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By the way... Did they divorce in the 2 lines of dialogue between those two statements? It doesn't take master writer's skill to point out she's not married if she's divorced...

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And what's with all the girls getting surprised the MC is into them? A girl in her late 30's/early 40's is not an older woman, for Christ's sake...
I will try to rephrase this dialog. I will run through the scripts again before next release and try to adapt the points which you have noted. Thanks
 

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I will try to rephrase this dialog. I will run through the scripts again before next release and try to adapt the points which you have noted. Thanks
I appreciate your attitude. I see there is a ton of work put into the game, and I'd love to watch it getting better. At the same time, I have to admit: the issues with this game are deeply rooted in it's dialogue, which is virtually impossible to fix without completely remaking the game. Here's an example: people don't talk during sex. Maybe a line or two, saying how they feel, but It's not a constant exchange of lines, because when you have sex you're too busy enjoying the moment, and the motions make it really difficult to talk. Additionally, talking extensively about sex just before it is also unlikely, unless you're hiring a prostitute. Then there's the problem of the thought bubbles, which are frequently followed by something along the lines of 'what are you thinking?'. That is just lazy.

But here's also some issues not related to dialogue: the date with Hana is just a massive middle finger to the viewer. Building up to it, building up... and then it ends. This is exactly what I meant several posts ago when I said ' I just hope I'm not gonna sift through lines upon lines of dialogue, only to get 'Continued in future versions''.

Then there's the cruise. Haven't saved up for the triple fun one yet, but the first one was just... dumb? How can you get lost paddling towards an island right in front of you? How does a flashlight work underwater? Why is there an unseen captain who randomly goes looking for you? It's just... confusing. Also, and this is more of an aesthetic thing, the highly realistic, detailed textures kinda clash with cartoonish, almost cell-shaded looking characters, but that might just be me.

And one thing downright INFURIATED me. When Eleanor's daughter, Whatshername, asks whether you and Eleanor are dating, you can answer truthfully that you don't, or you can say that you are. Except when you pick the latter, game smacks you across your fingers, says 'NO! This is NOT the right choice!' and goes with the former option. What the fuck is this bullshit, man? If you don't want us to have a choice, WHY DID YOU GIVE US A CHOICE? It ruins the sense of agency and makes me doubt any future choices.

And I 100% agree with:
Definitely not feeling the Eleanor route. Going after the boss/investor was hot until she Accidentally impaled herself on MC's cock in cowgirl and blamed it on him. Worse, he just accepts it, and suddenly after no actual sign of him slacking off he's suddenly "unreliable."
It was stupid, confusing and just out of place entirely. And I must say, I do like Eleanor, and the 'mommy' route for her, and would love to see it more fleshed out. But the above seems to exist purely to create a rift between characters. She was the one in control. She's way too smart to be this delusional. As a side note, MC should have absolutely stopped when she told him to, but that doesn't change anything. And by the way, similar happens with MC's sister, Nagginbitch: when she gives you the puzzle she makes it clear she wants sex with you, but few lines of dialogue later she says 'dont even think about it'. Does everyone in the game have to have violent mood swings?

Oh, and how come protagonist's sister didn't have sex with her husband? Isn't that literally the first thing you do after getting married? Or were you so desperate to have as many virgins in your game you ignored basic logic?

Finally, I may not be a good writer, but I used to write stories when I was a teenager. I could try going through some of the dialogue and sprucing it up a bit. I don't think flooding you with examples of bad writing is very productive at this point in terms of this game, but I hope you will consider this a learning exercise and do better on your next one.

I hope I don't come off as antagonistic or a hater, I really like the game and I really hope someone - maybe me - helps the dev with the dialogues.
 
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As a side note, MC should have absolutely stopped when she told him to
I may have not been watching close enough, but it didn't look like the MC was doing anything at all--and in fact, couldn't. If he was doing something after he was told to stop, that's so much worse because I don't recall getting a "rape her?" choice, and there's no rape tag, and I didn't start the game planning on being rapey.

Oh, and how come protagonist's sister didn't have sex with her husband? Isn't that literally the first thing you do after getting married? Or were you so desperate to have as many virgins in your game you ignored basic logic?
I don't know, I kind of liked that part. And I'm not so sure that "they MUST have had sex!" is just basic logic. Different strokes for different folks. There's definitely some couples out there that probably didn't behave in the way you'd normally expect. Maybe they got married very soon in their relationship and she's still antsy about the whole thing.

