mean they weren't there.
And this argument that she isn't a sadist doesn't get more relevant by repeating it. Nobody says she is. But there are many things inbetween loving and being sadistic. Resentment and contempt and disregard are by no means sadistic. But they lead to humiliating acts which she is very conscious of. Most people who hurt others would never adimit they "intend to hurt". This is no fruitful analytical tool for long term relationships.

I don't see that first act as hugely disloyal. People do things all the time that have unexpected repercussions to what were expected, and I think here, it's just something Vivian did in a misguided attempt to help Hutch. I don't think she did it out of disloyalty in the slightest - but I understand that's not the exact thing that you're saying, and I understand how you could see it as disloyal, I just have a different view.

As far as infidelities go, we know more about their absence than their presence. Vivian says "After over twenty years, he knows that I'm not the type of person to ever betray him" - although admittedly we don't know anything about Hutch's side. Obviously though, no one thinks Hutch has cheated on Vivian in the past, it's always just on the wife when it comes to those assumptions.

I have literally never used the word "sadist" here except to say once "she isn't a sadist", so I'm hardly repeating it. I'm just saying that I don't see anything that suggests Vivian is deliberately trying to humiliate Hutch, or that she enjoys humiliating him. There's a whole thing about the intent of it, which is the bit that is being discussed. Some are suggesting that she intends it or enjoys it, I'm of the opposite view. By the same token you use, the idea of Vivian deliberately trying to humiliate Hutch doesn't get any more relevant by people constantly repeating it. But it's a free forum, and there's healthy discussion, people are just sharing their views and offering counterarguments to arguments others raise.

 

[Adhdclassic]

For me when Christian approached in the parking lot Hutch. Christian gave me the impression he was worried about Hutch. Don't know if it was company fear or Hutch doing something to him. He kept his distance away from him.

 

[Dealbreaker]

By the same token you use, the idea of Vivian deliberately trying to humiliate Hutch doesn't get any more relevant by people constantly repeating it.

Yes exactly, and I myself never claimed that to be the case. But she accepts it willingly as a consequence of her actions. Seeing your differntiated way of arguing I thought you would see, that it is neither nor: She doesn't intend it in the sense of getting enjoyment. But also she isn't naive and ignorant of it.
What bothers me is that you paint a picture of a woman who doesn't know what she is doing, who is completely oblivious. AND: who doesn't have other negative feelings towards her husband which break out at this moment. You paint her as well-intentioned but miscalculating - I think it's much more complex. I think you have a too narrow concept of "intention". If a man cheats for his enjoyment in front of the eyes of his wife and other people would you also say, that he doesn't "intend" to humiliate or to hurt her? In the narrow sense, yes. But I would guess you would find that argument apologetic and sophistic. You would say: of course he knows that he humiliates her and he does it anyway and he doesn't care. And you would say that he doesn't have to hold her in high regard and respect her to begin with and for a long time if he does that. And I think it is exactly the same here.

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

lets analize new screen

1. New Character
2. Beer - probably Ivanhoe
3. New dress (?)
4. New earrings
5. Old couple in the background (there also in go-go club, so they are agents of the Matrix or background models)
6. Situation - Vivian is waiting for someone (99,99% for man - this dress is not for a meeting with a friend ) -suddenly a girl sits down and Vivian is not happy : "so you're Chris's new slut"


surprisingly little jewelry - no bracelets, no rings, no necklacke - no-wedd-ring ??, no bra, only earr....
new girl - full opposite


g-night

Maybe this is one of his ex lovers or once he got anal with her he dropped her and now Vivian is his replacement until he taps that ass and then he’ll drop her and pass her on to the office

 

[packard1928]

It is hard to read Christian just yet. In the first act Christian knows Hutch saw them in the backyard by the dishes and chair in the dining room. Then he deliberately does the in your face... she will sleep in my room and they have sex he can here. on the flip side there is the conversations between the two about men an duty . I think that conversation has an different meaning.. that says " I am going to fuck your wife and there is nothing you can do about it" ..

