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How is he moaning about it? The guy did his biggest update EVER to expand on the rushed endings and give more options than Molly AND add Nikki and Cory options as well as others.

The original game wasn't exactly Molly or nothing either, there was an overblown bad one for cheating on Molly, but there was also an ending of Taylor living his life trying to find out what he wanted. It wasn't a standard ending but it wasn't bad. Where the game had issues before was in the rush to conclusion and the fact that Nikki became an LI when he didn't really ever intend her to be.
 

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How is he moaning about it? The guy did his biggest update EVER to expand on the rushed endings and give more options than Molly AND add Nikki and Cory options as well as others.

The original game wasn't exactly Molly or nothing either, there was an overblown bad one for cheating on Molly, but there was also an ending of Taylor living his life trying to find out what he wanted. It wasn't a standard ending but it wasn't bad. Where the game had issues before was in the rush to conclusion and the fact that Nikki became an LI when he didn't really ever intend her to be.
Well, the conversation between Nikki and Taylor as they return for Christmas make it quite obvious he feels discontent over being "pressured" into altering the ending. And as I said, I'm perfectly fine with him keeping the original ending, or releasing this update to give the player further options. His reaction to it felt silly though. AND I never pushed for Nikki ending, it didn't really make sense that there wasn't one though. That's just my opinion, it's perfectly fine to disagree.
 
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Hysni

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Well I Like Until end (y)It should be ended with Marriage etc Happy ending :love:
Nice game ;)
Dev Remember for Game Happy Endings is Most IMPORTANT thing that makes player satisfied :cool:(y)
Im happy MC and Nikki Love Eachother :love:(y) The End....
Waiting for other version :LOL:
 

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This.

How is he moaning about it? The guy did his biggest update EVER to expand on the rushed endings and give more options than Molly AND add Nikki and Cory options as well as others.

The original game wasn't exactly Molly or nothing either, there was an overblown bad one for cheating on Molly, but there was also an ending of Taylor living his life trying to find out what he wanted. It wasn't a standard ending but it wasn't bad. Where the game had issues before was in the rush to conclusion and the fact that Nikki became an LI when he didn't really ever intend her to be.
In short, it was a Molly or you get the short end of the stick story. The problem with how the Nikki things turned out came from the writing itself. Every conversation through the progression of the story pointed towards something between Taylor and Nikki, I wasn't in any camp so out of curiosity I decided to go for it, and then it hit me. From the point of rejecting Molly, it went all downhill, starting with the message Sudo sent through Nikkis line to the player, that you essentially fucked up. Then almost all the conversations, especially the ones during Christmas and in the treehouse became one big explanation for why the progression of the story up to that point should be ignored and retracted, with such great bullshiting in the dialogues that it was physically painful to read. After reading his massive post on patreon about it, it became much clearer, but during the playthrough it irked my, and as I saw many others mind to no end. If he wanted a sole Molly focus so bad, he should've had a much better grip on his writing, but instead, he let the story flow as it was, then tried to bullshit his way out of it.

In this version, there are several places that it points towards to him still being salty about the community reaction, especially at that movie they watch during Christmas, within both the Molly and non-Molly routes. I got the same feeling from how the "loner" ending turned out as well.
 

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How is he moaning about it? The guy did his biggest update EVER to expand on the rushed endings and give more options than Molly AND add Nikki and Cory options as well as others.

The original game wasn't exactly Molly or nothing either, there was an overblown bad one for cheating on Molly, but there was also an ending of Taylor living his life trying to find out what he wanted. It wasn't a standard ending but it wasn't bad. Where the game had issues before was in the rush to conclusion and the fact that Nikki became an LI when he didn't really ever intend her to be.
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If he's really going to be that pathetic about it why not just make a good ending to begin with. Wouldn't have even minded if Molly or her ending were written well in literally any way
 

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This.



In short, it was a Molly or you get the short end of the stick story. The problem with how the Nikki things turned out came from the writing itself. Every conversation through the progression of the story pointed towards something between Taylor and Nikki, I wasn't in any camp so out of curiosity I decided to go for it, and then it hit me. From the point of rejecting Molly, it went all downhill, starting with the message Sudo sent through Nikkis line to the player, that you essentially fucked up. Then almost all the conversations, especially the ones during Christmas and in the treehouse became one big explanation for why the progression of the story up to that point should be ignored and retracted, with such great bullshiting in the dialogues that it was physically painful to read. After reading his massive post on patreon about it, it became much clearer, but during the playthrough it irked my, and as I saw many others mind to no end. If he wanted a sole Molly focus so bad, he should've had a much better grip on his writing, but instead, he let the story flow as it was, then tried to bullshit his way out of it.

In this version, there are several places that it points towards to him still being salty about the community reaction, especially at that movie they watch during Christmas, within both the Molly and non-Molly routes. I got the same feeling from how the "loner" ending turned out as well.
Eh, don't see the salt honestly. More him poking fun at himself. But can see how it would be taken that way. So it is known and he has said so himself, Sumo was hit pretty hard by the reaction, that much is true. He never expected the level of hate he got, which was more than people realize. But if he was really salty about it he would have just dropped the game and moved on. Sumo has done the fourth wall breaks a bunch before, and that conversation isn't particularly special or do you think he was actually calling incest fans weirdos during Truth or Dare with the patch?
The original concept of the game was to basically have your sister be your wingman, and help Taylor come into his own. Thing is as the story went on Nikki took on a life of her own. Sumo didn't really account for that, and said as much. He wrote endings for the story he started but not the one that was written.

