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Ren'Py Mythic Manor [v0.22] [Jikei]

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Malachite1789

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In your room click somewhere on the left side of the screen

"edit" uhhh has that button always been there? I could swear when i last went in the kitchen i had to click on the side of the screen.
 
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L33ch

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Maybe it's just me, but I feel like you're overreacting. Nefari using the petname "babe" towards the MC would be totally out of character, and as of the current version, I see nothing to suggest she would start doing it. Also, I do not recall any instance of the word "babe" being thrown around in Naira scenes, so if it happened, it must've been only once or twice so far.
As for Velle... she's been using that one in regards to MC for a very long time already. Do remember that due to her heritage she requires sex to survive, and as a result her mother tried her damnest to raise her to see men as not much more than cum dispensers. That's why she was so nonchalant about using her powers to mind-control people for sex (and the initial bdsm thing). MC is the first guy with whom Velle feels so deeply connected, so this is likely her first relationship that is not just about sex. I think we can forgive her for not understanding that some people apparently have hangups regarding being called babe. Also, once she started developing feelings for MC, she stopped getting involved in any bdsm activity, even with MC (so far at least) - that kind of proves to me that she wasn't so much interested in this to begin with - just something she was raised to believe she needs to do.

Interesting choice of words. "poor bastard" implies that this guy is put in a bad situation, like he wouldn't be there if he could help it. You do realize that some people out there are into being subs, right?

Speaking of which, is it just me or is there a plot-hole here? Isn't there a rule where the residents of the manor are not allowed to have guessts (or at least unannounced visits)? That kind of played a big part in Jade's story, and had a call-back with the latest Vanna event.
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You must not have played Naira's content from the last update then, because that was the offender I was referring to. I have plenty of grievances with her storyline in particular up to that point, but when they go out on a date to the... ice skating rink, I think it was(?) a switch just flipped. I am pretty sure the term got thrown in around 50 times in that one scene whereas neither of them ever used it before, and with Naira's personality generally being shy and reserved, I really can't see her unabashedly switching over to using it with zero hesitation, especially in public.

As for Velle - again, I wasn't saying she wouldn't use it, because at the least she had used it a few times up to this point, but it was always in a flirtatious way to show the difference in their experience. It was never a term of familiarity or endearment because the emphasis was on slightly demeaning or goading MC.

And yes, I realize there are some men out there who enjoy being subs. On a personal level, I do think they are unfortunate bastards, but in a more relevant to the subject matter way - he's a 'poor bastard' that's getting subjected to Velle's appetite both sexual and literal while tied up. She's even able to give the MC a run for his money, and the guy can go for 300 rounds in a day stiff as a rock while shooting loads like he's got a firehose built in. The "Poor bastard" was probably getting the literal life sucked out of him, regardless of if he enjoyed it or not.
 
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Malachite1789

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L33ch said:
You must not have played Naira's content from the last update then, because that was the offender I was referring to. I have plenty of grievances with her storyline in particular up to that point, but when they go out on a date to the... ice skating rink, I think it was(?) a switch just flipped. I am pretty sure the term got thrown in around 50 times in that one scene whereas neither of them ever used it before, and with Naira's personality generally being shy and reserved, I really can't see her unabashedly switching over to using it with zero hesitation, especially in public.

As for Velle - again, I wasn't saying she wouldn't use it, because at the least she had used it a few times up to this point, but it was always in a flirtatious way to show the difference in their experience. It was never a term of familiarity or endearment because the emphasis was on slightly demeaning or goading MC.

And yes, I realize there are some men out there who enjoy being subs. On a personal level, I do think they are unfortunate bastards, but in a more relevant to the subject matter way - he's a 'poor bastard' that's getting subjected to Velle's appetite both sexual and literal while tied up. She's even able to give the MC a run for his money, and the guy can go for 300 rounds in a day stiff as a rock while shooting loads like he's got a firehose built in. The "Poor bastard" was probably getting the literal life sucked out of him, regardless of if he enjoyed it or not.
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If i can make a small suggestion. Seeing as the term of endearment used obviously upsets you, why not download Unren and change it to whatever you would prefer? It may take a little while to change in the script but it's got to be a better option than getting upset by it.
 
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Malachite1789 said:
If i can make a small suggestion. Seeing as the term of endearment used obviously upsets you, why not download Unren and change it to whatever you would prefer? It may take a little while to change in the script but it's got to be a better option than getting upset by it.
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I certainly can, and indeed I might end up doing so, thank you for the suggestion.

That said, I really only brought it up in the thread because I do like this game so much. I don't want to see the writing and dialogue that has supported this style of story for so long devolve into the atrocity it's heading towards because I really, really want it to succeed and for the devs to do well.

I could always change it for myself, maybe even make it available as a modpatch to others, but if scripts continue to be written in the style of a 14 year old girls fanfic, then I can't imagine it ending well.

