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WuzzyFuzzy

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That is potentially a discussion that could be had, but it's not what was said. Frankly, I disagree entirely with what he said and what you are claiming he is talking about.

In this game, all of the female characters (maybe not Evon) have sex with different characters of different races, almost every different race. White, black, hispanic, Asian (Japanese?), and Indian. The fact that a few of the characters are black does not make this game "My Dev's a Black Cock Lover" which is what he said. Frankly, it's fucking racist and disgusting.

EDIT: If the comment wasn't meant to be racist, then I am all ears and will take back what I said. But to focus on the race of a couple (not even the majority) of the characters, ignoring the others, it appears racist to me.
The racist part is all these games reducing black men to nothing more than meat popsicles. Here comes the BBC...no depth, no soul, no wooing, no romance. Throw in some dick pics and a few "my cock is the best" lines. THAT is what's racist. I can think of only a couple of games on this site where the protagonist is a thoughtful black man. In one of those games the dev created a "light" version and a "dark" version. I can't guess entirely the mind of the dev, but the dark version hasn't been updated in over a year because of all the racist pushback. In a few other games there is a black man as a side kick, but he is often portrayed as gay so as to not threaten anyone.

So the racism exists and is expressed through the trope. The BBC. Make some games with a black man being vulnerable, thoughtful, romantic. Let's see how far that flies on here.
 
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WuzzyFuzzy

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Having seen PGJ in many threads, I'd say it's not about a black guy being with a white girl. It's more about how so many games always fall to the BBC lover that the LI(s) cheat with and find superior, which is way more racist in my opinion. And I agree in that regard. It's always some dumb, ugly, black guy as the primary antagonist who almost always has the stereotypical black guy names (Darius, Tyrone, Marcus), who is always a thunder dick, who almost always has very little character and everything that makes him "great" is from his sexual prowess... it's just old, tired, and boring.
On point, as always.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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That is potentially a discussion that could be had, but it's not what was said. Frankly, I disagree entirely with what he said and what you are claiming he is talking about.

In this game, all of the female characters (maybe not Evon) have sex with different characters of different races, almost every different race. White, black, hispanic, Asian (Japanese?), and Indian. The fact that a few of the characters are black does not make this game "My Dev's a Black Cock Lover" which is what he said. Frankly, it's fucking racist and disgusting.

EDIT: If the comment wasn't meant to be racist, then I am all ears and will take back what I said. But to focus on the race of a couple (not even the majority) of the characters, ignoring the others, it appears racist to me.
My issue is as others have graciously stepped in to point out; when a token bbc character appears, writers will often skip any semblance of flirting, sensuality, foreplay, whatever you want to call it, the proverbial dance that men and women do to attract each other all in the name of "he's black and has a big dick therefore the woman must be enthralled."

Darius from MWAS is a particularly egregious example because outside the bbc fetish, the character has no inherently desireable traits. In terms of appearance, despite the story telling us he's "moderately attractive", this is what we see:
dariusIntro.jpg
This is not an attractive individual. None of his dialogue is remotely charming or seductive, and the reason women are attracted to him relies heavily on the preexisting bbc fetish of the player. It doesn't help my opinion that the dev insists on making him darker than midnight paired with low scene lighting so half the time you can't even see his facial expressions:
darius1.jpg
Is Darius happy there? Sad? Confident? Depressed? Eager? Apprehensive? Who knows! With the bbc fetish none of that matters, all that matters is he's black, hung, and present.

This is not to say there aren't attractive black people by any stretch. Off the top of my head, in their prime both Carl Weathers and Wesley Snipes LOOK like movie stars.
wesleyCarl.jpg
It's not even a Daz problem because attractive black Daz models DO exist.

Meanwhile, bbc enthusiast devs insist on using the most ugly, overdrawn, and stereotypical models like Daniel in a Couple's Duet.

Notice, his texture map has his resting eyebrows in a low-inner high-outer position. This is by design. This is someone's choice, to make him always look as aggressive, angry, and sneering as possible.

Now, people can like what they like when it comes to sex and porn, but don't call me the racist one when there's a non-insignicant portion of devs and players that deliberately play up extreme stereotypes. As others have said, if anything games need MORE black people in non-stereotypical roles, I enjoyed the presence of Jake in "Rise of the Crime Lord" because he acts like your friend and not a walking stereotype.