It was also rushed, which isn't uncommon either. Hell, in this space rushed endings are the norm and not the exception.

What is uncommon is going back and fixing things and being able to take a step back. Damn near no one does that in this space, several high profile games have treated criticism worse, far, far worse. And even if he was salty, which I very much doubt he is, he still took his lumps and made a better product. So I don't see the point of getting on him over it.
 

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I think I missed half the ending with all the errors. I had the Nikki mod and incest patch does that cause problems for the game?
 

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I do not believe it. All of this negative reactions make me speechless.

We have a developer, Sumodeine. He put work, time and effort to rebuild the end of this game. End not so bad. I do not hate it. He come give it like a gift. He do not it clearly for money. Is freely downloadable on is Patreon without any pledge. Is clearly not for economic reason.

He do it for our pleasure. Not for money.

My reaction with this unexpecting gift this morning as to pledge him. Because i believe he deserve it. And is the better way i find to show him my respect.

What i read when i return read the comment? People winning because he don't have the end he expected.

Excuse me but. If you are upset because the ending. I am upset when i read this.

Is unbelievable! How do you think you are. In a McDo for your fetish? Just ask Sumodine your fetish for he give it to you for free automatically? Have few people with really clean belly buttons here. How are is creative liberty?

I'm speechless in front of this inacceptable selfishing.

The work is not perfect, ok. But not so bad for a first tentative. How much you paid to have the right to complain? Before this morning, nothing in my concern. My money contribution is, all the time, to say tank you. I never buy nothing in my mind.

I admit i'm probably an abnormal case. But i take VN like a artistic work. Faping stuff is not my priority. I made my evaluation of the artist work with the tools i learn in literacy. But not with boobs size, time before cum or number of sex scene. I don't know. I probably wrong with searching quality before jerking.

Before asking developer feeding your fantasy. Why you do not try yourself to make a MOD or build your own game? I think is more constructive than clash an honest guy trying repair is mistake. I have personally respect for this and i have show it.

How come this right to make a destructive critic? How much have you paid for this?

I'm clearly angry! I have, probably, take time to calm down before write this message. But this burning me.

This is why in conclude this message. With giving all my deepest apology if i would people do not deserve it. Is not what i search. Is not the first time i am witness of this king child attitude. We have the right to not agree but have way to do it too. And i'm the first having this obligation to be respectful with other.

In advance, my apology...
 

BuddhaOnaDiet

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Eh, don't see the salt honestly. More him poking fun at himself. But can see how it would be taken that way. So it is known and he has said so himself, Sumo was hit pretty hard by the reaction, that much is true. He never expected the level of hate he got, which was more than people realize. But if he was really salty about it he would have just dropped the game and moved on. Sumo has done the fourth wall breaks a bunch before, and that conversation isn't particularly special or do you think he was actually calling incest fans weirdos during Truth or Dare with the patch?
The original concept of the game was to basically have your sister be your wingman, and help Taylor come into his own. Thing is as the story went on Nikki took on a life of her own. Sumo didn't really account for that, and said as much. He wrote endings for the story he started but not the one that was written.

It was also rushed, which isn't uncommon either. Hell, in this space rushed endings are the norm and not the exception.

What is uncommon is going back and fixing things and being able to take a step back. Damn near no one does that in this space, several high profile games have treated criticism worse, far, far worse. And even if he was salty, which I very much doubt he is, he still took his lumps and made a better product. So I don't see the point of getting on him over it.
And I think a lot of people appreciate him releasing this update, but the previous referred to in-game dialogue feels like emotional forum post, that when getting some distance to the initial feeling(of rejection?) probably should have been deleted. And it heightens the feeling of selling out to popular demand, rather than accepting that making patreon sponsored games is a give and take(hopefully).
 

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I think I missed half the ending with all the errors. I had the Nikki mod and incest patch does that cause problems for the game?
Install any MOD. Only the incest patch. He is made for other version with other code. Al this change made the MOD install break the game.

Do a fresh install with only the incest patch. You resolve all your problem.
 
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Melissa fan

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Overall I thought this wasn't too bad but the crap about pirating and incest was getting really damn annoying. I also stayed faithful to Molly but Nikki wasn't herself when I got serious with her and I didn't like that at all.
 

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Overall I thought this wasn't too bad but the crap about pirating and incest was getting really damn annoying. I also stayed faithful to Molly but Nikki wasn't herself when I got serious with her and I didn't like that at all.
With the new endings? How so? Just curious, honestly.
 

Melissa fan

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With the new endings? How so? Just curious, honestly.
I only just played it today so I'm not sure about new endings but I ended up with Molly and was 100% faithful to her and Nikki was with Marc but Nikki seemed a lot different than she was before I got serious with Molly. She was a bit weird around the MC and while I understand it I wish she was back to her normal self.
 

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I agree with alot of these comments that are against the criticism that is being put out there about the hard work Sumo has done in rewriting this VN. I will hold my hands up and admit I was very disappointed in the ending of the original version but 100% respect to the guy for holding his hands up and admitting he was mistaken. I love the light hearted humorous dig/joke to himself during the christmas movie scene. And look forward to more of Sumo's work in the future. So a big (y)'s up from me.
 
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