VN Ren'Py Abandoned Nephy [v0.1.5] [ESM]

[lionarslan]

First of all, thank you for taking the time to write a review about the game.

Thank you for your answer.

It is not peeping on someone, it is peeping on a family member. How is this even a topic to consider if it is good or bad?

What's the difference? Seriously. It's either peeping or not, it doesn't matter if it's on family member or not.

Is not like I closed this door and let her suffer for good. You can talk about it with her later and have a normal brother and sister relationship

Really? I have normal brother and sister relationship. In real life. Why do I need to play it in the game?

Some people really don't like to kill themselves you know. They always tell themselves it will get better and they need to fight it and they just keep on living. It happens until something click in them

You have no idea what you're talking about. But either way that's not the topic worth discussing.

Main problem in your game is you force your views and beliefs on players. And I can tell you people do not like to be forced.

 

[jxd]

I love that you have a lot of options, but I worry that this creates a lot of work for the developer and ends up being tired, since there are very few who replay the game. Although I feel that if I choose the "good" options I am missing a lot of content, perhaps that aspect should be balanced.
Personally I think that starting with a girlfriend is a great limitation, it would have been good that after a few days of meeting the girls you would have been able to choose one of them. For everything else I loved it, once the "bad" route ends, I suppose I will continue the "good" route.

 

[jxd]

This only happened because you choose something that isn't really familiar to be done

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or just choose to cheat on her with someone else.
What I want to do within the game is this, you can't choose to be a good and bad boyfriend at the same time. The game won't allow it. You will have to choose. So to sum it up Pregancey route with the girlfriend is a solo route. The rest I didn't decide yet as I answered before.

Uff I understand the proposal, but as I mentioned in my review I think that what is going to alienate a large part of the players is the issue of the imposition of the bride, since since we do not know anything about her and we have just started to know her like the rest As a girl, being limited to pleasing her by rejecting all the others, it feels somewhat inorganic, I tried the game without the incest patch, for which I felt very bad rejecting the "roommate" and personally a recommendation that I leave you just in case You did not define the whole story, it is the possibility of changing the girlfriend, or adding as a summary a little background of the relationship with the girlfriend, or if you are very generous an option where you are not a boyfriend of any but you can go on dating with some and choose a girlfriend. Obviously seeing that every option that gets you on the harem route is bad karma, I must assume that it will end in disaster, but maybe you can introduce at some point the issue of a relationship of 3, with the girlfriend and another girl, or something for the style in a route that would remain in a way down the middle.

 

[jxd]

Well, I downloaded 0.1 just looking at tags. It's no wonder I was wrong. Let's make it some kind of review.
Visual part. Strange. And that sums it all. On one hand, it's Honey Select. So I do not expect much. But dev showed us some skill. It's bad slide show, dev, really bad. Everything else is good though, I put my expectations on Honey Select level and I got what I expected. And that is good. For 0.1 it's more than good.
Story part. Well, it's not much a story but I can say a few words. Too much rails. I get that you can make good or bad choices, it's OK. It's not OK if dev decides if this or that choice is good or bad. To peep on someone... as I see it it doesn't have to be good or bad, this choice usually for player to see some naked bodies. It can be good or bad based on MC's morals. This MC don't have them he's blank state and dev made nothing to show us his moral compass. Or, better variant, help us to create his moral compass. Then the choice with MC's sister. I can tell dev that force players to do something is not good. And helping MC's sister with her feelings isn't something bad for itself. To make this choice the reason for infinite loop for children is bad for sure. So right now it is too early to say about story but storymaking seems like the one-way railroad from dev to players. Unlike Killer7 games it's not something we, players, like. Another thing I want to add is that quiz in the future. Dev told us MC will be questioned, showed us some hints and that's all. When (and if) there will be a 0.2 we will forgot all the hints. It's senseless to make all this hints and not to make a quiz with these hints.
Characters part. That's the worst. MC at 30 thinking as a teenager is a sign. No one lives till 30 if he thinks like MC, he's just try to kill himself at 18, maybe at 19 if his mind is really slow. I know what I'm talking about I had my part of such thinking in my appropriate years. And I was really slow, such thoughts was with me till I was 22. MC is loser and by itself it's not a problem. The problem is when he's comes back in time he's the same loser. When he's at last year of his school he, by storyteller's will, can have all he wants. But, alas, it's not his decision to make but some creatures from above (or maybe it's allmighty dev). So, as a player, I feel like I can choose nothhing besides two paths written by dev to players. It's like kinetik novel there's nothing that based on your actions, all actions are already written by dev, follow them if you want to see something.
And, yeah, it's bad to show as tags that are not in the game. Like pregnancy, for example. Whatever you do, it's only two days and there's no pregnant characters from the first string of code to the last, it's something that we, players may see in the future. Or not. Dev will decide.