 

[TheDuke9999]

Maybe this is one of his ex lovers or once he got anal with her he dropped her and now Vivian is his replacement until he taps that ass and then he’ll drop her and pass her on to the office
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The boss going to have a harem of married hoe's to get them contacts signed and Vivian going to be the queen hoe while hutchy McCucky and sons are good girls and take care of house

 

[Hattyrulz]

We see it differently, but here I don't think Christian's manipulation comes into it at all.

its your thoughts and view of this situation. in my view this goes back to the dinner at boss's house where he says just my type of guy(which implies he did this to other couples which he boasts to vivian in the kitchen), and he know how to manipulate them(hutch and vivian being the similar to the other couples he had his way). and is using those methods on hutch and vivian to get what he want. so in retrospect it's clear manipulation is how i see it. we as readers are looking from the outside. but from hutch and vivians point of view who are the type christian know he can manipulate think of his works as comforting and trying to calm the situation while trying to make him look like the nice guy.

she may do things that hurt him, but the hurt is not her intention, not her reason for doing those things

don't think you are getting what i'm trying to say about vivian there. in the future updates she might be a willing partner with christian to humiliate hutch which is just speculation not saying like it is happening in the story so far, like duke keeps posting in this thread.

You're not wrong. The "project" is an actual thing, but it's pretty clear subtext that it's going to include sex. In discussion between Hutch and Vivian, they just refer to the sex as "...working with Christian" with the pause or italics included to give a little extra emphasis to it being a euphemism, e.g., "Look, I'm not excited about you two... working together..." and "I mean, how much work could there actually be anyway?"

ty for the script posting.

I don't know why people don't geht how hugely disloyal her first visit to the boss is towards her husband

that's the start. of this whole problem as she doesn't trust her husband to follow through with her plan. which is big no in real life but as SC Stories said he took some liberties with the logic in a profile post but also tried to keep it grounded as much as possible. the few times vivian and christian are alone she doesn't even realise after it over or she get a shock to the system... like the first kiss in the office(she is ready to make out then and there) or in the bathroom dreading someone found out about her affair. so yeah totally agree and have been against the google a solution and act like its better than the one who is doing that job(like a know it all backseat driver).

I think at the moment it's too early, and maybe the next update will give us the clues to how it will end. My own thoughts are more how I would like it to play out than how I think it will play out. For instance, I'd actually like it if it stays away from the tried and tested routes, which means players like the students (all of them) and the garage owner do not end up as sexual partners of Vivian. I would also say I don't think Christian will be pimping Vivian out, as some have suggested - but again that's based as much on what I want/don't want as it is on what I think will happen. I can definitely see all options being possible though, which is why it's so hard to guess how it will continue.

the maroon dress with earring in the sneak peek isn't in any of the renders of the game that we have seen... so it's a different location. and someone stated that it might be mayor's house which might be possible cos the mayor model keeps popping up in a few render blurred out by the dof(focusing) effect. and since its in the 3rd update that the dev has said... it might be possible... not confirming ... but it supports my theory about pushing hutch over the edge to make him the cigarette man. which goes against my other view about the possible humiliation path. the side characters might just be nudging vivian down the multiple sexual partners path.... i doubt that they will be part of the main story... might be involved in the epilogue.

I don't see that first act as hugely disloyal. People do things all the time that have unexpected repercussions to what were expected, and I think here, it's just something Vivian did in a misguided attempt to help Hutch. I don't think she did it out of disloyalty in the slightest - but I understand that's not the exact thing that you're saying, and I understand how you could see it as disloyal, I just have a different view.

yes different people different views... keep the wheel of imagination running.

For me when Christian approached in the parking lot Hutch. Christian gave me the impression he was worried about Hutch. Don't know if it was company fear or Hutch doing something to him. He kept his distance away from him.

that's one way to look at it but do you think a guy who said my type of guy when he take his wife to a fuck fest be afraid.?? logic break.... but this is clearly manipulation that's how i see it as i said before to tony post. your theory is also valid based on hutch's behaviour in the future.