Having checked again though, it seems this is one of those times the dev team isn't involved on f95, so I guess I'll have to either join the discord or bite the bullet and pledge again to try and get my message through.
 
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Update 0.20
I did a quick translation to Portuguese, it is not a professional translation, and a simply amateur translation.

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Atualização 0.20
Fiz uma tradução para o português, não e uma Tradução profissional, e uma tradução simplesmente amadora.

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Tradução com pouca revisão para a versão : v0.20

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PS: o Mod Walkthrough Também foi traduzido

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Honestly, I fully disagree. Aside from just focusing on the fact that the term 'babe' is usually used by inexperienced couples to show possession in public along with some minor amounts of demeaning/belittling/infantilization, (take your pick,) Velle is often shown to be extremely heavily into bdsm and very experienced in sexual matters. Hell, the first time we meet her, she's got some poor bastard bound up for some SM play where she's the domme.

From experience, let me tell you - there is such a plethora of words and terms of endearment - both sweet and twisted - available, that saying 'babe' repetitively like a teenagers first relationship would grind your nerves until it stung. Even assuming she's trying to be 'sweet' in these instances, she'd only said it... maybe twice before in all of her dialogue, and always with a flirtatious tease attached like she's poking fun at the difference in their experience and making it seem like she's out of his reach.

Further, in spite of the fact that they fuck like animals from time to time, every interaction has been building familiarity, but been respectful. It made sense, like a relationship between two humans getting built. There was no clear trigger that this scene would be the one they become familiar enough with each other to exclusively use petnames. (And FFS, it's the same overuse issue that I ran into on Naira's route. Can you imagine MC and Velle fucking when Naira gets home and hears "Babe" thinking MC is calling for her? They could at least have unique petnames.)

I guess long story short, 'babe' is juvenile. I can stand its use in some circumstances where it's relevant as mentioned above, but overall, I can't stand it. The way the writing is going, every girl in that house is going to get called babe, and they're all going to call him babe, and there will be a neverending stream of 'babe' in the dialogue. God I hope I'm wrong and Neferi doesn't get pigeon holed into that linguistic trap. She's been written to be so much smarter than that.
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I might be imagining it, I haven't played the game a second time from the beginning, but it seems to me Velle has deteriorated as a character. She was more interesting/interestingly written in the beginning. So there might have really been a writer change.
 
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rowgran69 said:
if you look at the $20 or $50 one you will see a walkthrough locked there.
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So? what wrong with that? That does not mean the number of the changes are locked in game. The amount set at the dev's patreon as an incentive for people who really support the developer with real money of course. You still able to play the game without walkthrough. Modder still able to work out the heck of the walkthrough mod if they are paid as well. You can go to ask all modders whether they really need the so called walkthrough from Developers in other to make the mod. Please stop spreading nonsense.
 
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L33ch said:
You must not have played Naira's content from the last update then, because that was the offender I was referring to. I have plenty of grievances with her storyline in particular up to that point, but when they go out on a date to the... ice skating rink, I think it was(?) a switch just flipped. I am pretty sure the term got thrown in around 50 times in that one scene whereas neither of them ever used it before, and with Naira's personality generally being shy and reserved, I really can't see her unabashedly switching over to using it with zero hesitation, especially in public.
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Ok, I launched the game, went to the gallery, and replayed the event... only to realize I do not remember this event at all (yet it was unlocked)... not quite sure why. Anyway, you are correct on the fact that there were a lot of "babe"s thrown about, and it does feel odd coming from Naira. I think something more traditional would be more at home in her dialogue, like "honey" or something. Although, if I may adddress your little "especially in public" comment, shy people are not shy forever 100% of the time. Their relationships also develop and grow and as they become more comfortable with somebody, and using pet names in public becomes just as natural to them as to more confident people. It just takes more time.
Oh, and they went roller skating.
L33ch said:
As for Velle - again, I wasn't saying she wouldn't use it, because at the least she had used it a few times up to this point, but it was always in a flirtatious way to show the difference in their experience. It was never a term of familiarity or endearment because the emphasis was on slightly demeaning or goading MC.
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I quite literary have no idea where you're getting this take from. Are you sure some projection, or bad irl experiences are not bleeding through for you here? Because I never had this feeling about Velle's early interactions. "goading" the MC, sure - she was teasing a lot. "demeaning", though? Nope. Not even a little. Even the "show the difference in their experience" point you make doesn't totally sound right to me for this. And I still do not see the problem with Velle calling MC "babe", and in the latest scene, it felt quite natural to me, considering her character, and the relationship they had so far.
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And yes, I realize there are some men out there who enjoy being subs. On a personal level, I do think they are unfortunate bastards,
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You... u wot m8? Seriously, you're on a forum that showcases games with tags like Incest, Mind-control, Tentacles, NTR, and even Bestiality... and this is the place you've decided to kink-shame at? :ROFLMAO:
On a more serious note - I guess you simply do not understand anything about BDSM. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagnation, but I do know that there's more to that than one person enjoying delivering physical abuse, and other enjoying receiving it. It's all about the ability to deliver a mix of sensations. So if a guy likes being a sub, and gets that from someone he enjoys doing it with, all I say is "gratz dude".
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he's a 'poor bastard' that's getting subjected to Velle's appetite both sexual and literal while tied up. She's even able to give the MC a run for his money, and the guy can go for 300 rounds in a day stiff as a rock while shooting loads like he's got a firehose built in. The "Poor bastard" was probably getting the literal life sucked out of him, regardless of if he enjoyed it or not.
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Again, you are assuming that the guy doesn't want to be there. Are you under the impression that mind control is heavily at play here? Cause I see no evidence of that. Also, Velle has expresed a level of distaste regarding how ravenous (for lack of a better word) some of her kind can be. Hell, she straight up says that she does not follow her mother's teachings about getting as many men as possible, as often as possible to gain as much power as possible. That kind of implies that Velle only takes as much as she needs, so the guy was not likely "getting the literal life sucked out of him".