I agree with the moral compass of the protagonist should have been included in the presentation, we only know that he had a bad life until he was 30, we do not know if it was because he was shit or was a good person. I just don't comply with expectations, we don't know anything about his life at school, whether the girls had feelings for him and he just didn't realize how stupid he is? or if these "gods" arranged his life by making every woman within 10 meters of him fall in love ...

Comment for the developer: Apparently everyone is in love with the MC, here I think that just as you helped and shared time with the "rommate", and as a consequence you half generated that you would be sorry to reject it, maybe you could extend it to the other relationships and expand the helps and interactions before they fall in love with the MC, if you don't feel that the MC's life was accommodated and you just have to follow the right path with your girlfriend, I mean just say no to all the other girls by limiting the adult content only for the girlfriend, depending on the amount of that type of content you add, I don't know to what extent it won't feel repetitive.

 

[jxd]

Thank you for your answer.


You have no idea what you're talking about. But either way that's not the topic worth discussing.

Main problem in your game is you force your views and beliefs on players. And I can tell you people do not like to be forced.

I want to contribute my experience with the subject of suicide related to the theme of the game, where the MC mentions that he was fed up at 30 for various things including work, which I saw in real life colleagues from 26/27 (2 that I met in the university) made the fatal decision, which is why the proposal does not seem unreasonable, removing the fact that each case is unique, but without going into the subject too much, now I do not have the statistics of the suicide rates to corroborate the aforementioned I'm only talking about personal experience.

 

[misdark]

Seriously dev. make up your mind.
If there is not any harem choice with the gf then WTF are you writing about? and i mean this:

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Good luck with the game and whatever but word of advice, just pick a side. either you go harem or you go solo only, meaning just pick 1 girl. no harem routes.

 

[ESM13]

I love that you have a lot of options, but I worry that this creates a lot of work for the developer and ends up being tired, since there are very few who replay the game. Although I feel that if I choose the "good" options I am missing a lot of content, perhaps that aspect should be balanced.

First of all, thank you for the review and for the rating. It meant a lot to me.
To answer your question about the developer tiredness, I knew what I was getting myself into and I ask myself this question a lot if I am ready for this and the answer was always the same. If I have people interested in the game and really enjoy playing it then I can do it.

I dont know if you ever got a response from someone like that but it litterally means anything that you could come up with. THAT INCLUDES A HAREM AND PREGNANCY combined. and hey if you going for a "normal person" that still applies cuz she said anything mate. you just shot yourself in the foot. both in realism and "harem sense".

The game wasn't meant to be played in one playthrough and no matter how many people say it, it isn't a good/bad kinetic novel. You can choose whatever you want and try to get many girls as you want. Some choices will be limit of course it is why I said there would be consequences. It was the point of my game, for the player to act like he is in charge to think of options to go with and try to get the most of what he wants to in the game.
From how I imagined it, players can have three different saves
1- Girlfriend path, where they stick to the noncheating and get a good ending for the game
2- The collect path, where they want to get the content and see what ending will go
3- The balanced path, Where they can go as they like while trying to keep a good relationship with the Gf
I not trying to force anything on anyone. It is how I imagine my game in the first place

What's the difference? Seriously. It's either peeping or not, it doesn't matter if it's on family member or not.

