botc76

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I know what Sumodeine has said, that the sibs won't end up together, but I'm not sure that means Nikki doesn't want them to.
For me it's clear she has feelings for Tales and wants more, not saying that it will be an option in the end, but Nikki sure as hell would want it to be.

Also, despite her reasoning I wasn't too keen on her actions with Molly tbh.
I realize the Gentleman and Deviant paths are a thing of the past, but right now it feels like I have very little power to change the MC's actions and that's a change I don't like that much. I would prefer if I was able to slowly get closer to Molly.
And this time again, there was next to no difference between the paths. Same scenes with dialogue so close that I didn't notice any difference.

That being said, this is me complaining on a very high level, apart from those points, this was a good update and this game continues to be one of my top 10.
 

Holy Bacchus

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The dev has said many, many, many times now that they will never end up together they are only ever going to experiment. That isn't the story he wants to tell and wont be changing his mind.
They why have Taylor picture her when another woman is blowing him? Or reveal that Nikki is playing an incest romance game? Or the part where she hesitates when explaining why she got so worked up, like she wants to say something more meaningful but then changes the subject?
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Something is clearly being set-up that involves them developing deeper feelings for one another, whether that leads to them becoming a couple or not, but the fact that it seems to be going this way is giving people hope that they will end up together and that Sumodeine will have a change of heart on this and make it happen for the fans.
 

TranceTitan

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Is Ren'Py the RPGmaker of porn. I see so many of these games that look the exact same but I'm not complaining just asking as it must be fairly easy to make a game in no time.
 

Alfius

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They why have Taylor picture her when another woman is blowing him? Or reveal that Nikki is playing an incest romance game? Or the part where she hesitates when explaining why she got so worked up, like she wants to say something more meaningful but then changes the subject?


Something is clearly being set-up that involves them developing deeper feelings for one another, whether that leads to them becoming a couple or not, but the fact that it seems to be going this way is giving people hope that they will end up together and that Sumodeine will have a change of heart on this and make it happen for the fans.
I agree with all your points, but it might be that the Dev has other plans for the two of them. IMHO There is definitely a spark between the two, but a lot of things can happen (like in RL) that causes it not to work out between them.

I'm not a fan of the Dev being swayed by Fans either way, especially if the he has already mapped out the story.

Having said that, some writers changes their stories as the story progress, with their stories being a living, changing , breathing thing. George RR Martins comes to mind as someone that changes his story as the story progresses. But it should IMO not be due to Fan pressure.

In this case, I'm enjoying the story immensely, and trust the Dev to complete it the way he wants to regardless of "Fan" pressure. Irrespective if he changes the story as his going forward or sticking to an already written plot.
 

Avaron1974

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that Sumodeine will have a change of heart on this and make it happen for the fans.
Then I would lose all respect for him and avoid all future projects.

I have no interest in anyone that would go against what they have said from the start and change it for a few fans.

As far as i'm concerned, he's said from day 1 they will not be a couple and i'm going to take him at his word. He breaks that he breaks trust.
 

goobdoob

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Then I would lose all respect for him and avoid all future projects.

I have no interest in anyone that would go against what they have said from the start and change it for a few fans.

As far as i'm concerned, he's said from day 1 they will not be a couple and i'm going to take him at his word. He breaks that he breaks trust.
But you'd still be OK with him knocking her up, right? :cool:
 

Alfius

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I have no interest in anyone that would go against what they have said from the start and change it for a few fans.

As far as i'm concerned, he's said from day 1 they will not be a couple and i'm going to take him at his word. He breaks that he breaks trust.
I agree with about changing his story due to Fan pressure. I do not like it either.

I don't know the Dev, and I do not know his writhing style, but I know that different writers have different writing styles.
Some maps out the whole story before hand then just fill in the detail as they go along.
Others have a rough outline about their story and the ending, but little detail in that outline and basically writes the detail of the story as they go along changing details as the story develops ala GRRM style.

Its the same with development. Some developers spend ages planning and designing everything beforehand and then just devs to complete the puzzle. Others like myself just jump into coding after a very rough design and make up things and change things as they go along.

