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On mac x64, I am unable to save the game file. you know how to resolve that? Also I am unable to use other people save because it errors keeps showing up
 
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Iexist

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Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Yes, I agree personal preference for something doesnt make it good and vice versa. My issue is I think there's a subtext with games like this; bluntly I strongly suspect a lot of fans here are anime fans first and gamers second; and overlook problems with the second in their enthusiasm for the first. I hate anime. I love games. That puts me in a tricky position as an enjoyer of adult games.
I'm surprised you're touching a game like Nebel at all then if I'm being honest there. H-games tend to be their own thing that's different from Western porn games, partly due to the differences in culture and so on, and a number of those things are what makes anime different from Western animations and whatnot. If you hate anime, depending on your reasons for it, you're gonna subconsciously hate things about these games too simply because similar tropes and whatnot will pop up in subtle and not so subtle ways.

The maid cafe thing is one example. The Japanese literally invented that stuff and it's been a staple in anime and manga for ages...

Basically, I'm saying that just like how you think that people that love anime may have a bias... you likely have one too for hating it, which you should probably keep in mind.

Even ignoring that, these games need to be judged as what they are. That is to say, H-games. Aka smut delivery devices. The reason why a lot of them are bad as games is because, well, that's not really their primary purpose at the end of the day. They're not here to give an amazing gameplay experience, they're here to help people fap/schlick, whichever fits. On top of that, a lot of these circles are actually just 1-3 guys working on a game with no support, no QA, nada. Also, no proper development ethic either. It's hard for these to actually turn out a profit, so corners get cut a lot just to have something out to make money.

Few make it big like Acerola or ONEONE1, or outright companies like Dual Tail etc... and sadly for H-games, the way to success is often finding the best smut delivery niche you can fit into, and then repeatedly giving more or less the same thing to your fanbase. Innovation in this area is genuinely VERY risky...

Once I figured out the full card and component system - my critiques shifted - I still think it's overly convoluted, but the "late game player's" problems as you probably know are quite different.

The issue with the system becomes that the combat isn't conducive to the way the elemental abilities are used. In theory, you could set up some sick combos by stacking various buffs on yourself and enemies, then pop big spells that take advantage.

In practice, most enemies either die too quickly to make that matter, or the overuse of abilities like "scythe" or "charging" style hits means you have a limited window to effect these buffs. And that becomes a broader problem with all late game combat - there's two flavors of damage all almost all enemies do; either zilch, or enough to one-shot you no matter your stats. The name of the game becomes killing them before they power hit, or interrupting the power hits. Nothing else matters.

What WOULD interface well with the elemental runes buff system are enemies that were physically tough in battle, and took a number of turns to defeat, whilst doing moderate damage to the player per turn. Like I said right now it's the opposite, it's all or nothing. I also quickly figured out fire+ice was superior; not just for the stats, but it gives you the largest supply of turnless self-buffs (4), which can then be proced with the fire [II] spell (forgetting the name) for huge aoe damage at low mana cost.
Yes. I noticed those problems too. Almost all fights turn into a "One-shot the enemy before they one-shot you" type of thing in this game, and that's a problem. This is also, hilariously, what makes the Church area boss into the most dangerous boss in the game, because you can't one-shot that thing due to its mechanics and you have to be careful with it. Which means that your best option there is to just not fight it too many times to prevent the Church's levels from increasing too much, which THEN means that it becomes really annoying if L takes you there too many times in a row because you then have to lead Kana to the door or leave her do her own thing depending on how strong she is, and then you just go to a bed to speed up time so the day portion just ends.

At least there's no penalty for just timing out and leaving. Though you can also leave early if you want to piss of L, which you might wanna do if you're aiming for that one scene that specifically requires pissing him off.