If you are in a relationship, it is bad to go for anyone else. This will never change. If you peep on a family member it changes your character even more that doesn't mean that peeping itself isn't bad but here is the thing once you choose to go beyond someone who knows and trusts you have a more effect on you. At least this is how I imagined it

Comment for the developer: Apparently everyone is in love with the MC, here I think that just as you helped and shared time with the "rommate", and as a consequence you half generated that you would be sorry to reject it, maybe you could extend it to the other relationships and expand the helps and interactions before they fall in love with the MC

No, not everyone is in love with the MC.

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No one should be sorry for not choosing a path where you don't want to have a relationship with a sister
She was sad because you didn't talk to her and calm her down
This is a part of what makes a big brother a good one

And guys for the last time this isn't all about adult scenes story
The main goal here isn't how many girls you want to bang. It's just a story with adult scenes in it.

 

[lionarslan]

If you are in a relationship, it is bad to go for anyone else. This will never change. If you peep on a family member it changes your character even more that doesn't mean that peeping itself isn't bad but here is the thing once you choose to go beyond someone who knows and trusts you have a more effect on you. At least this is how I imagined it

OK, first of all. MC IS NOT in a relationship, he was forced into one. Yes, it's his school crush, but it was more than 10 years ago so for the MC she's something that belong to past, not a crush anymore. I didn't have any school crush but if I was sent 20 years back I won't act on any of my university crushes (and yeah, not a single one of them knew I had a crush), they're in the past. Even if one of them suddenly appears to be my girlfriend. It changes nothing, she wasn't my girlfriend, she didn't even knew I had a crush on her so why this sudden change of mind? It raises some questions, raises MC's suspicion and doesn't make him crush over her again.
Next one, peeping. I still don't get why you consider peeping a bad thing. Successful peeping means the target never knew someone was peeping at her. Where's the betrayal of trust? Of what trust do you speaking of anyway? If I'd peep on my mother (I don't know why I'd do that, when I was 18 she was 50, but just for example) what does it change? I'm 18, virgin (I get that MC's a virgin), my mother looks younger than my younger sister (blame it on your renders), what's wrong to peep on her? It's not like I'm going to pursue my mother sexually, I just want to see some skin. Does it mean I am bad person? I don't think so. And majority of people here, I think, will agree with me. So it's still you forcing us to your beliefs.

 

[ESM13]

she wasn't my girlfriend, she didn't even knew I had a crush on her so why this sudden change of mind? It raises some questions, raises MC's suspicion and doesn't make him crush over her again

He already accepted it, man, at the end of day one.
That is what he told himself while thinking "I can mend my whole life again have a good relationship with my girlfriend and a good friendship with everyone else". He never got over it in the first place. It was like a second chance at something he never gets over it and if you don't like it just ignore her and go with everyone else. Sooner or later if you keep going you will get to a point where she will break up with you or even find out you are cheating.

Next one, peeping.

I won't discuss peeping anymore if you think it is okay who am I to argue with you?
It is your belief like I believe that peeping is bad and I never said betrayal of trust on them, I said " once you choose to go beyond someone who knows and trusts you have a more effect on you" I'm looking for the change in MC character, not anyone else

 

[SasukeSakura2010]

sweet bro! keep it up man im here to support ya

 

[BlasKyau]

He already accepted it, man, at the end of day one.
That is what he told himself while thinking "I can mend my whole life again have a good relationship with my girlfriend and a good friendship with everyone else". He never got over it in the first place. It was like a second chance at something he never gets over it and if you don't like it just ignore her and go with everyone else. Sooner or later if you keep going you will get to a point where she will break up with you or even find out you are cheating.

It's not too likely that fans of the harem genre will like your game, so I suggest removing that tag and focusing on doing individual routes.

Since I only see one ending, the only possibility that I would be interested in the game would be to be able to have a relationship with ALL the LIs that interest me. On the other hand, if the girlfriend isn't among them, I much prefer cutting off the MC's relationship with her rather than cheating on her (not actually an option that I consider). If the girlfriend doesn't interest me, but to establish a relationship with other LIs I have to cheat on her, then I'm not interested in the game. Instead of cheating on her, I prefer tell her directly that the relationship is over.

