VN Ren'Py Completed My New Family [Christmas Special] [Killer7]

[Killer7]

Okay, no, I don't have any dialogues like that in my game. Like, not at all. Holy shit it was difficult to read that stuff .

 

[PhoenixRage23]

this game is an absolute narrative mess.
it is, basically, "pick the top option for ever choice given, or else."
if your points aren't maxed out with every character, you get nothing.

Choose to not give mom a hug, or accept what she says when she "explains" the situation to you?
Well, now you are seemingly locked out of any relationship with Sandra. Not just in the form of sex/incest, but even in conversation. After day 2, she pretty much never says anything to you again.

Not in a relationship with Sandra? Doesn't matter what your relationship with Lucy is... you will miss Lucy content, because no relationship with Sandra apparently means Sandra doesn't exist enough, in game, for her to have a scene with his sister.

Doesn't like Fiona talking to you as if she has a gun to your head and demand that you strip for her, and so you refuse to comply?
Well, it seems you are still at her utter beck-and-call, for no reason. She has nothing on you or over you. Why the fuck do you do anything she wants?

And so many scenes start or end as if setting up for another scene that never happens, because you don't have the points.

Maddie says "yeah, your here, now we can play a game!"
Literally, her next line. "Nevermind, I don't want to play anymore."
Taking the opening to a scene and short-circuiting it like that feels unnatural. Many scenes (mary and fiona specifically) if you choose to avoid them, play out as if a sex scene happened, and was just skipped. Enough so that the dialog still feels like it hints something happened, when nothing did.

Speaking of Mary. She gives you a chance to fool around with her. If you turn her down, she acts so disappointed. Where is her self awareness?
According to the actual in-game plot, a week ago the MC was actively contemplating suicide, but figured if he were willing to go that far, fuck it, maybe give his mom a chance. Aunt knows this. Your former life is utterly gone, your back with a mother who abandoned you ages ago, and your adjusting to a new life, and a family. Does she get dialog along the lines of "I'm sorry. I've been too forward. I should have been able to see that you need stability, and to be welcomed by family, and instead I've treated you like this?"
No. She just says "I'm disappointed we won't be able to have fun together."
No empathy. Just a whore who is bored with you, now, because you didn't play her game.

Maddie is the same. Seems great up until you tutor her. Then you have the option to whip it out at her demand, or no. Choose no, and she barely has two things to say to you after that, just gives you nasty looks, and is seemingly gone from the story.

At this point, I'm thinking that the creator made a huge mistakje making a game, instead of a kinetic novel, because it is utterly apparent that there is no diverging story lines, and no choices that matter. Either do everything the game wants you to do (pick the top choice) and see the story, or pretend the MC is an actual character and try to react differently in different situations, and basically be told "oh well, you fucked up. I have no scenes planned if you choose this, so we'll just go back to the main menu now."

Oh, for the sake of it?
I still have no fucking clue who Yvonne is. She is just thrown into the game and I'm told I already met her, and I seem nervous about her presence, despite the fact the cafe is the first meeting.
And I STILL think that your mom's story is full of shit. And even if it isn't you should have the choice to not believe her. Instead your choice is "believe her," or "do nothing" (in which the MC just thinks "wow, maybe I should have said something," and it implies he still believes her.)

Why is any chance at anything with each character dependent on having the maximum score with them, at all times, and anything less than maximum is essentially 0?
Why is any game option (in a game about a depressed, almost suicidal young man who is trying to piece his life together) that isn't the obvious "my life is a porno!" choice, the WRONG choice?
Why can I not choose who I want to romance/fuck, without it damaging my story line with other characters?

And if there is ONE AND ONLY ONE correct path through the game, that is so strict that the game creator interjects SEVERAL TIMES telling to to start over and pick "all the top choices" to really advance, then why make it a game?

Killer7, it is obvious you don't have a complex, branching narrative for us. You have a singular story that has one beginning, one end, and no turns in the road.
So, why go through the difficulty of making this a game, and why not just do it as a long form kinetic novel? It is painfully clearthat you don't want us to click the bottom choice, or seek any diverging story. So just... don't give us the option to. I'd have a lot less to bitch about if the pretense of this being a game with choice was removed.

edit: and who the fuck is Melissa?
With lucy on the beach,pass out, have a nightmare, wake up and tell her about it, and it seems to make sense to Lucy and the MC, but not to me. Who is Melissa? I have had ZERO interaction with whoever that person is.