Honestly, there are a number of ways that could solve this problem, and also make more catalyst combinations viable. Defensive skills that could block the one-shot attacks would be one option. Reducing the enemy's tendency to use one-shot skills is another. Introducing more healing options along with in-battle healing... etc. That said, I'm not surprised that the combat is skewed towards punishing the player as I mentioned before. At the end of the day, MC getting his ass kicked unless you play very well is part of the point which leads to preventing him from protecting Kana.

Even then, I suspect that part of the problem is the fact that this game was developed during COVID, and from what I gathered, the dev intended for it to have more to it than it already does, but had to give up on various things due to the circumstances. At the end of the day, they have to make money and all that jazz. All the beautiful CGs this game has? They sure as hell are NOT cheap to get, at all.
 
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Anyone else have trouble getting the cafe events to fire. specially the low atmosphere one and the glared at Lawrence one. All im getting is the bathroom and the missing dinner one even with low submission and low atsmophere. Any tips?
 
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It'd be nice if someone has a save for 1.2- using previous saves makes a lot of the items untranslated. I just want NG+- so I don't have to redo all the unlocks..
 

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Even ignoring that, these games need to be judged as what they are. That is to say, H-games. Aka smut delivery devices. The reason why a lot of them are bad as games is because, well, that's not really their primary purpose at the end of the day. They're not here to give an amazing gameplay experience, they're here to help people fap/schlick, whichever fits.
Just to butt in on one thing here, that's also 90% of western porn games, the other 10% being Nutaku idiot tax vip-wall games.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Honestly, there are a number of ways that could solve this problem, and also make more catalyst combinations viable. Defensive skills that could block the one-shot attacks would be one option. Reducing the enemy's tendency to use one-shot skills is another. Introducing more healing options along with in-battle healing... etc.
I really like this idea, and now that you mention it - most of the buff combinations are all damage and damage utility variants. It'd be super cool to have some thematically appropriate defense or other utility stuff. Things like "next turn enemies and players take no damage from each other"....or "some kind of shield which blocks a limited number of instances".

More stuns/cc would be cool too, right now you've a few but they're all reactive to charging...
 

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On mac x64, I am unable to save the game file. you know how to resolve that? Also I am unable to use other people save because it errors keeps showing up
Did you read the possible issues? If the fix in there doesn't work, tell me and I'll look into it.
 
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moirai145

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Did you read the possible issues? If the fix in there doesn't work, tell me and I'll look into it.
My bad, after moving to another folder, I can now save so thank you (haven't checked if I can use other people save though but if I can save, I probably can)
 

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anyone know if there's some game condition that sets a perma +100 [chance of ntr] variable? I was trying to do an ntrs style playthrough with high love yet the daytime scenes, and it seems stuck.
 

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anyone know if there's some game condition that sets a perma +100 [chance of ntr] variable? I was trying to do an ntrs style playthrough with high love yet the daytime scenes, and it seems stuck.
Day time scenes primarily depend on Kana getting her ass kicked. Which is why, if you want to maximize getting day time scenes, you need to take off all of her gear and then use the NG+ curse card(s) as well. Depending on her level, you may only need one, but if her level got high enough, you might need 2, therefore need 2 actual playthroughs, to be able to consistently have her get her ass kicked.

Even then, there's some cooldowns involved, so having more than 3 day time scenes is extremely rare. The most I've ever seen was 4. Part of the reason for that is because each day-time H-event is coded to take one hour of the day-time, and then there's a bit of time where Kana and L rest, then they have to explore again, Kana gets her ass kicked again eventually, they get back, rest, takes a bit of time, H-event...

That said, I'm not entirely aware of all that's involved in the back-end of the H-events in the day-time.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Day time scenes primarily depend on Kana getting her ass kicked. Which is why, if you want to maximize getting day time scenes, you need to take off all of her gear and then use the NG+ curse card(s) as well. Depending on her level, you may only need one, but if her level got high enough, you might need 2, therefore need 2 actual playthroughs, to be able to consistently have her get her ass kicked.