 

[viperrr2020]

Do I really after download this game just to play it as I'm on phone and it doesn't work for me?

 

[Adhdclassic]

Hopefully the next update comes out before Mid March. Vacation yay but I won't be back till the next update. So hope it drops so I can continue visiting and participating in theses conversations and debates. They are so enjoyable and great way to relax during the day.

 

[TonyMurray]

Yes exactly, and I myself never claimed that to be the case. But she accepts it willingly as a consequence of her actions. Seeing your differntiated way of arguing I thought you would see, that it is neither nor: She doesn't intend it in the sense of getting enjoyment. But also she isn't naive and ignorant of it.
What bothers me is that you paint a picture of a woman who doesn't know what she is doing, who is completely oblivious. AND: who doesn't have other negative feelings towards her husband which break out at this moment. You paint her as well-intentioned but miscalculating - I think it's much more complex. I think you have a too narrow concept of "intention". If a man cheats for his enjoyment in front of the eyes of his wife and other people would you also say, that he doesn't "intend" to humiliate or to hurt her? In the narrow sense, yes. But I would guess you would find that argument apologetic and sophistic. You would say: of course he knows that he humiliates her and he does it anyway and he doesn't care. And you would say that he doesn't have to hold her in high regard and respect her to begin with and for a long time if he does that. And I think it is exactly the same here.

To be clear, I am arguing against one specific thing - that Vivian is intentionally humiliating Hutch. I haven't said that she isn't aware she's doing it, just that it isn't her intention to hurt him. I agree that she isn't naive and ignorant of it and I don't think I've been painting a picture of a woman who is oblivious to this. I just don't buy into the argument that by doing something, where you know that hurting someone will likely be a by product, you are therefore intentionally hurting them. Being aware that something is caused by something you do is not the same as specifically going out to cause that thing. There is no intent, which is the whole key aspect of it.

To tie that in with your example of a man cheating, you say that this hypothetical male cheats for his enjoyment, in which case I suggest that he might not do it to hurt his wife, but he clearly doesn't care much if he does hurt her. But presuming a like-for-like with Vivian, who is not doing it for her enjoyment (even if she does start to enjoy it) I would say that he doesn't intend to hurt his partner, even if he know that he is doing a hurtful thing. It's cause and effect, even if it's a pretty easy line to draw from one to the other.

With Vivian, even after she knows Hutch has seen her with Christian, she is still doing what she can to avoid hurting him, by not openly saying the words, by offering to upend their entire lives in order to get away from it, etc. Those are not the actions of someone who has a disregard for her partner's feelings. She fucked Christian for... well, technically for undisclosed reasons, but as far as we can gather at this point in time, she did it because she believed it was the only way to keep Hutch from being fired, and them facing financial ruin as a result. I see her thinking of it as a sacrifice she has no choice but to make (of course she had a choice, but people can make stupid choices in pressure situations), and if she can protect Hutch by keeping the details from him, then she will do so:
"He can never know. He doesn't deserve to carry that pain. It would destroy him."
"I have to carry it for both of us... I have to!"

its your thoughts and view of this situation. in my view this goes back to the dinner at boss's house where he says just my type of guy(which implies he did this to other couples which he boasts to vivian in the kitchen), and he know how to manipulate them(hutch and vivian being the similar to the other couples he had his way). and is using those methods on hutch and vivian to get what he want. so in retrospect it's clear manipulation is how i see it.

There's clear manipulation, yes, but I was saying that I don't think Christian's manipulation is why Hutch and Vivian were talking in code. That was just about the two of them.

don't think you are getting what i'm trying to say about vivian there. in the future updates she might be a willing partner with christian to humiliate hutch which is just speculation not saying like it is happening in the story so far, like duke keeps posting in this thread.

Yes, I know you were speculating - I disagree with that particular speculation based on what we've seen so far, but it's still a possibility.

someone stated that it might be mayor's house which might be possible cos the mayor model keeps popping up in a few render blurred out by the dof(focusing) effect.

