VN Ren'Py Abandoned My Sweet Neighbors [v0.12] [Pandelo]

[elsanna_iduna]

PL did it juuust fine (if my memory wasn't akin to a goldfishes I'd be able to come up with near countless examples of other titles that managed to extend the thril without milking the being caught thing) there are infinite sources of drama in the *real world* now imagine if you don't even need to adhere to reality to come up with dramatic scenarios to advance the plot dynamic. In my personal opinion no one would be considered a good writer if they can't come up with anything more than the 'dont get caught' troupe >;D

Exactly. It gives the game a lot more longevity, now its established both are into the MC. If I were doing the writing where the game lets off, I would want the MC to start scheming ways on how to get both of the girls into each other, since they may not stick around if he has to choose one over the other. M wouldn't want her D's heart broken and vice versa.

So the MC, simply out of the goodness of heart (sarcasm), wants both to be happy and therefor must where the heavy crown of managing a harem-ship. Now he begins the journey of A) making them bi-curious and then B) incest curious.

There is lots of ways to approach this and I never see a VN that goes in this super hot direction (from a lesbian incest corruption angle). The closest I've experienced was View of Family, where of course it ends/ abandoned abruptly before the pay off (THE NEXT PROJECT FOR OTTERBOT!)

 

[drowsy]

that's because I made them with genesis 8.1 and the original were genesis 3. I tried to make them more natural looking without going too photorealistic

I see. Objectively speaking, they look amazing, and a lot better than the original models quality-wise, obviously. In my subjective opinion, though, there was something cute about the daughter's face proportions that might be partly missing from your new model. Anyway, great to hear you're working on this and good luck.

 

[ubblesnop]

that's because I made them with genesis 8.1 and the original were genesis 3. I tried to make them more natural looking without going too photorealistic

This is the first comment you've made where I doubted your commitment to the spirit of the original.

The daughter in particular was *stylized*. Not natural-looking, somewhere between natural and cartoonish, and it was adorable. Even if the *real-world* version of her may not have that cartoonish feel, it's a good expression of the MC's/player's emotion response to her: he/we see her as so adorable she seems unreal. That really worked, for me, and for many of us.

So, I'm glad you're undertaking this project, but I do hope you
1) make the mom's breasts big and impressive, and
2) keep some of the unreality of the daughter's cute looks.

 

[Orangepocalypse]

Please, try to not vanish from the world or suddenly pass away as everyone else did before you as they tried to reboot this game. This game is cursed, please take care of yourself.

We're one lost developer away from this being Spinal Tap's drummers.

 

[strenif]

The biggest reason for the success of this game and the long-lived love of it (and its sadly departed creator) is that it truly lived up to its name. It was the sweetest VN out there, with great care taken to try to make all the characters as believable and likable as you would ever find in an AVN.

I applaud your visual efforts in the previous render. If you truly were inspired by Pandelo's work, please strive to continue that special "sweetness" not really found in any other AVN out there.

I feel bad saying this but the only reason I picked up this game with the faint hope we'd get to see some lezcest at some point. Sweet is fine and all but I was it in for that sweet sweet mother daughter threesome.

 

[Sonico]

I feel bad saying this but the only reason I picked up this game with the faint hope we'd get to see some lezcest at some point. Sweet is fine and all but I was it in for that sweet sweet mother daughter threesome.

Truth be told, i guess every fan might have a slightly or not so slightly view of how the story was going to progress or they hoped for from it, kind of unavoidable really. I for for one, if memory tricks me not, remember in one of the last versions a scene in a nightclub where the mom finally realizes from previous comments that her daughter is in love with the MC, so the elephant had just shown itself in the room, so to speak.

About what comes next with a homage/remake, wait and see, time will tell.

 

[xsssssssss]

A remake is always going to run into the mental obstacles of people’s idiolised expectations and views about what the story was. If the original had continued story choices may very well have been made people less happy. Clearly there was already a route where daughter route was shut off. I always assumed i’d Be able to ditch the mother because there were lots of chances to minimize her points(but that was just my assumption & hope), equally while the harem didn’t appeal to me I never saw any flags that it wasn’t on the cards either.
It would be nice just to get a different dev’s version of how things might play out even if it isn’t going to be ever exactly what pandelo had planned.