I won't discuss peeping anymore if you think it is okay who am I to argue with you?
It is your belief like I believe that peeping is bad and I never said betrayal of trust on them, I said " once you choose to go beyond someone who knows and trusts you have a more effect on you" I'm looking for the change in MC character, not anyone else

Personally, I prefer to avoid peeping whenever I can.

 

[jxd]

No, not everyone is in love with the MC.

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No one should be sorry for not choosing a path where you don't want to have a relationship with a sister
She was sad because you didn't talk to her and calm her down
This is a part of what makes a big brother a good one

And guys for the last time this isn't all about adult scenes story
The main goal here isn't how many girls you want to bang. It's just a story with adult scenes in it.

I played the version without an incest patch, which is why she was a "roommate" and not a sister, which is why it gave me some pity, that everyone is not in love with him, I don't understand much here, or the MC in it The past was very silly and a movie was created in his head that everything was going wrong, or "nephys" rewrote his life so much that he left it on a silver platter, almost like a divine advent ... which brings out a little cool, I say so far everyone seems to estimate the MC a lot at least, maybe I'm exaggerating with loving him, I understand that the very fact that several girls are after him, is part of the tests, there I mentioned it before but I go back to Mention with a "girlfriend" who says that she gives herself totally, maybe there is an opportunity to add one more girl in their relationship without being hurt in the process, maybe you can take it into account.

 

[ESM13]

I don't understand much here

Look man I understand the confusion you might get but really nothing I say is against the script itself. What was said was clear
"Well, we give him a chance to change the most fucked up time of his life, a loving girlfriend, a little change in how girls feel around him, and confidence to do what he likes"
They didn't change everything around him just little bits of where it was fucked up and now he gets to act on it. When you get to see the three girls' stories. You will understand why the change gets them into love and others like Camila if and when you play her event you see she is just interested to know why, no love or whatever and it goes to almost all the other girls.

"girlfriend" who says that she gives herself totally

I didn't really want to answer this before because it seemed silly to me that just saying the word anything means I should open the door for other girls at the same time. When your partner says they would do anything, it means that they trust you with anything like her virginity which she trust later and gave herself totally to him while she was still afraid of it. This is that anything I meant and it will go that same way during the game and not to open doors for polyamory.

 

[BlasKyau]

I didn't really want to answer this before because it seemed silly to me that just saying the word anything means I should open the door for other girls at the same time. When your partner says they would do anything, it means that they trust you with anything like her virginity which she trust later and gave herself totally to him while she was still afraid of it. This is that anything I meant and it will go that same way during the game and not to open doors for polyamory.

I still think it is better to remove the harem tag. I don't think too many fans of this genre are interested in choosing between LIs. Personally, I'm not.

 

[FloridaNed]

Next one, peeping. Successful peeping means the target never knew someone was peeping at her. Where's the betrayal of trust? Of what trust do you speaking of anyway? If I'd peep on my mother (I don't know why I'd do that, when I was 18 she was 50, but just for example) what does it change? I'm 18, virgin (I get that MC's a virgin), my mother looks younger than my younger sister (blame it on your renders), what's wrong to peep on her? It's not like I'm going to pursue my mother sexually, I just want to see some skin. Does it mean I am bad person? I don't think so. And majority of people here, I think, will agree with me. So it's still you forcing us to your beliefs.

I stumbled upon this, and had to take a minute as I sat in disbelief that a person could think like this.

"I still don't get why you consider peeping a bad thing." This is a personal falling on your part. The majority of people would, in fact, not "agree with you." The majority of people here understand that most everything on this forum is fantasy. They may indulge in their fantasies in the privacy of their own home, but they understand the moral implications of acting upon it in real life. They understand that peeping is a bad thing.

"Where's the betrayal of trust? Of what trust do you speaking of anyway?" The trust that a person has that, using your example, someone that they love and trust will respect their wishes for privacy. That they wouldn't betray that expectation.