It should be noted that we haven't seen the mayor (or his wife) yet, that we are aware of. So saying he keeps popping up in the background needs to go down as speculation too. The person you are referring to could literally be anyone (unless I've missed a confirmation on it somewhere!).

 

[packard1928]

Ok... Vivian... You guys will hate me ...but .... I do not see her first visit as a willing partner with Christian to humiliate hutch. I think she is a Loving wife that would do anything to help her husband. Look at her facial expressions... She is not happy about it ! Also... at that time she did not think She would get caught. So out of site out of mind theory. This also go back to my earlier comment on Who offered sex. Did Vivian tell Christian I'll give you what you want just leave my husband alone. Or, Did Christian say to Vivian ... If you want to save your Husband drop you panties.

 

[TonyMurray]

Ok... Vivian... You guys will hate me ...but .... I do not see her first visit as a willing partner with Christian to humiliate hutch. I think she is a Loving wife that would do anything to help her husband. Look at her facial expressions... She is not happy about it ! Also... at that time she did not think She would get caught. So out of site out of mind theory. This also go back to my earlier comment on Who offered sex. Did Vivian tell Christian I'll give you what you want just leave my husband alone. Or, Did Christian say to Vivian ... If you want to save your Husband drop you panties.

That's where I am too. For the "who offered who" part, I can easily see either of these being the case. The more I think about it though, the more I guess that Vivian might have instigated it... sort of. With the tests (the kiss, the dress, the "turn up/don't turn up" to dinner), Christian has already been manipulating Vivian towards this end. He says later "the door is right there ... just leave... no one is stopping you", and also "I may have to lay off people... salesmen..." He's always just hinting, just insinuating, but not actually saying what he means, he's letting Vivian work it out for herself. That means he can technically deny ever saying it.

So I suspect he never told/asked Vivian to drop her panties, but she did it because she knew it's what he wanted her to do. She thought he was asking her for sex, but he never actually did, he just manipulated her to arrive at that conclusion for herself. He's basically made it her idea to do it.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Ok... Vivian... You guys will hate me ...but .... I do not see her first visit as a willing partner with Christian to humiliate hutch. I think she is a Loving wife that would do anything to help her husband. Look at her facial expressions... She is not happy about it ! Also... at that time she did not think She would get caught. So out of site out of mind theory. This also go back to my earlier comment on Who offered sex. Did Vivian tell Christian I'll give you what you want just leave my husband alone. Or, Did Christian say to Vivian ... If you want to save your Husband drop you panties.

I agree I don't see her trying to humiliate him either, but she knew he would feel humiliated and embarrassed that his wife went to talk to his boss so he get to keep his job. That's why she didn't tell him. As far as sex in the backyard I think it was a piece from both of them. She offered I would do anything his response really take off your panties I can't do that I am married and my husband is right there. You said anything plus we both know he is in there thinking about what to write on that paper. She removes her panties he tells her to bend over to get a closer look. Then enters her that's why she had that slightly pissed face. Then we saw the rest.

 

[Dealbreaker]

I think it's wonderful that we have different views here which are robustly articulated.
That said, I think behind the seemingly academic distinctions of intended or not intended acts there is the actual battle going on about the character of the wife: does she want to help, is she just well meaning? How is her inner relationship to her husband? is she a fundamentally positive figure which is caught up in manipulation and misfortune or is she absolutely flawed? Is she capable of willingly hurting somebody and disrespecting somebody? That's why this is important. And I sense an unwillingness to paint her in grey colours so to speak. I see her not driven by an aim to hurt but by ego, panic, interest, hubris, sense of self-importance and, yes, an underlying growing contempt against her husband. This is as always mixed with pity, trying to be helpful, protectiveness for her family etc. but that doesn't change that.
Loving includes understanding. If you cannot see how these actions will inevitably hurt your husband and you can't even apologize afterwards you don't love him or you are stupid.

 

[Adhdclassic]

In a real world sense I think Vivian was getting bored in her mundane life empty nest syndrome didn't help. Christian offers excitement and the forbidden. Where Hutch offers her security and unconditional love. Sad to say that is a real world issue especially with long marriages.