Maybe they were already having major, relationship-fatal issues before they got married. Maybe instead of an Amelie the husband would have been better off with an Amelio.

If the LIs aren't going to instantly get on their knees at the sight of the MC, might as well give them a reason to hesitate that inflates the ego of my porn VN persona.

And yes logic and reason be damned. XD

I actually thought it was a lot weirder that the investor/boss was a virgin. Would have been slightly kinkier for the redhead to be her blood-related daughter.
 
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I appreciate your attitude. I see there is a ton of work put into the game, and I'd love to watch it getting better. At the same time, I have to admit: the issues with this game are deeply rooted in it's dialogue, which is virtually impossible to fix without completely remaking the game. Here's an example: people don't talk during sex. Maybe a line or two, saying how they feel, but It's not a constant exchange of lines, because when you have sex you're too busy enjoying the moment, and the motions make it really difficult to talk. Additionally, talking extensively about sex just before it is also unlikely, unless you're hiring a prostitute. Then there's the problem of the thought bubbles, which are frequently followed by something along the lines of 'what are you thinking?'. That is just lazy.

But here's also some issues not related to dialogue: the date with Hana is just a massive middle finger to the viewer. Building up to it, building up... and then it ends. This is exactly what I meant several posts ago when I said ' I just hope I'm not gonna sift through lines upon lines of dialogue, only to get 'Continued in future versions''.

Then there's the cruise. Haven't saved up for the triple fun one yet, but the first one was just... dumb? How can you get lost paddling towards an island right in front of you? How does a flashlight work underwater? Why is there an unseen captain who randomly goes looking for you? It's just... confusing. Also, and this is more of an aesthetic thing, the highly realistic, detailed textures kinda clash with cartoonish, almost cell-shaded looking characters, but that might just be me.

And one thing downright INFURIATED me. When Eleanor's daughter, Whatshername, asks whether you and Eleanor are dating, you can answer truthfully that you don't, or you can say that you are. Except when you pick the latter, game smacks you across your fingers, says 'NO! This is NOT the right choice!' and goes with the former option. What the fuck is this bullshit, man? If you don't want us to have a choice, WHY DID YOU GIVE US A CHOICE? It ruins the sense of agency and makes me doubt any future choices.

And I 100% agree with:


It was stupid, confusing and just out of place entirely. And I must say, I do like Eleanor, and the 'mommy' route for her, and would love to see it more fleshed out. But the above seems to exist purely to create a rift between characters. She was the one in control. She's way too smart to be this delusional. As a side note, MC should have absolutely stopped when she told him to, but that doesn't change anything. And by the way, similar happens with MC's sister, Nagginbitch: when she gives you the puzzle she makes it clear she wants sex with you, but few lines of dialogue later she says 'dont even think about it'. Does everyone in the game have to have violent mood swings?

Oh, and how come protagonist's sister didn't have sex with her husband? Isn't that literally the first thing you do after getting married? Or were you so desperate to have as many virgins in your game you ignored basic logic?

Finally, I may not be a good writer, but I used to write stories when I was a teenager. I could try going through some of the dialogue and sprucing it up a bit. I don't think flooding you with examples of bad writing is very productive at this point in terms of this game, but I hope you will consider this a learning exercise and do better on your next one.

I hope I don't come off as antagonistic or a hater, I really like the game and I really hope someone - maybe me - helps the dev with the dialogues.
I may have not been watching close enough, but it didn't look like the MC was doing anything at all--and in fact, couldn't. If he was doing something after he was told to stop, that's so much worse because I don't recall getting a "rape her?" choice, and there's no rape tag, and I didn't start the game planning on being rapey.



I don't know, I kind of liked that part. And I'm not so sure that "they MUST have had sex!" is just basic logic. Different strokes for different folks. There's definitely some couples out there that probably didn't behave in the way you'd normally expect. Maybe they got married very soon in their relationship and she's still antsy about the whole thing.

Maybe they were already having major, relationship-fatal issues before they got married. Maybe instead of an Amelie the husband would have been better off with an Amelio.

If the LIs aren't going to instantly get on their knees at the sight of the MC, might as well give them a reason to hesitate that inflates the ego of my porn VN persona.