The real "war" I'm fighting isn't against black characters in games, but a lack of sensuality and other writing elements mentioned in my lede to make games sexually exciting. Any idiot with a nvidia card can throw some characters in a scene, apply some poses, and smash render. What makes it hot is the buildup, the tension, all these regular elements of human sexuality and storytelling. Yet, bbc fetish games are consistently one realm where this goes out the window and half the players don't seem to care. Admittedly, it's not the only fetish that does this. I scorn lazy writing/storytelling in all genres of games, the bbc one just happens to be an easy tell for "this game likely has lazy writing".
Having seen PGJ in many threads, I'd say it's not about a black guy being with a white girl. It's more about how so many games always fall to the BBC lover that the LI(s) cheat with and find superior, which is way more racist in my opinion. And I agree in that regard. It's always some dumb, ugly, black guy as the primary antagonist who almost always has the stereotypical black guy names (Darius, Tyrone, Marcus), who is always a thunder dick, who almost always has very little character and everything that makes him "great" is from his sexual prowess... it's just old, tired, and boring.
Yup, I even remember us disagreeing on the black antagonist "Frank" in Horton Bay; he still had pieces of the "bbc stereotype, but at least his scenes involved some flirting build up and resistance from Gemma so to me it felt more realistic and more sensual.

The names also make me cringe, it's like a list of "black names" that a suburban white kid came up with on the spot.

By chance of city school districts, I went to a middle school where as a white kid I was in the minority. The average classroom of 20 kids probably had around 12 black kids, a few asian kids, a few hispanics, and 2-3 white kids. I've never met a "Tyrone" in my life. I've known an "Octavius", a "Deshaun", a "William", and a "David", but never a Tyrone or a Darrell. Not to say they don't exist, but again, this sounds more like some insular white kid's creation.
 

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Having seen PGJ in many threads, I'd say it's not about a black guy being with a white girl. It's more about how so many games always fall to the BBC lover that the LI(s) cheat with and find superior, which is way more racist in my opinion. And I agree in that regard. It's always some dumb, ugly, black guy as the primary antagonist who almost always has the stereotypical black guy names (Darius, Tyrone, Marcus), who is always a thunder dick, who almost always has very little character and everything that makes him "great" is from his sexual prowess... it's just old, tired, and boring.
Again, that is a perfectly valid opinion, but it's not what was said.

We are talking about THIS game. Val has sex w/ her husband (white), her husband's father (white), Darius (black), Randy (white), Diego (Hispanic), Honda (Asian), Raj (Indian), the construction worker (black). This is not the tired old trope and characterizing it as such means that the person doing so is focused on a single partner who happens to be black and ignoring a half-dozen other partners who aren't. Why focus on that one partner to the exclusion of the others?
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Again, that is a perfectly valid opinion, but it's not what was said.

We are talking about THIS game. Val has sex w/ her husband (white), her husband's father (white), Darius (black), Randy (white), Diego (Hispanic), Honda (Asian), Raj (Indian), the construction worker (black). This is not the tired old trope and characterizing it as such means that the person doing so is focused on a single partner who happens to be black and ignoring a half-dozen other partners who aren't. Why focus on that one partner to the exclusion of the others?
Briefly, because of the way the game ends. Granted I went off on a tangent because I uniquely dislike Darius's character. The current ending ensures that no matter how much avoiding him you've done, it's all for naught.

And cmon, it's intellectually dishonest to pretend like Darius isnt a huge part of the dev's work on game. You're right that he's not the only sex partner, but let's not pretend like there's equal focus on those other half dozen you listed. You'd have to be blind to not see the heavy fetish presence on how outsized the roles are of characters like the work boss "Jamal". No matter what route you play, Darius and the fat ugly boss have a pervasive presence in the game.

You can easily avoid Randy or Diggie or Peter. It takes multiple negative responses over the course of the game to avoid Darius or Jamal. I'm not trying to measure up on a scoreboard though. You either see it or you don't. This is where the dev's passions lie, and such was my above criticism.
 