I have no idea how the Dev approached this game, so can not say if everything is already written and how much detail he still needs to write. I'm enjoying what he has done so far and would just like to see the end product the way the Dev wants it done.
Sometimes the initial spec does not fit the requirement at the end and needs to be changed and sometimes the initial spec is perfect. I would be happy either way, as long as it remains the Developer's vision.
 

Avaron1974

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But you'd still be OK with him knocking her up, right? :cool:
I've got no problems with the sex and knocking her up but I want the story the dev set out to tell not the story people want to push him to tell.

I like this because it's not the typical incest game and trying to end up with the sister, it's doing something different. I want to know what else he's got not follow generic incest bullshit.
 

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I've got no problems with the sex and knocking her up but I want the story the dev set out to tell not the story people want to push him to tell.

I like this because it's not the typical incest game and trying to end up with the sister, it's doing something different. I want to know what else he's got not follow generic incest bullshit.
I have the answer... Molly once she gets more exp, will realise what Nikki did and kill her...
#WeNeedMoreYanderes
 

TiffanyMonroe

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So, just finished the new update and I'm probably going to have to call this the best one yet because...
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Also, despite what @Sumodeine keeps saying about Taylor and Nikki not ending up together, this VN sure is going out of its way to imply that they will. Taylor imagines Nikki when the Professor is blowing him, Nikki is playing the incest romance game " ", and some of her dialogue feels like she wants to confess deeper feelings but she stops herself and reverts to typical Nikki-mode. So it's becoming increasingly hard to see how they're not being set-up to possibly become a couple later down the line, unless...
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Either way, I'm still interested to see how this goes and am still hopeful that a proper Taylor/Nikki relationship is possible.
I think the dev heard our cries and slowly changing his mind.
 

Alfius

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I think the dev heard our cries and slowly changing his mind.
I'm not so sure. I only started playing this game since the previous update.
My feeling is that ppl are clamoring for the romantic option after the latest release, but he wrote all the clues in the release before people were shouting for a Nikki Romance path. So it might be just part of his planned story.

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know if there were a lot of calls for a romatic Nikki path before. I have not seen that many since I started playing. It's only after this latest update that I saw a swing for that..
 

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Greetings All, First post here. Sumodein, great story writing, yes Taylors obliviousness is what makes him endearing. Keep up the great work. I hope you will take a couple suggestions for the future whether it be this game or other projects.

A: you have a pretty good starting cast, and I would love to see you expand the story lines within the 'universe' even if its just little crossovers.

B: I forget, but something about liking your cast of models, and can't wait to seeing what you can do as you get better at DAZ3d

First: Sumodein should finish his vision of the game, BUT there is nothing saying he won't use this input for future games and or story expansions as future projects. So I say keep the ideas flowing.

Second: Ashley, this little psycho will be busted, and since she already called Taylor from one crime scene, this could be problems for the lad

Finally, I can see where they don't "end up together" and it not being a bad thing.

lets remember, this is current times in a developed country, socially incest is frowned upon. So they would not be able to live a life as a couple publicly and would have to live the taboo life in private.

and we have some setups in the game where not ending up together does not mean they stop messing around or even have profound love for each other.

Another instance Tyler has already had interactions with Jesiica + Nikki and Jessica found it hot, so you can see Jessica being cool with it, and now we have Nikki getting Molly comfortable with her 'Helping' with Talyor and Molly's relationship as well.

so there is a route where Talyor could end up with Jessica and/or Molly and maintain relations with Nikki involved.

Also as some have said they would like to see mom involved and/or maybe Mrs Sollain, I am not saying that should be part of this story arc, but could open up an expansion or new game following the completion of this one. Maybe Nikki Turns Taylor on to the hole incest game scene (cross promotion maybe) and they play one together where mom is corrupted/enticed into the relationship and this gets them into the idea bringing mom in on things, and of course mom confides everything with Mrs Sollian little by little. Maybe Mrs. Sollain is into it and decides to expand her own familiar relationships. More story arcs...

