I might be in the minority of femdom lovers in that I didn't enjoy those games either.
Thats my main issue with pretty much all femdom heavy games. Its not about pleasure for both parties its all so hardcore with humiliation, emasculation, orgasm denial and a lot of rape. Its supposed to be two people usually a dom and a sub enhancing their sex life with mutual kinks, not straight up torture.
I only started playing and do not enjoy most femdom (as it tends to get too hardcore), but I think the main problems are is that it removes any feeling of choice, and it can make many people dislike her, even if she was only "obeying" orders.
I am not saying to change it as I do not know how it will affect the story, but it can be a polarizing scene.
If you are going to change it, you could always leave the blackmail but give the player a choice to say no. She would then have to come up with a new method of trying to get the MC involved (maybe by offering herself for a more "dom" choice). That is just what first occurred to me, but you should also not ruin the story by changing things either.
Yeah, you're right on that part. It wasn't my intention to polarize.
This is just the hook to move on to the main story, so I think I can change at least this part of the scene without affecting the story.
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my 2cent:
the label in the op was misleading, which somehow wasn't really true anymore with the blackmail.
some didn't like that, but dev got that right in hindsight so that everyone can now decide to whether they like it or not to play.
Andrea was an interesting character to start with for me, but now she is afflicted with a small flaw in my opinion.
i hope that changes again to the positive in the further course.
the blackmail felt unnecessary, could have been solved differently like "let me teach/guide you" or "I'll show you things that will change your life if you are willing to give it a go".
i don't know, Asmodeus_ has an idea how the end goal looks like and is ready to accept criticism and suggestions and I'm sure it will be a good femdom game.
shouldn't it appeal to me in the end I can still say it was an interesting experience and don't start a rant (as many others like to do) just because i don't like this and that.
and now i'm curious what the future brings, keep up the good work.
the label in the op was misleading, which somehow wasn't really true anymore with the blackmail.
some didn't like that, but dev got that right in hindsight so that everyone can now decide to whether they like it or not to play.
Andrea was an interesting character to start with for me, but now she is afflicted with a small flaw in my opinion.
i hope that changes again to the positive in the further course.
the blackmail felt unnecessary, could have been solved differently like "let me teach/guide you" or "I'll show you things that will change your life if you are willing to give it a go".
i don't know, Asmodeus_ has an idea how the end goal looks like and is ready to accept criticism and suggestions and I'm sure it will be a good femdom game.
shouldn't it appeal to me in the end I can still say it was an interesting experience and don't start a rant (as many others like to do) just because i don't like this and that.
and now i'm curious what the future brings, keep up the good work.
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I agree. When we're talking femdom in a relationship, this is the case. And I intend to put this kind of relationship in the game. But this requires two mature individuals that know what they're doing (or at least a dom that knows what she's doing).
In this game though, it's not clear if Andrea is an "educated dom". Meaning that she might not know how to sexually dominate. She might be just expressing her own kinks or her own issues.
Thank you for the kind words!
Yeah, I want to make this game as pleasurable as it can be. But as a creator, I have my blind spots
Through these wonderful discussions I learn too and I'm always open to improving myself as a writer and the game alongside with me.
And yes, your suggestion (similar to what others have suggested), seems the most fitting way to move forward with this path.
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Of course, it was. No consens = rape. It wasn't successful. It was a huge theme in its thread.
I am astounded how many devs don't see it in such a way and for many people this is a huge turn-off including me.
Don't mean it personal, to you, of course. But what do you think it is instead?
I liked the changes you've made to the game. And I like to turn the tables games. I love Maledom. Annoying dominant women is fun for me. I knew this is a mainly femdom game. But you gave us a dominant route too.
Your game delivered exactly that. Yes, we need an obstacle and an antagonist. I understand. We have three now. Andrea committed a crime and is now a burned and for some irredeemable character.
Dominating women because another woman say it to you is not dominating, it is still submissive behavior.
No Problem with the blackmailing per se. But it was too simple. It was too easy for Andrea. And the most annoying thing was the MC, which acted dumb.
If he is on the dominant route, Andrea wouldn't be a goddess to him, but an equal.
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Just hope you don't fall into the trap of rewriting your work again and again to appease every complaint you see. Estate: Dominate and other games got hugely popular despite themes like blackmail - just keep in mind that usually, for every complaint you see, there are ten people silently enjoying what you make.