It seems to me that you don't consider peeping "bad" because you got away with it. So, for example, you peeped on your mother, and she caught you? Your response would probably be somewhere along the lines of "Well, you weren't supposed to catch me! It's your fault you feel that I betrayed your "nonexistent trust" because I did nothing bad, this is on you". I can absolutely imagine your reaction would be accusatory towards them.

If you actually consider peeping as "not bad" I want you to peep on someone, and then tell them what you did. Go on. If it isn't bad like you say, then they wouldn't react negatively to your honesty. Your mother, your father, your siblings, your children. Family, friends. Peep on all of them and let's see if the "majority" will agree with you that it is not a "bad thing".

And what would your reaction be if you find out that your parents, siblings, children, family and friends had been peeping on you? That while you were changing your clothes, reading, fapping, browsing the web, cooking, dancing, making funny faces at the mirror or at your dog they were watching you. That you never truly had a moment to yourself. Why limit it to peeping? Maybe they have gone through your phone? Ypur room? Your computer? Your browser history? Your thoughts? Imagine finding out, but their only response was that it wasn't bad, until that one time you caught them. Then obviously that time it was bad. But those other times. The ones you never noticed? Well, you can't be mad there, since they were never caught then.

Now you have to examine all those other times you thought you were alone, and ask yourself, were you really ever truly?

Maybe you don't think yourself a bad person, but thoughts like these lead somewhere dark.

 

[ESM13]

I still think it is better to remove the harem tag. I don't think too many fans of this genre are interested in choosing between LIs. Personally, I'm not.

I really don't try to force anyone here to do anything man like I am not a bad guy or I want people to hate my game I can just say you guys are right, let me do it your way but then what do I have left. If it will be okay to have other relationships while you are with the girlfriend, how would my game go? How can I have choices as to how he acts and change during the game?
And I checked again with the f95zone devs about the tag and they said if three or more it is a harem so I'm still in the right. I will really appreciate if you guys like and play my game but if it isn't to your liking there isn't really anything I can do about it.

 

[Nova1811]

From what I'm understanding after reading through this thread is that people who like solo routes can't make their own choice of which girl they want, and people who prefer harem routes can't even get all the girls (nor pregnancy) and are made to feel like their decisions are bad.

So I'm wondering, what demographic group are you aiming for?
Because I really can't see alot of people from either groups feeling satisfied by the routes in this game

 

[ESM13]

From what I'm understanding after reading through this thread is that people who like solo routes can't make their own choice of which girl they want, and people who prefer harem routes can't even get all the girls (nor pregnancy) and are made to feel like their decisions are bad.

So I'm wondering, what demographic group are you aiming for?
Because I really can't see alot of people from either groups feeling satisfied by the routes in this game

Neither, I aim for the storytelling.

 

[BlasKyau]

I really don't try to force anyone here to do anything man like I am not a bad guy or I want people to hate my game I can just say you guys are right, let me do it your way but then what do I have left. If it will be okay to have other relationships while you are with the girlfriend, how would my game go? How can I have choices as to how he acts and change during the game?
And I checked again with the f95zone devs about the tag and they said if there or more it is a harem so I'm still in the right. I will really appreciate if you guys like and play my game but if it isn't to your liking there isn't really anything I can do about it.

If the only option for the harem is to act behind the MC's girlfriend back and cheat on her, then I can say I don't like the idea. If the MC's girlfriend doesn't fit in the harem, then the only option I have is to leave her and focus on the harem. I don't like cheating on her, and I don't want to do it.

But if the harem option is "bad", I don't like it either. I can say that if the only "good" option is to be with the girlfriend, then the game doesn't arouse any interest in me.

 

[Nova1811]

Neither, I aim for the storytelling.

A story should be a given considering the fact that you're making a visual novel, but even professional writers go for a specific group of people.

Anyway if you are just doing this as a hobby, and don't care too much about gaining supporters, i can respect that, keep doing what you're doing.
But if you are hoping to make a decent profit out of this, you will need to know who you are trying to sell your story to, and how to convince them to support you rather than the many creators who can write a good story, and still find a way to give the customers what they want