Maybe in a future episode, Nikki and Taylor should go home for spring break and see what happens...

on the next point hear me out and don't jump to conclusions

lets also look at the revelation about about the professor and her husbands open relationship / cuckold love.
I am not saying that Taylor will be cucked or be into that side of the scene, but Nikki might be, and this could open up story arcs for her to find a man that is into her being with Taylor. or maybe she forces him into it, there are many story lines you could take with this.

for instance, you end up in a public relationship with Molly or Jessica, but Nikki finds some guy for her public relationship, that she ends up cucking and or feminizing.

This would allow for the ultimate cuck of breeding Nikki and making her man raise the little incest baby.

also remember what the professor said about Molly not being as innocent as she presents. Well with her restricted childhood, and the trust Nikki is building with her, I could see Nikki getting Molly into all sorts of kinks while maintaining her public innocence. Again this could be through incest VN games (more cross promotion maybe)

Oops, sorry I got long winded there, but you get the idea, I like the world you are building and would love to see more games. Keep up the good work.

-=NicestGamer=-
 

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Greetings All, First post here. Sumodein, great story writing, yes Taylors obliviousness is what makes him endearing. Keep up the great work. I hope you will take a couple suggestions for the future whether it be this game or other projects.

A: you have a pretty good starting cast, and I would love to see you expand the story lines within the 'universe' even if its just little crossovers.

B: I forget, but something about liking your cast of models, and can't wait to seeing what you can do as you get better at DAZ3d

First: Sumodein should finish his vision of the game, BUT there is nothing saying he won't use this input for future games and or story expansions as future projects. So I say keep the ideas flowing.

Second: Ashley, this little psycho will be busted, and since she already called Taylor from one crime scene, this could be problems for the lad

Finally, I can see where they don't "end up together" and it not being a bad thing.

lets remember, this is current times in a developed country, socially incest is frowned upon. So they would not be able to live a life as a couple publicly and would have to live the taboo life in private.

and we have some setups in the game where not ending up together does not mean they stop messing around or even have profound love for each other.

Another instance Tyler has already had interactions with Jesiica + Nikki and Jessica found it hot, so you can see Jessica being cool with it, and now we have Nikki getting Molly comfortable with her 'Helping' with Talyor and Molly's relationship as well.

so there is a route where Talyor could end up with Jessica and/or Molly and maintain relations with Nikki involved.

Also as some have said they would like to see mom involved and/or maybe Mrs Sollain, I am not saying that should be part of this story arc, but could open up an expansion or new game following the completion of this one. Maybe Nikki Turns Taylor on to the hole incest game scene (cross promotion maybe) and they play one together where mom is corrupted/enticed into the relationship and this gets them into the idea bringing mom in on things, and of course mom confides everything with Mrs Sollian little by little. Maybe Mrs. Sollain is into it and decides to expand her own familiar relationships. More story arcs...

Maybe in a future episode, Nikki and Taylor should go home for spring break and see what happens...

on the next point hear me out and don't jump to conclusions

lets also look at the revelation about about the professor and her husbands open relationship / cuckold love.
I am not saying that Taylor will be cucked or be into that side of the scene, but Nikki might be, and this could open up story arcs for her to find a man that is into her being with Taylor. or maybe she forces him into it, there are many story lines you could take with this.

for instance, you end up in a public relationship with Molly or Jessica, but Nikki finds some guy for her public relationship, that she ends up cucking and or feminizing.

This would allow for the ultimate cuck of breeding Nikki and making her man raise the little incest baby.

also remember what the professor said about Molly not being as innocent as she presents. Well with her restricted childhood, and the trust Nikki is building with her, I could see Nikki getting Molly into all sorts of kinks while maintaining her public innocence. Again this could be through incest VN games (more cross promotion maybe)

Oops, sorry I got long winded there, but you get the idea, I like the world you are building and would love to see more games. Keep up the good work.

-=NicestGamer=-
Longest. First. Post. Ever. :p
 
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