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lupoqb

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The racist part is all these games reducing black men to nothing more than meat popsicles. Here comes the BBC...no depth, no soul, no wooing, no romance. Throw in some dick pics and a few "my cock is the best" lines. THAT is what's racist. I can think of only a couple of games on this site where the protagonist is a thoughtful black man. In one of those games the dev created a "light" version and a "dark" version. I can't guess entirely the mind of the dev, but the dark version hasn't been updated in over a year because of all the racist pushback. In a few other games there is a black man as a side kick, but he is often portrayed as gay so as to not threaten anyone.

So the racism exists and is expressed through the trope. The BBC. Make some games with a black man being vulnerable, thoughtful, romantic. Let's see how far that flies on here.
The thoughtless BBC isn't racist. It's a stereotype, but definitely not racist.
 

88stanford88

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Briefly, because of the way the game ends. Granted I went off on a tangent because I uniquely dislike Darius's character. The current ending ensures that no matter how much avoiding him you've done, it's all for naught.

And cmon, it's intellectually dishonest to pretend like Darius isnt a huge part of the dev's work on game. You're right that he's not the only sex partner, but let's not pretend like there's equal focus on those other half dozen you listed. You'd have to be blind to not see the heavy fetish presence on how outsized the roles are of characters like the work boss "Jamal". No matter what route you play, Darius and the fat ugly boss have a pervasive presence in the game.

You can easily avoid Randy or Diggie or Peter. It takes multiple negative responses over the course of the game to avoid Darius or Jamal. I'm not trying to measure up on a scoreboard though. You either see it or you don't. This is where the dev's passions lie, and such was my above criticism.
the game is perfect as is!
Dante can fuck with his mom in the presence of Valerie and Valerie can fuck with her father-in-law Peter in the same path she can fuck with the technicians installing the panels and with Darius in the same path
now I understand your post in the unofficial renpy version thread--for you the problem<a was that you wanted to ban Peter :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
the plot is consistent and coherent
There is absolutely no reason to ban peter or other characters! (banning anyone of the characters will result in a senseless storyline!

This is story is amazing and thanks to the unofficial renpy version is finally playable without bugs and grind in all the great NTR/sharing paths!

I'm looking forward for the next update!
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Imagine virtue signaling this hard on a fucking porn forum to make it sound like you're being oppressed because some developer from the butt fuck of nowhere decided to use generic American ghetto names or whining about ugly black models. If you couldn't tell 90% of male blender models look like they crawled out of the depths of mordor. Trying to push a "muh black racism" when we have games with a white genocide fetish is almost laughable.
My goal isn't to make myself look good, my goal is to make games not boring and stereotypical or predictable. No one's being oppressed here, I don't know where this energy you're putting out is coming from. I told you why I don't like the game, if you like it as is, relax and play it happily.
 

WuzzyFuzzy

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Imagine virtue signaling this hard on a fucking porn forum to make it sound like you're being oppressed because some developer from the butt fuck of nowhere decided to use generic American ghetto names or whining about ugly black models. If you couldn't tell 90% of male blender models look like they crawled out of the depths of mordor. Trying to push a "muh black racism" when we have games with a white genocide fetish is almost laughable.
And using the term "white genocide" is laughable.

Also, I'll toss in that using your whataboutism, no matter how cloaked you tried to couch it, only strengthens our assertion of these creations being largely stereotypical in nature.
 
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Also, I'll toss in that using your whataboutism, no matter how cloaked you tried to couch it, only strengthens our assertion of these creations being largely stereotypical in nature.
But what do you claim?
This is interesting!

in nature everything is stereotyped
cats are cats have sex and other cats are born
trees. plants, frogs, . are classified generally... everything is classified generally

My goal isn't to make myself look good, my goal is to make games not boring and stereotypical or predictable
predictable?
Do you want a porn game where women don't get fucked by BBCs or fathers-in-law?
i'm curious, how do you make a porn story without using sterotypes?

sure you guys are getting to the top of a world where nothing makes sense anymore

anyway let's do this, you prepare a non-stereotypical porn storyline ... then I will show you that it is impossible to do it ...
really ... let me read this plot you preach like you are moralistic priests ... write your own fucking porn game if you are that good :cool:

yours are just criticisms of nothingness ...
if you can show me what a non-stereotyped porn story is to you, perhaps, I might believe you
but come on, you are just complaining because the author wrote things that go against your moralistic ethics ...
please,stop ranting ...
if you don't like the game in this thread. get out of here

The only real stereotypes here are you!!!
 