You have something really unique here and I'd hate to see it fade away or burn you out. I personally love that the MC is a shy, awkward dude and not a typical chad bro like you get in every other game, and I'm very intrigued by this web of femdom he's being drawn into. Keep being awesome, dude
You have something really unique here and I'd hate to see it fade away or burn you out. I personally love that the MC is a shy, awkward dude and not a typical chad bro like you get in every other game, and I'm very intrigued by this web of femdom he's being drawn into. Keep being awesome, dude
She appears in CH1 and again in CH4. And she will appear again, don’t worryI see no Tina in this update
Thank you for your words of encouragement! It means a lot and coming from you, a person that followed and supported this game from the start!Just hope you don't fall into the trap of rewriting your work again and again to appease every complaint you see. Estate: Dominate and other games got hugely popular despite themes like blackmail - just keep in mind that usually, for every complaint you see, there are ten people silently enjoying what you make.
You have something really unique here and I'd hate to see it fade away or burn you out. I personally love that the MC is a shy, awkward dude and not a typical chad bro like you get in every other game, and I'm very intrigued by this web of femdom he's being drawn into. Keep being awesome, dude
Yeah, I was having second thoughts. People can judge only by what is released so far, and that’s why they can’t see my vision yet.
I thought a lot about it and discussed it with my “inner circle” and if the MC is too CHAD to willingly accept Andrea’s offer, there’s no way to move the plot forward other than blackmail.
I know it sucks for the dom path for now, but that gives incentive for revenge later. That’s what a dom would do in an un-winnable situation; he’d think I might lose the battle, but i’ll certainly win the war.
That’s the narrative that makes more sense to me, I’ll just do some revisions in the script to make sure it’s clearly conveyed.
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It's more or less what I had assumed
I may be weird, but without the revenge for the blackmail my interest in the game is nil.
I don't like the MC blackmailing an LI for sexual favors. If it cannot be avoided, it is very likely that I will end up abandoning the game or that, if I know it from the beginning, I will not play it and find another one.
I also don't like the MC being blackmailed, but the game might interest me if I can get revenge at the blackmailer. But the sex scenes derived from blackmail will not please me, and will only increase my interest in revenge.
But these are my tastes, and I don't know if they will be shared by many people.
I haven't seen anyone take pictures of the MC's little soldier. A blonde tried it in the bathroom, but I told her to go to hell and didn't do what she said. I don't remember any other occasion in which this could have happened.
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If you can revise it to where it actually appears to be an unwinnable situation, that may help. I think what irked myself and some others was that it was a clearly, easily winnable situation in which the MC refused to take the obvious actions to extricate himself.
In the end, you'll always lose some players who can't handle the MC's submission at all. That's fine, you can't please everyone. But there are some players who can accept the MC undergoing hardship for a while as long as they get to make consistent character choices.
My problem with (the current version of) the scene with Andrea isn't that she's a blackmailing cunt, but that it spoils the logic of the character and the world. All games railroad the player to some extent, but here the railroading becomes so blatant that it ruins any chance of my immersion in the story, as I'll clearly have no say in it anyway.
Thank you for taking the time to explain.
As I've said in another post. The blackmail is the only way moving forward with this path. And the revenge is one of the options to come back at her.
There's no intention to blackmail other LIs, but in the scenario of revenge all are possible. What I mean is to blackmail the blackmailer.
There's no intention to make this an incest game at this moment.
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Well said, many authors fell into that trap and ruined their game or their motivation. Be creative your own way and good things will come outJust hope you don't fall into the trap of rewriting your work again and again to appease every complaint you see. Estate: Dominate and other games got hugely popular despite themes like blackmail - just keep in mind that usually, for every complaint you see, there are ten people silently enjoying what you make.
You have something really unique here and I'd hate to see it fade away or burn you out. I personally love that the MC is a shy, awkward dude and not a typical chad bro like you get in every other game, and I'm very intrigued by this web of femdom he's being drawn into. Keep being awesome, dude
So what you're saying is that the thing she blackmails you over is the issue here.
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I have never seen it in such a way. If that's true, and I believe you mean it, then the Dom route is the Problem.
I did avoid the story? Which means I have chosen a Path I shouldn't have done. I am on a route where I am not allowed to be. Which brings in the next question.
Why do you create a Dom route, then? Yes a Dom player will not be interested in Femdom which is obviously. But it is a route in your game. I don't mean it ill. I never thought I am on route which ignores the purposeof the game.
I am seriously confused now. It explains why the Blackmail scene was written in such a way. I recommend you to call it the brat route. This would make things clearer.
I'm starting to understand now, but this is strange.
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