Facepalm all you like, Dev, but come on. Your game is a mess. Who are these people? Why am I supposed to know who they are?

Killer7 has always stated from the beginning this is a "harem" game right now. Choosing a relationship with everyone is the whole point of the game. It's not a narrative mess as you have stated, nor do you miss any content if you actually read the text that's there and choose to have a relationship with all the women you meet. In the future he may decide to change some things up with having more choices if you don't "want" a harem. If you don't like the lack of so called choices then take your time and money and "make" a game how you want too. I personally hate games that have too many choices and multiple endings or even game overs if I miss something.

 

[hamod]

Excellent, looks like it's worth a play. Looking forward to giving it a test.



Game 1 Reference:

• Male: "Ahh...mom...ah...mom huh...do you want to get pregnant? mommy! shake this big tummy and have sex...ahha...mommy...ahh..uhh..ah..oh...yah..ah..ahh...cum"
• Female: (no dialogue, non-sentient)

Game 2 Reference:

• Female:"Ha, nhh...s-stop...ahh...hiuhh! no! please, stop it, stop...no, nooooo...nnnnhh! Don't, no...I'm going crazy...nh, ahnh...please, ahh, stop, it...eeeeek...!"
• Male: "Oi, appreciate this properly...uoo, what!? This is unbelievable! It feels way too good!"

Game 3 Reference:

• Female:"I'm messing around my intestinal wall with with that tight cock!...Oh...uh...this smell is bad...It's like being fucked by an animal...my head...I can't turn...Huhhhhh!...there...rubbing with your cock is..."
• Male: "This is so wet and wet. I'm looking for my dick! I'm going to say something stupid! Guppuu! Zubbo! Oh, you are my sex slave!"

No, I'm not exaggerating, this is a verbatim sample of the sex scene dialogue from a few games I recently reviewed, and these were not MTL games.

I may have banged a woman once or twice in my life to the point she was incoherently babbling nonsense during the act, but to make a whole game of it doesn't make for an entertaining play.

Looks like no low quality shit writing with this game here

thats why male should not act in the women perspectives .. (he will totally act like how he wish the woman will act ..but not the reality the way how she will act)

 

[Spfjolietjake]

this game is an absolute narrative mess.
it is, basically, "pick the top option for ever choice given, or else."
if your points aren't maxed out with every character, you get nothing.

Choose to not give mom a hug, or accept what she says when she "explains" the situation to you?
Well, now you are seemingly locked out of any relationship with Sandra. Not just in the form of sex/incest, but even in conversation. After day 2, she pretty much never says anything to you again.

Not in a relationship with Sandra? Doesn't matter what your relationship with Lucy is... you will miss Lucy content, because no relationship with Sandra apparently means Sandra doesn't exist enough, in game, for her to have a scene with his sister.

Doesn't like Fiona talking to you as if she has a gun to your head and demand that you strip for her, and so you refuse to comply?
Well, it seems you are still at her utter beck-and-call, for no reason. She has nothing on you or over you. Why the fuck do you do anything she wants?

And so many scenes start or end as if setting up for another scene that never happens, because you don't have the points.

Maddie says "yeah, your here, now we can play a game!"
Literally, her next line. "Nevermind, I don't want to play anymore."
Taking the opening to a scene and short-circuiting it like that feels unnatural. Many scenes (mary and fiona specifically) if you choose to avoid them, play out as if a sex scene happened, and was just skipped. Enough so that the dialog still feels like it hints something happened, when nothing did.

Speaking of Mary. She gives you a chance to fool around with her. If you turn her down, she acts so disappointed. Where is her self awareness?
According to the actual in-game plot, a week ago the MC was actively contemplating suicide, but figured if he were willing to go that far, fuck it, maybe give his mom a chance. Aunt knows this. Your former life is utterly gone, your back with a mother who abandoned you ages ago, and your adjusting to a new life, and a family. Does she get dialog along the lines of "I'm sorry. I've been too forward. I should have been able to see that you need stability, and to be welcomed by family, and instead I've treated you like this?"
No. She just says "I'm disappointed we won't be able to have fun together."
No empathy. Just a whore who is bored with you, now, because you didn't play her game.