88stanford88

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My issue is as others have graciously stepped in to point out; when a token bbc character appears, writers will often skip any semblance of flirting, sensuality, foreplay, whatever you want to call it, the proverbial dance that men and women do to attract each other all in the name of "he's black and has a big dick therefore the woman must be enthralled."

Darius from MWAS is a particularly egregious example because outside the bbc fetish, the character has no inherently desireable traits. In terms of appearance, despite the story telling us he's "moderately attractive", this is what we see:
View attachment 3152677
This is not an attractive individual. None of his dialogue is remotely charming or seductive, and the reason women are attracted to him relies heavily on the preexisting bbc fetish of the player. It doesn't help my opinion that the dev insists on making him darker than midnight paired with low scene lighting so half the time you can't even see his facial expressions:
View attachment 3152688
Is Darius happy there? Sad? Confident? Depressed? Eager? Apprehensive? Who knows! With the bbc fetish none of that matters, all that matters is he's black, hung, and present.

This is not to say there aren't attractive black people by any stretch. Off the top of my head, in their prime both Carl Weathers and Wesley Snipes LOOK like movie stars.
View attachment 3152692
It's not even a Daz problem because attractive black Daz models DO exist.

Meanwhile, bbc enthusiast devs insist on using the most ugly, overdrawn, and stereotypical models like Daniel in a Couple's Duet.

Notice, his texture map has his resting eyebrows in a low-inner high-outer position. This is by design. This is someone's choice, to make him always look as aggressive, angry, and sneering as possible.

Now, people can like what they like when it comes to sex and porn, but don't call me the racist one when there's a non-insignicant portion of devs and players that deliberately play up extreme stereotypes. As others have said, if anything games need MORE black people in non-stereotypical roles, I enjoyed the presence of Jake in "Rise of the Crime Lord" because he acts like your friend and not a walking stereotype.

The real "war" I'm fighting isn't against black characters in games, but a lack of sensuality and other writing elements mentioned in my lede to make games sexually exciting. Any idiot with a nvidia card can throw some characters in a scene, apply some poses, and smash render. What makes it hot is the buildup, the tension, all these regular elements of human sexuality and storytelling. Yet, bbc fetish games are consistently one realm where this goes out the window and half the players don't seem to care. Admittedly, it's not the only fetish that does this. I scorn lazy writing/storytelling in all genres of games, the bbc one just happens to be an easy tell for "this game likely has lazy writing".
Yup, I even remember us disagreeing on the black antagonist "Frank" in Horton Bay; he still had pieces of the "bbc stereotype, but at least his scenes involved some flirting build up and resistance from Gemma so to me it felt more realistic and more sensual.

The names also make me cringe, it's like a list of "black names" that a suburban white kid came up with on the spot.

By chance of city school districts, I went to a middle school where as a white kid I was in the minority. The average classroom of 20 kids probably had around 12 black kids, a few asian kids, a few hispanics, and 2-3 white kids. I've never met a "Tyrone" in my life. I've known an "Octavius", a "Deshaun", a "William", and a "David", but never a Tyrone or a Darrell. Not to say they don't exist, but again, this sounds more like some insular white kid's creation.
you are racist!
this game is one of the best game in his genre (and genres are stereotype like Rock, Jazz, Classic, or pop music and so om.
all arts are divided in genres

painting, sculpture, film, fine dining, etc. all human arts are classified into genres and there are also tags...
if you don't like something in this story that is really well written in my opinion....

you should avoid writing here complaining about things that do nothing but reveal your real frustration!

I think you don't even know the real meaning of the word "stereotype" is like "gender" is like the tags used to categorize different stereotypes of "porn" games in the case of this site

The only problem here is that the dev is extremely slow in releasing updates!
 

88stanford88

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Having seen PGJ in many threads, I'd say it's not about a black guy being with a white girl. It's more about how so many games always fall to the BBC lover that the LI(s) cheat with and find superior, which is way more racist in my opinion. And I agree in that regard. It's always some dumb, ugly, black guy as the primary antagonist who almost always has the stereotypical black guy names (Darius, Tyrone, Marcus), who is always a thunder dick, who almost always has very little character and everything that makes him "great" is from his sexual prowess... it's just old, tired, and boring.
it would be interesting to hear from you what is not old, tired and boring.... Maybe LGBTQ+?