Even then, there's some cooldowns involved, so having more than 3 day time scenes is extremely rare. The most I've ever seen was 4. Part of the reason for that is because each day-time H-event is coded to take one hour of the day-time, and then there's a bit of time where Kana and L rest, then they have to explore again, Kana gets her ass kicked again eventually, they get back, rest, takes a bit of time, H-event...

That said, I'm not entirely aware of all that's involved in the back-end of the H-events in the day-time.
Understand, right now I'm having the odd situation that feels like a bug where itll say "sometings wrong maybe I should check the security monitors", then i go there and they're just standing around and no scene loads.

I've gotten a few of those scenes in the past, So i've no idea.....and this is in multiple locations, hospital, mansion, etc.

Again, I know how to get them, everything goes as usual, red heartbeat, "i need to check the monitors", then upon checking, nothing.

One thing I can think about that changed between when I did see those scenes and now (ive sold 2 videos), perhaps love crossed a threshold which bars any ntr? As I said this in extreme late game, high love playthrough.

Another thing I can think of that changed is I discovered the "secret room" in last house, which slightly changes some segments of L's dialogue - I wonder if that puts you on a "no ntr" track. When I asked about the variable, that wasn't haphazard; per this post , variable 16 refers to "chance of ntr" - and mine is at +100.

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(affection was updated from time of save file from 1040->1064)
 

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Understand, right now I'm having the odd situation that feels like a bug where itll say "sometings wrong maybe I should check the security monitors", then i go there and they're just standing around and no scene loads.

I've gotten a few of those scenes in the past, So i've no idea.....and this is in multiple locations, hospital, mansion, etc.

Again, I know how to get them, everything goes as usual, red heartbeat, "i need to check the monitors", then upon checking, nothing.

One thing I can think about that changed between when I did see those scenes and now (ive sold 2 videos), perhaps love crossed a threshold which bars any ntr? As I said this in extreme late game, high love playthrough.

Another thing I can think of that changed is I discovered the "secret room" in last house, which slightly changes some segments of L's dialogue - I wonder if that puts you on a "no ntr" track. When I asked about the variable, that wasn't haphazard; per this post , variable 16 refers to "chance of ntr" - and mine is at +100.

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(affection was updated from time of save file from 1040->1064)
I see you have some kind of cheat mod running. If you want to force an Exploration NTR event, turn Switch 52 on, and turn Switches 51, 53, 54, and 55 off (so that you don't have conflicting camera states).
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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I see you have some kind of cheat mod running. If you want to force an Exploration NTR event, turn Switch 52 on, and turn Switches 51, 53, 54, and 55 off (so that you don't have conflicting camera states).
I have no cheat mods running. Game is literally vanilla stock. It is on a newgame+ after finishing once. That screenshot is simply from an online save file reader. I'd prefer not to force anything, I just want it to work as intended and understand why.
 

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Ah. I looked at the post you mentioned. It says in that post that the variable in question has to be at "-100" to be at the highest chance of NTR, not 100. It has to be a negative value, not a positive value. From your screenshot, you have it at a positive value, so you basically set it at a level where the chance of NTR is zero.

At least, if I'm understanding the way it works correctly.

Either way, you can try it out and see what happens.
 

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Ah. I looked at the post you mentioned. It says in that post that the variable in question has to be at "-100" to be at the highest chance of NTR, not 100. It has to be a negative value, not a positive value. From your screenshot, you have it at a positive value, so you basically set it at a level where the chance of NTR is zero.

At least, if I'm understanding the way it works correctly.

Either way, you can try it out and see what happens.
I understand, again, my value would indicate there's no chance of ntr. I didn't set it there through cheats though, I'm trying to figure out what gameplay decisions LOCK the ntr variable as off.

Just to toy with it - I tried editing the value, and upon entering a new dungeon it hard reverts to 100.
 