Maddie is the same. Seems great up until you tutor her. Then you have the option to whip it out at her demand, or no. Choose no, and she barely has two things to say to you after that, just gives you nasty looks, and is seemingly gone from the story.

At this point, I'm thinking that the creator made a huge mistakje making a game, instead of a kinetic novel, because it is utterly apparent that there is no diverging story lines, and no choices that matter. Either do everything the game wants you to do (pick the top choice) and see the story, or pretend the MC is an actual character and try to react differently in different situations, and basically be told "oh well, you fucked up. I have no scenes planned if you choose this, so we'll just go back to the main menu now."

Oh, for the sake of it?
I still have no fucking clue who Yvonne is. She is just thrown into the game and I'm told I already met her, and I seem nervous about her presence, despite the fact the cafe is the first meeting.
And I STILL think that your mom's story is full of shit. And even if it isn't you should have the choice to not believe her. Instead your choice is "believe her," or "do nothing" (in which the MC just thinks "wow, maybe I should have said something," and it implies he still believes her.)

Why is any chance at anything with each character dependent on having the maximum score with them, at all times, and anything less than maximum is essentially 0?
Why is any game option (in a game about a depressed, almost suicidal young man who is trying to piece his life together) that isn't the obvious "my life is a porno!" choice, the WRONG choice?
Why can I not choose who I want to romance/fuck, without it damaging my story line with other characters?

And if there is ONE AND ONLY ONE correct path through the game, that is so strict that the game creator interjects SEVERAL TIMES telling to to start over and pick "all the top choices" to really advance, then why make it a game?

Killer7, it is obvious you don't have a complex, branching narrative for us. You have a singular story that has one beginning, one end, and no turns in the road.
So, why go through the difficulty of making this a game, and why not just do it as a long form kinetic novel? It is painfully clearthat you don't want us to click the bottom choice, or seek any diverging story. So just... don't give us the option to. I'd have a lot less to bitch about if the pretense of this being a game with choice was removed.

edit: and who the fuck is Melissa?
With lucy on the beach,pass out, have a nightmare, wake up and tell her about it, and it seems to make sense to Lucy and the MC, but not to me. Who is Melissa? I have had ZERO interaction with whoever that person is.

Facepalm all you like, Dev, but come on. Your game is a mess. Who are these people? Why am I supposed to know who they are?

And this dear lurkers is what happens when you don't read posts or use common sense.

It is stated in this thread more times that I can count how you have to be nice to Becca to earn Sandra's kiss to really start your harem.


Personally I could care less about the solo paths and if they ever get made, but until that day this is a kick fucking ass dose of wholesomely lewd harem at it's finest.

 

[KnolleJupp]

It's a little bit scary because...
I don't know how often and with a peace of mind not only Killer7 explanes again and again that this is a harem game and that only the harem path is included at the current time. And that Sandra is necessary because she enables and causes the harem.
At the end it's a game, it's only bits and bytes. Killer7 has decided to program it that way. Of course there would have existed many other ways of doing it.
But...
600 pages and over a thousand patrons confirm that he didn't do anything wrong.
It's an offer. You can confirm or not accept it. That's everybodys personal freedom.
From my point of view MNF is the most soulful and "benevolent" lewd game that I was ever allowed to play.
Criticism is always good, but it must be formulated in a constructive way.
There is even a kind of manual included that tells you how to get the most and best experience with the game.
It doesn't have to please everyone. Killer7 constructed a game the way he likes it.
There are enough other games if you don't like this one.

 

[B00G1E]

Got to say this is the only "game" that i consistently come back to and enjoy ,is it perfect no of course it isn't no game is does it tick my boxes ,Yes it does i hope the Dev has had his break and feels refreshed as i really want to see this game finished and added to my completed collection of games i enjoy the story the characters and the setting ,sure i would like some more control over the MC as he is a bit of a pushover where the girls are concerned but i can live with it ,Keep it up Dev well done i look forward to the future.

 

[MrLKX]

Add to that the atmospheric music and the fact that the female characters here don't jump right out at you and almost rip your clothes off. Yes, some of the lewd content comes a bit earlier than others within the plot, but it's narratively still quite well explained and you never have to ask yourself who this character is and why she's getting into the MC's pants without you having a chance to decide.