 

[SumTingWong0420]

All I can hope is that whatever vision the dev who's taking over has for the remake it includes the route Pandelo always had envisioned: this project feels akin to titanic for me, im Jack clinging to my piece of wood that is a direct quote from the original Dev:




This last bit seems like Pandelo had a vision that would satisfy everyone, CHEERS!

 

[gusxxx]

Currently working on a remake/remaster.
This game along with DmD is what got me into VNs and 3d art. I've been hesitant in starting my own projects for a while since none of them have been able to really interest me in the long term like these older games did.

I have decided to put my focus into remaking/remastering this classic with the intention of updating the visuals and dialogue while retaining the charm of the original.

Here is a preview of the neighbors, still a work in progress

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I have seen your other renders on devianart and I am not worried at all about the visuals, quite the contrary.

But from what I get this would be your first game and you are not a developer, also like others have said the most important of all: capturing the essence of the original game and even harder from what was released expand and continue the story.

That's a tall other and we all have seen many many promising games that go nowhere, turn into a mess or are abandoned.

But Im a hopeful and glad this game will get a second chance.

Cheers

 

[buff]

I feel bad saying this but the only reason I picked up this game with the faint hope we'd get to see some lezcest at some point. Sweet is fine and all but I was it in for that sweet sweet mother daughter threesome.

Yeah, same. Based on some comments Pandelo made the mom/daughter action was definitely in the cards, but as a capstone near the end (my guess is that it was probably the resolution of the love triangle the characters were starting to be aware of). That is definitely what kept me interested for so long. A good, slooooooowly burning lezcest arc is fantastic, and worth paying for.

 

[strenif]

Yeah, same. Based on some comments Pandelo made the mom/daughter action was definitely in the cards, but as a capstone near the end (my guess is that it was probably the resolution of the love triangle the characters were starting to be aware of). That is definitely what kept me interested for so long. A good, slooooooowly burning lezcest arc is fantastic, and worth paying for.

You might give A Family Venture a shot if you haven't already. The dev has confirmed that for sure is in the cards.

 

[darlic]

So, sharing between mom and daughter would be a terrible approach to go.

Any story requires conflict.

Nah, my friend. I don't agree with this at all.
You can put whatever type of conflict even if you go down the harem path. And it doesn't need to be strictly between the mother and the daughter.

Also, there's another detail worth noting, and this is present right in the OP. Take a look at the game's banner

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Doesn't this simple yet very significant image give enough clues on how the story should end up?

 

[Stormhurricane]

Great news!
waitin now for the update.......

 

[Ayhsel]

Nah, my friend. I don't agree with this at all.
You can put whatever type of conflict even if you go down the harem path. And it doesn't need to be strictly between the mother and the daughter.

Also, there's another detail worth noting, and this is present right in the OP. Take a look at the game's banner

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Doesn't this simple yet very significant image give enough clues on how the story should end up?

No. It is just a banner to show the game, nothing more, nothing less. To get that such a thing implies a harem is ridiculous.

And you don't have to agree with me. But just because you want a harem, does not mean it is a good idea. The whole game is about how the MC starts dating the mother while also seducing the daughter. If everyone is ok with that, what conflict is there? No conflict, no story. You can put other things, but they would clearly be ad hoc.

 

[Nulldev]

No. It is just a banner to show the game, nothing more, nothing less. To get that such a thing implies a harem is ridiculous.

And you don't have to agree with me. But just because you want a harem, does not mean it is a good idea. The whole game is about how the MC starts dating the mother while also seducing the daughter. If everyone is ok with that, what conflict is there? No conflict, no story. You can put other things, but they would clearly be ad hoc.

Because dating MILFS and seducing young girls are so easy, that is why the net is full advice site and PUAs and self help...
There is no way to have some problems on this way, we need extra conflicts.

 

[darlic]

No. It is just a banner to show the game, nothing more, nothing less. To get that such a thing implies a harem is ridiculous.