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I understand, again, my value would indicate there's no chance of ntr. I didn't set it there through cheats though, I'm trying to figure out what gameplay decisions LOCK the ntr variable as off.

Just to toy with it - I tried editing the value, and upon entering a new dungeon it hard reverts to 100.
The only thing that should do that would be if you triggered a certain event where the MC confronts Lawrence about the truth of things and threatens him to completely stop the NTR from happening any more. However, if you hit that event, then the night NTR events should also completely stop.

This is not affection based. Unless something was changed from the version of the game I played (the 1.1 Translator Edition), the amount of affection Kana has never stops the NTR events even when you hit absurd values.

If the night events have NOT stopped, then there's something weird happening to your game, though I have no idea what or how you might have caused it to happen. Likewise, I have no idea how you could trigger the confrontation event without knowing about it. You have to do several Kana date events, and you have to finish the hide and seek games, and you have to see the hidden room AFTER all these are done, and then there's like... 2 more date events? I think? Before this gets triggered? I don't remember, it's been too long... but the fact remains that you shouldn't be able to hit this by mistake, in theory.
 
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The only thing that should do that would be if you triggered a certain event where the MC confronts Lawrence about the truth of things and threatens him to completely stop the NTR from happening any more. However, if you hit that event, then the night NTR events should also completely stop.

This is not affection based. Unless something was changed from the version of the game I played (the 1.1 Translator Edition), the amount of affection Kana has never stops the NTR events even when you hit absurd values.

If the night events have NOT stopped, then there's something weird happening to your game, though I have no idea what or how you might have caused it to happen. Likewise, I have no idea how you could trigger the confrontation event without knowing about it. You have to do several Kana date events, and you have to finish the hide and seek games, and you have to see the hidden room AFTER all these are done, and then there's like... 2 more date events? I think? Before this gets triggered? I don't remember, it's been too long... but the fact remains that you shouldn't be able to hit this by mistake, in theory.
The night events also seem to have stopped - for many nights I would let her go unmonitored, not constantly babysitting, a situation that in earlier saves would obviously lead to outside interference, yet now, nothing, she almost always goes to the model shop alone, or works alone.

Yeah I saw the hidden room, but I definitely didnt finish the ghost questline, I maybe saw 2? of the haunted house flashback sequences.

It wasn't a real confrontation with Lawrence, the only dialogue was something like "well now I know what her last name is"..... and that was it. I also had the scene where after a date Kana shares her real last name, but that was about it. It's a real weird state now, like nothing happens day in day out, feels like a dead game which is why I thought it was one step before end (to be fair I could kill end boss at any time)

If anyone's real familiar with game variables, it's attached.
 

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It always surprises me to see how divided people are over this particular game. Usually there's a clear trend of things where most people think it's good, bad or meh... but this game seems to be split between people loving it and people hating it. XD

For me, it's 4 stars at the very least, and it'd have been 5 stars outright with a few tweaks. Hell. If I were to add a review for it, I'd be tempted to just outright hit 5 stars on it because this is much better written than many NTR games out there... and unlike a huge amount of them, this is an actual game on a lot of levels and not just a scene collector with a few binary choices at best. Or a pure VN pretending to be a game, I've seen a bunch of those too tbh...

Some of the complaints also surprise me... Like those about the True Ending when stuff like Scars of Summer which is infinitely worse in terms of its True Ending, exist. Actually, there's way too many examples I could likely give if I were to dig around... Not just in the content of their true ending for NTR games, but also in terms of how you get them.

It's definitely interesting to see people's priorities here... XD
i loved the art and the game was great. my issue is just that this is porn. the delivery of the H scenes was too much of an afterthought by putting them basically solely in the gallery was the way I found them? maybe i did it wrong and there's a way to watch the H scenes ingame but if so that is not good UI, these should just be cutscenes, i shouldn't have to hunt for them. or else make the hunt part of the game and very clearly displayed. just pause the game and show them, whether i have to hunt them down or not lol
 
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