Would you like to have a games with black woman as an antagonist who gets fucked by little white dicks in fantasy place as in Alice in the Wonderland ?...

As you see this could not fancy and would be objectionable as racist much more than what is now schooling in porn stories...
and creating black characters with small dicks doesn't work either.

Porn is a specific genre that has long-established rules because it is based on nature, which for millennia has made living beings reproduce with definite natural laws...
in all species there are males and females... and who doesn't understand that all art from Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo. or if you want to go back even Homer's poems with Odysseus's travels and Penelope's weaving and unweaving canvas... all stories have been stereotyped for millennia!

The Egyptians told in hieroglyphics about Cleopatra...about Nefertiti...about pharaohs and their incest to create descendants who would remain loyal to the other divine lineage!

If you want to write a porn story you have to use perfora the essential basis of life for us humans
to reproduce we must have sex.
Women are the givers of life...they genetically are inclined to choose the strongest male with perfect features because that's how our spiede improves....
Everyone in nature does thisààà the lionesses choose the already strong lion

This is NATURE!
is it also stereotyped? maybe yes but without this Basilea stereotype the world would be a lifeless desert! ... and I guarantee you that if not be stereotype you mate a woman with a dog will not be born FUTA/TRANS with pointed ears

everything that makes him "great" is from his sexual prowess...
yes this is the real nature of porno writing
MAKE SEX AND HAVE PLAUSURE

IT IS THAT EVERY CREATURE OF THE WORLD "works" to improve the progeny of its species ... by having sex between the best components
Not that anything racist for a white woman to want to have sex with already strong blacks because that improves the human special....
by mixing genes between racial affiliations it is known-- This improves the resilience and strength of the species
it's just old, tired, and boring.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
it is old how old is our planet...
you are boring and maybe you are tired to play porn games...
maybe it's time for you to change your interest
I suggest you collect butterflies.

This game is perfect as it is!
And it is one that I will keep re-reading from time to time precisely because it contains all the right canons that a porn story must have!
 
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I was wondering if a family gangbang with double penetrations, is being planned? Would be nice to see Alyssa and her dad in the mix as well.
 
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Rule_Heavy

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Help is needed, Im using linux when I use the windows version of the game no texts are showing. Not even a single letter. Is this a common problem? Is there a different version of this game which will run on linux? Should I have to change anything on the existing files? thank you.
 

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Help is needed, Im using linux when I use the windows version of the game no texts are showing. Not even a single letter. Is this a common problem? Is there a different version of this game which will run on linux? Should I have to change anything on the existing files? thank you.
It doesn't matter which game engine the game has. You must have all Windows font libraries installed. Since there are many Linux versions, no one can tell you the exact problem. We have no data on which emulation you are using. It might just be Wine, Wine/Proton... package with msttcorefonts fonts .. Use WineTricks: (for the default Wine prefix)... In addition, several external tools are required to install some winetricks "packages", namely: cabextract, unzip, p7zip, wget (or curl). To support the graphical interface, use zenity or kdialog.... I repeat - the most important thing is to install all fonts and libraries first. This is the main problem!
 

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how do i avoid the Mother/Siszter NTR?
I believe that the claim of avoidable NTR was fogotten by the dev...
 

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how do i avoid the Mother/Siszter NTR?
I believe that the claim of avoidable NTR was fogotten by the dev...
I think you already allowed jamal to have fun with them , if you didnt than instead of mother and sister it wouldve been Pearl and the brunette instead . Either way , yes the end of the update is unavoidable boat NTR , which is kinda forced considering you can try to play alpha the entire game and still get to that point...
 

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I think you already allowed jamal to have fun with them , if you didnt than instead of mother and sister it wouldve been Pearl and the brunette instead . Either way , yes the end of the update is unavoidable boat NTR , which is kinda forced considering you can try to play alpha the entire game and still get to that point...
yeah i do not see how i could avoid the scene at home after the father crashes at the mcs home..

defenitely foul play by the devs :/
 
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