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EZ8lt

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Because it's his first game and he didn't know what he was doing?
Because he got locked into his original vision, and didn't expand it until the first time the game was done?
Sure it was a rookie mistake, and on one hand that is a plausible excuse.

On the other though, researching before creating a game is a must to do, and if you do that you can realise easily that making a multiple choices game without giving proper ending to them and going for a sole ending won't work well with each other. The story he came up with would've worked well for a harem manga/anime/novel/etc, when the player has no control over it.

This is especially true when you decide to make such a massive game.
 
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Rythan25

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I honestly think Sudo should have moved on to his next game... Yes a lot of people were giving slightly bad reviews due to it... but its his first game, he should have took it as a learning opportunity, and made a better second game instead.

Even now with the new endings, people are still complaining if there arent endings with the girl they "wanted"... I was always in Molly's camp anyway, and the only others I would have cared about were Skylar and Sarah (I got that right ? Nikki's beach bar friend ?)... The tomboy gym-sock, Sollain, and Jessica who went black and never came back, were "meh" to me. Obviously Nikkster and the Mom werent going to get endings at all, so people need to get the hell over that.

Anyway I will just keep my original completed version, as to me thats the "pure" version, the one Sudo intended before he caved in to all the negative backlash.
 

Snowman75

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Sure it was a rookie mistake, and on one hand that is a plausible excuse.

On the other though, researching before creating a game is a must to do, and if you do that you can realise easily that making a multiple choices game without giving proper ending to them and going for a sole ending won't work well with each other. The story he came up with would've worked well for a harem manga/anime/novel/etc, when the player has no control over it.

This is especially true when you decide to make such a massive game.
*cough* Mass Effect *cough*
 

vimmers

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played this for a long time ago and looked at the walkthrough linked in the op
but i seems to miss something already at start
example from here
Keep Watching. (D+4) You watch Nikki have sex. She sees you and cums with you. (D+7)
Turn over and go to sleep. (G+4)

then my next choice are
Play dumb. (D+1)
Forgive. (G+1)

what happened with
Pull down sheet. (D+3)
Pull down sheet all... (D+3)
Start jerking... (D+7) You cum on sleeping Nikki’s ass.
Go to bed. (G+1)
Go to bed. (G+2)
 

EZ8lt

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I honestly think Sudo should have moved on to his next game... Yes a lot of people were giving slightly bad reviews due to it... but its his first game, he should have took it as a learning opportunity, and made a better second game instead.

Even now with the new endings, people are still complaining if there arent endings with the girl they "wanted"... I was always in Molly's camp anyway, and the only others I would have cared about were Skylar and Sarah (I got that right ? Nikki's beach bar friend ?)... The tomboy gym-sock, Sollain, and Jessica who went black and never came back, were "meh" to me. Obviously Nikkster and the Mom werent going to get endings at all, so people need to get the hell over that.

Anyway I will just keep my original completed version, as to me thats the "pure" version, the one Sudo intended before he caved in to all the negative backlash.
The problem weren't the slightly bad reviews, the problem was that even a lot of patreons were giving a backlash because of the ending, not unreasonably I might add, from a writing POV, the story haven't fit the format. Sure you had the ending you wanted anyway so it's easy to act high horsed about it, but otherwise you wouldn't let it slide either.

If anything, the fact that Sudo manned up, admitted his mistake, and decided to fix it instead of leaving for his next project was the right move. There are times when listening to the community feedback is a good thing, this was one of those. It allows you to restore the trust he lost because of the whole ending riot, and won't make him "the guy that created that shitty ending" when he works on his next project. And this is important, since creating a VN as an indie, relies heavily on the community support, unlike when you present a finished product and people will get into or not.
 
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I honestly think Sudo should have moved on to his next game... Yes a lot of people were giving slightly bad reviews due to it... but its his first game, he should have took it as a learning opportunity, and made a better second game instead.

Even now with the new endings, people are still complaining if there arent endings with the girl they "wanted"... I was always in Molly's camp anyway, and the only others I would have cared about were Skylar and Sarah (I got that right ? Nikki's beach bar friend ?)... The tomboy gym-sock, Sollain, and Jessica who went black and never came back, were "meh" to me. Obviously Nikkster and the Mom werent going to get endings at all, so people need to get the hell over that.

Anyway I will just keep my original completed version, as to me thats the "pure" version, the one Sudo intended before he caved in to all the negative backlash.

Even if you liked the previous endings, and I don't think they were bad, this version of the game is simply better. There is a massive expansion on the three month time skip which was one of the biggest issues in the game as it stood. If you are a molly guy you get more scenes with her, if you liked cory, more scenes with her as well. Nikki no longer becomes a cat lady (which was an odd choice anyway) if she ends up solo, and you get a much better introduction of her alternate love interest for those who didn't want to end up with her.

Plus I think it shows a caring about his patrons as well. He didn't 180 on the game either, it's still the same as it ever was, but with more options, and a more fleshed out story.

I really don't think people understand how much he added.
 

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I honestly think Sudo should have moved on to his next game... Yes a lot of people were giving slightly bad reviews due to it... but its his first game, he should have took it as a learning opportunity, and made a better second game instead.

Even now with the new endings, people are still complaining if there arent endings with the girl they "wanted"... I was always in Molly's camp anyway, and the only others I would have cared about were Skylar and Sarah (I got that right ? Nikki's beach bar friend ?)... The tomboy gym-sock, Sollain, and Jessica who went black and never came back, were "meh" to me. Obviously Nikkster and the Mom werent going to get endings at all, so people need to get the hell over that.

Anyway I will just keep my original completed version, as to me thats the "pure" version, the one Sudo intended before he caved in to all the negative backlash.
You should play it again, even if you go for the same ending, the writing has been tweaked and a lot of the early renders have been improved. :)
played this for a long time ago and looked at the walkthrough linked in the op
but i seems to miss something already at start
example from here
Keep Watching. (D+4) You watch Nikki have sex. She sees you and cums with you. (D+7)
Turn over and go to sleep. (G+4)

then my next choice are
Play dumb. (D+1)
Forgive. (G+1)

what happened with
Pull down sheet. (D+3)
Pull down sheet all... (D+3)
Start jerking... (D+7) You cum on sleeping Nikki’s ass.
Go to bed. (G+1)
Go to bed. (G+2)
There is a new walkthrough that was released yesterday but it's only for patrons. It's on the $1 tier if you fancy it :)
with the updated ending, can Taylor end up with both Nikki and Molly?
Play it and see! It wouldn't be fair to others who haven't played it yet to spoil the endings. There are now nine afterall! :)
 

MLBnoob

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The problem is the original ending killed the game for me (and probably a lot of others as well), if the ending was fixed why where there choices in the first place?

It's nice that the extra endings have been added, but I don't get why Sumo didn't see this coming in the first place.
Don't forget the title of this game, it attracted a lot of incest fans who IMO righteously questioned why the Sis can't be romanced. I bet that getting tired of incest games and not making an incest game made him have a tunnel vision, hence the previous crappy endings. The Cuck Simulator game couldn't be not a cucked/cucking centered or even Sisterly Lust its obviously not about sex with a mailwoman.

At least Sumo realized what he was doing wrong with the ending and some parts of the story.
 
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