 

[PhoenixRage23]

Another great update Killer7. Loved the poking fun at yourself about the accent. Laughed quite a bit again at the dialogue. Keep up the awesome work.

 

[qwsl]

Ah, here we go again.. common story: as soon as an developer appears with a simple game without grinding, violence, manipulation, cuck, drugs, etc. and other shit, with a simple love story - immediately this topic is filled with twinks of developers and fans of all of the above - they envy that people like positive stories, albeit completely incredible, not their exaggerated copying of crap from real life, unbearable for them. It's only surprises me, that someone is wasting their time reacting (especially a developer) - the "Ignore" button is amazing, try it!

 

[heimdal74]

sorry for my bad english !! (i'm french )

I still remember last February 2020, where I tested the game for the first time,

I was never a fan of the HS style,
but I forced myself to test the game to understand Lucy's presence and why she has cat parts,

and there I discover a story and what a story,
in short,

since I support Killer7 and its games since
and with each update
it's a waltz of emotion that runs through me !!

whatever bad tongues say, this game has a positivity that feels good in these troubled times

 

[fin133]

Ah, here we go again.. common story: as soon as an developer appears with a simple game without grinding, violence, manipulation, cuck, drugs, etc. and other shit, with a simple love story - immediately this topic is filled with twinks of developers and fans of all of the above - they envy that people like positive stories, albeit completely incredible, not their exaggerated copying of crap from real life, unbearable for them. It's only surprises me, that someone is wasting their time reacting (especially a developer) - the "Ignore" button is amazing, try it!

You are right, the ignore button is an amazing thing and I just used it lol

 

[PrimeGuy]

I think where a lot of the detractors come from are those who expect a different style of development. They don't realize that Killer7 is developing the "true" path first - i.e. the path that leads to the happiest ending with the largest number of girls. They seem to be expecting that rather than the above, that the development be timeline based. i.e. Developing all paths simultaneously up to timeline point X for a release.

Eventually, based on what I understand the "plan" to be, the choices they're so frustrated by having little or no content for, will become more meaningful as the solo paths are developed, but this won't happen until the "true" path has been developed to completion. At least that's the impression I have of things, based on following the thread for a while.

Sadly, I don't think there's a fix for it, since most people do very minimal reading before diving into a game here. Though I suppose explaining this on the original post might help eliminate one or two?

 

[JaxMan]

Just to think about it, MC is now a little less than four months there and he already made most of the girls he dates pregnant and is engaged to 3.

Not far into game and while I a saw the pregnancy tag I assume it just a one off choice so wasn't too worried since I'm not a big fan of pregnancy games, but mc getting everyone pregnant doesn't sound good to me, so is this avoidable and still have the relationships develop?

 

[Killer7]

Not far into game and while I a saw the pregnancy tag I assume it just a one off choice so wasn't too worried since I'm not a big fan of pregnancy games, but mc getting everyone pregnant doesn't sound good to me, so is this avoidable and still have the relationships develop?

Of course. You are going to miss some events that are relevant to the pregnancy, of course ( like visiting the doctor etc ) but the relationships won't be affected by it.

 

[Waifston]

Man, this game has a whole army of fans.

 

[LorgarAurelian]

Man, this game has a whole army of fans.

Well if you make a quality product a lot of people will like it.

 

[CidR]

Ah, here we go again.. common story: as soon as an developer appears with a simple game without grinding, violence, manipulation, cuck, drugs, etc. and other shit, with a simple love story - immediately this topic is filled with twinks of developers and fans of all of the above - they envy that people like positive stories, albeit completely incredible, not their exaggerated copying of crap from real life, unbearable for them. It's only surprises me, that someone is wasting their time reacting (especially a developer) - the "Ignore" button is amazing, try it!

The reason this game is good, is because it's pure wholesomeness.

 

[Uthuriel]

You know what's NOT wholesome?

This ugly piece of furniture....

 

[Bertrand-65-79]

Nopy link for version 0.14 is down.

 

[thorin0815]

You know what's NOT wholesome?

This ugly piece of furniture....


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Reminds me of my childhood in the 70s.