And yes logic and reason be damned. XD

I actually thought it was a lot weirder that the investor/boss was a virgin. Would have been slightly kinkier for the redhead to be her blood-related daughter.
I will keep an eye out for such issues, when you point it out it does feel annoying, Next version will take some time so I'll adapt these observations.
 

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How to do the coding showdown in android version I click everywhere yet I never get enough point or where to click since I can't get it to work
 

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I gotta admit, I just played through the part where you help Linda after she hurt her leg and it really feels like she wants to say 'I really want to do more with you but the dev says we're not allowed to'. You really need to learn what happens when two people with passion are naked and next to each other.
And if you actually do, then I feel sorry for the person you do it with.
It's like, on one hand she wants to do more because she has desires and urges, but comes up with bullshit excuses like 'Im getting too greedy', 'youre not allowed to look at me' etc. I really hope when you work on the second game there will be no bullshit like this.

I may have not been watching close enough, but it didn't look like the MC was doing anything at all--and in fact, couldn't. If he was doing something after he was told to stop, that's so much worse because I don't recall getting a "rape her?" choice, and there's no rape tag, and I didn't start the game planning on being rapey.



I don't know, I kind of liked that part. And I'm not so sure that "they MUST have had sex!" is just basic logic. Different strokes for different folks. There's definitely some couples out there that probably didn't behave in the way you'd normally expect. Maybe they got married very soon in their relationship and she's still antsy about the whole thing.

Maybe they were already having major, relationship-fatal issues before they got married. Maybe instead of an Amelie the husband would have been better off with an Amelio.

If the LIs aren't going to instantly get on their knees at the sight of the MC, might as well give them a reason to hesitate that inflates the ego of my porn VN persona.

And yes logic and reason be damned. XD

I actually thought it was a lot weirder that the investor/boss was a virgin. Would have been slightly kinkier for the redhead to be her blood-related daughter.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It is definitely weird for someone like Eleanor to be a virgin. still tho, most people have sex on the honeymoon so I still find sis's virginity to be even weirder.
 
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Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It is definitely weird for someone like Eleanor to be a virgin. still tho, most people have sex on the honeymoon so I still find sis's virginity to be even weirder.
Not everyone follows the wedding guidebook to the letter. Amelie's so young, I thought it was a mistype that she had been married in the first place. I just chalk the virgin bride thing up to "Actually she's been crushing on her brother the whole time and the marriage was doomed before it began."

All hail the mighty MC cock. 8==D~~
 
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Just discovered this game. Haven't downloaded it yet, but it did intrigue me, although I have a couple questions. This is tagged with "multiple endings". Can you spoil me as to what the endings might be? Is this forced harem? Can you pick and choose who you want to spend with? The game supposedly features "almost zero" grinding. How true is this?
 

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Just discovered this game. Haven't downloaded it yet, but it did intrigue me, although I have a couple questions. This is tagged with "multiple endings". Can you spoil me as to what the endings might be? Is this forced harem? Can you pick and choose who you want to spend with? The game supposedly features "almost zero" grinding. How true is this?
Multiple endings for certain girls, because the story has not progressed far enough to reach an actual END. I would say the grind is quite less, you should be able to progress very fast if you play multiple girls in parallel.
 
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HELP, I'm trying to finish up sister's route, but it sat event 1 take her on cruise, but when I pay for new cruise its says I can't bring her, so I figured I should progress her story but her event 2 is cut off and I can't read it, and when I go on the phone, she doesn't appear in the deeper explanation section. In fact, if the developer finds this what up with that, the deeper explanation part on the phone only shows 8 girls so any girl not there I can't see there full "event" requirement if it cuts off on the main one explanation box like this sis issue I'm having. If anyone knows how to continue the story or find how to get to the second page on phone please help
 

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HELP, I'm trying to finish up sister's route, but it sat event 1 take her on cruise, but when I pay for new cruise its says I can't bring her, so I figured I should progress her story but her event 2 is cut off and I can't read it, and when I go on the phone, she doesn't appear in the deeper explanation section. In fact, if the developer finds this what up with that, the deeper explanation part on the phone only shows 8 girls so any girl not there I can't see there full "event" requirement if it cuts off on the main one explanation box like this sis issue I'm having. If anyone knows how to continue the story or find how to get to the second page on phone please help
Hi, I would like to understand the problem better, save file would help me check the issue. You can look up deeper hints from the phone, it shows 8 girls but you have to scroll to reach her as she's towards the end of display
 
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