I never said that the banner implies a harem thematic. It just shows the mom openly "sharing" her daughter's graces with the viewer. Does this mean anything? Nobody knows, except for Pandelo of course. But this can easily be a clue, and I don't see anything ridiculous about it.

The whole game is about how the MC starts dating the mother while also seducing the daughter.

This is your personal assumption. The story didn't develop enough to get to that conclusion

If everyone is ok with that, what conflict is there? No conflict, no story. You can put other things, but they would clearly be ad hoc.

If the writer intends to introduce some new elements to the story, regardless of their nature, they obviously have to be introduced ad hoc. I don't see the point in this statement of yours.

 

[Ayhsel]

I never said that the banner implies a harem thematic. It just shows the mom openly "sharing" her daughter's graces with the viewer. Does this mean anything? Nobody knows, except for Pandelo of course. But this can easily be a clue, and I don't see anything ridiculous about it.

You literally said that that "simple yet very significant image give enough clues" for harem and now you are saying you didn't said that the banner implies harem. Do you contradict yourself like this on a personal basis everyday or is this an exception?

This is your personal assumption. The story didn't develop enough to get to that conclusion
If the writer intends to introduce some new elements to the story, regardless of their nature, they obviously have to be introduced ad hoc. I don't see the point in this statement of yours.

We only have what was shown. For what we know, the aliens could attack in the next update and MC becames an avenger. I would totally welcome that, but did you find some "simple yet very powerful clues" to support that?

So yes, the story could have gone anywhere, but with have been shown so far, the story is simply about MC dating the mother while seducing the daughter. Any other thing would be ad hoc, not necessarily bad per se, but it would not be what this game is about so far.
The point is killing conflict. Making mother and daughter be ok with dating MC would kill the only current source of conflict. To keep the story interesting, you would need ad hoc conflict.

My Sweet Avenger Neighbors would have been a better name.

 

[Ayhsel]

Because dating MILFS and seducing young girls are so easy, that is why the net is full advice site and PUAs and self help...
There is no way to have some problems on this way, we need extra conflicts.

Hahaha not what I meant, neither what I implied. Simply saying that resolving the conflict of MC dating both girls would kill the main conflict.
as an example, look at that monstruosity that is My New Family. Everyone is happy, love each other and enjoy MC fucking and being with everyone. That is not a story, is a a fan service, after happy ending story. Personally, that kind of thing, so boring and dull, makes me wanna vomit. But I guess that is personal preference. Still, not a story, but an after story. The same might happen to this one if you kill all conflict, which for now comes from MC trying to date both.

 

[darlic]

You literally said that that "simple yet very significant image give enough clues" for harem and now you are saying you didn't said that the banner implies harem. Do you contradict yourself like this on a personal basis everyday or is this an exception?

Sorry, but you got it totally wrong, that image can communicate a multitude of things (could be a hint to harem or not, again nobody knows), what's certain I don't see a possibility of a conflictual relationship between M and D (read it as jealousy, or a simple competition to win the mc's love over the other). Just to be clear and avoid other pointless remarks, I'm just analyzing that image. The story doesn't give enough clues whatsoever.

So yes, the story could have gone anywhere, but with have been shown so far, the story is simply about MC dating the mother while seducing the daughter. Any other thing would be ad hoc, not necessarily bad per se, but it would not be what this game is about so far.
The point is killing conflict. Making mother and daughter be ok with dating MC would kill the only current source of conflict.

Yes it's the only source of conflict, given the current development of the story.

To keep the story interesting, you would need ad hoc conflict.

I can agree with that, as I already said.

 

[SumTingWong0420]

Guys whatever the New dev does with the remake, how can anyone refute written words from the Original dev himself:
Let's put this argument about what the Original was going to be, because it's stated right here by the creator and it was going to be paths for both sides of this debate.

/end debate about direction of Original project

P.S. just my personal opinion but I don't get why people think there has to be conflict in a story to keep it anything, yes true for dramas but romance, comedies...ect...dont *require* conflict to be good (I agree it can always spice things up but disagree that's its required).

But we can all agree that we're stoked about what this could be.....