Don't get your panties in a twist, babe.
 
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Ok, I launched the game, went to the gallery, and replayed the event... only to realize I do not remember this event at all (yet it was unlocked)... not quite sure why. Anyway, you are correct on the fact that there were a lot of "babe"s thrown about, and it does feel odd coming from Naira. I think something more traditional would be more at home in her dialogue, like "honey" or something. Although, if I may adddress your little "especially in public" comment, shy people are not shy forever 100% of the time. Their relationships also develop and grow and as they become more comfortable with somebody, and using pet names in public becomes just as natural to them as to more confident people. It just takes more time.
Oh, and they went roller skating.

I quite literary have no idea where you're getting this take from. Are you sure some projection, or bad irl experiences are not bleeding through for you here? Because I never had this feeling about Velle's early interactions. "goading" the MC, sure - she was teasing a lot. "demeaning", though? Nope. Not even a little. Even the "show the difference in their experience" point you make doesn't totally sound right to me for this. And I still do not see the problem with Velle calling MC "babe", and in the latest scene, it felt quite natural to me, considering her character, and the relationship they had so far.

You... u wot m8? Seriously, you're on a forum that showcases games with tags like Incest, Mind-control, Tentacles, NTR, and even Bestiality... and this is the place you've decided to kink-shame at? :ROFLMAO:
On a more serious note - I guess you simply do not understand anything about BDSM. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagnation, but I do know that there's more to that than one person enjoying delivering physical abuse, and other enjoying receiving it. It's all about the ability to deliver a mix of sensations. So if a guy likes being a sub, and gets that from someone he enjoys doing it with, all I say is "gratz dude".

Again, you are assuming that the guy doesn't want to be there. Are you under the impression that mind control is heavily at play here? Cause I see no evidence of that. Also, Velle has expresed a level of distaste regarding how ravenous (for lack of a better word) some of her kind can be. Hell, she straight up says that she does not follow her mother's teachings about getting as many men as possible, as often as possible to gain as much power as possible. That kind of implies that Velle only takes as much as she needs, so the guy was not likely "getting the literal life sucked out of him".

Don't get your panties in a twist, babe.
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I don't know why you feel like attacking me over this, but let me clarify a few things for you.

First, you're right. Shy people won't be shy forever. I didn't say Naira couldn't come out of her shell, but she literally used all of her courage in the previous scene to keep MC away from the water nymphs hitting on him. A progressive release from shyness takes time and effort - neither of which happened here, hence why I said it was like a switch was flipped.

Second, you may not be 'an expert' with bdsm, but I am. There is no 'irl bad experience' getting mixed up in here. Using the term 'babe' or 'baby' is literally infantilizing your partner. It is a very soft form of being demeaning that people tend to think is one sidedly okay because it's commonly used. It is in fact just the very softest form of verbal degradation possible - something that if you put it into practice, should be discussed with your partner first.

Thirdly, it is not 'kink-shaming' to dislike or disagree with someone elses fetishes. There are girls out there that enjoy having holes punched into their body so they can be hung from the rafters to feel to like they're flying. I think that's weird, too. In fact, there's a lot of things that I don't consider safe or sane, and so would never practice and have difficulty relating to, so frankly, fuck off with your accusations and personal attacks. They don't help the conversation.

Finally, I never indicated in any way that the guy in Velle's scene didn't want to be there, or that he was mind controlled - but Velle does state that there is a certain threshold she needs to maintain for the sake of her mana, an amount of which only the MC can seem to meet by himself. This means that the guy she had bound up would be playing the role of a cow and getting milked for every drop of semen he has. (And before you start attacking me again with some bullshit along the lines of, 'there's no proof he was getting milked or that there was cowplay!' - it was metaphorical.)
 
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