VN Ren'Py Abandoned Normal Trade Relations [v0.35] [Lostworks]

[RishBish]

I love in every game that may or may not have NTR we have people always crying around and cucking themselves because of a game they perceive to be about being cucked. It makes me giggle with delight thinking about how they do more to themselves than the game/novel/movie/tv show would do to them if they watched, read, or played them.

That being said, while I don't usually enjoy the idea of unfaithfulness, I think the idea behind this is interesting and I wish I could play it, but I only play FeMC games/stories with sapphic romances/relationships, though on occasion I will dive into a het relationship/romance game, but that is very rare.

After you finish your work on this one, do you think the team would make something similar from a FeMC perspective? I'd love to try out something like what you've been describing with a different perspective - one in which I could play my own gender. Bonus points if it is a sapphic relationship.

 

[mc loving VI]

I didn't understend the story: What read the MC in the diary ?? Something about a clinic ? What happened ??



Miranda friend says something about the old diarys of Miranda, "better the MC don't find them" or something like that, I appers that Miranda was some kind of whore, poor bastard

 

[m4pII]

I like Miranda..? More precisely, I like the mask she puts on herself.
It's pretty obvious she's just as much of a slut "free spirit" as Rhiannon, but matured and able to restrain herself.
In theory, in the next update, she should meet her alpha-chad ex in a restaurant. Let's see how quickly her mask falls off along with her panties.

From the last dialogue, I understood that the couple had problems conceiving a child. I'm sure her ex would be happy to help. The so-called normal trade relations.

I will add that there is a huge red flag in the story - Miranda's friends and employees know more about her past and present than her husband. They practically throw it in his face.
She has secrets from him, but he acts like it's a matter of course. Such a nice guy.

 

[D2taA]

You are not wrong, that could be the long term result of what could go on, however, you are forgetting that this is an AVN and not a real life issue. Just like how the show is, and how some movies are, and some books are, after the part where it says "the end", rest is not our responsibility, we do not have to sit down and think about what may have happened, I personally have no idea what Frodo did when he left the shire at the end to be fair.

More importantly, this is not a "fuck other guys and leave your husband" material thing, neither is it an "mc loves watching her wife getting railed" thing neither. This is more relationship dynamic, as much as we all know NTR is coming, but it is more about how everyone involved is actually involved, sure NTR will exist, but there will be much more than that, and MC is not empty handed either, there are multiple women characters in the game for a reason, and multiple guys, its a bit different situation.

If you want to feel attached to a character, you may see some upsetting scenes for sure, but there will be scenes to root for as well, for ALL characters, major or minor, they will all have good scenes for them and we are going to end up seeing everyone get involved with the story, sexual or not, there will be a lot of story for everyone. This is not a "woman fucks other guys because she likes to get fucked with a bigger dick than her husband, and her husband cleans her after bull fucks her" type of NTR, this is a story, this is a big one, and it involves everyone and their passions, not just a single character.

One thing we are sure of is that NTR lovers will like it, but the people who enjoy the husband will get to see some good stuff as well, that will not be missed opportunity, and there are plenty of sex scenes without a doubt as well, we are having one cool sex scene per update, so that's one scene per month, sure when you are starting at the very beginning like us right now, that's just 2 with the new update, but over time that will be even more, and we will get to see multiple sex scenes per update in the future when things start to go hot.

I don't know if she will be dumped after the "end" part, but from what I can say right now, it will be just a hot period for everyone involved, not just her, but everyone, which means that it will not be "you fucked some other guy, so I divorce you" type of ending, that's definitely not the case here, we are going to see a couple, who go out and look for what they need, instead of pushing each other to become what they need from each other, a couple that accepts each other for who they are, and look for what they need time to time from others, and then come back to each other in the end.

I got no problem with how you write your game, I no it's not real life just like the show wasn't real life or the book. I'm saying it dos mirror women thou, but it doesn't mirror real men. A man wouldn't act like how their portrayed, he wouldn't play the pick me game. Even before I was married and still dating if some other dude came along n was n the picture I was out,my choice. I'd tell'em I ain't goin into competition and if your undecided I'll make the choice for you and go my own way. If your with someone shouldn't get in that situation where you would have to choose.

Write your VN the way u want, and don't change because people don't like it. My main thing is it would be nice if some of these games would give the guys some backbone. Make the chic have to work to cheat and put some thought into running around. Instead of her doing it in open and the guy just jerks off when his chic tells him bout her fucking around on him.

 

[m4pII]

I got no problem with how you write your game, I no it's not real life just like the show wasn't real life or the book. I'm saying it dos mirror women thou, but it doesn't mirror real men. A man wouldn't act like how their portrayed, he wouldn't play the pick me game. Even before I was married and still dating if some other dude came along n was n the picture I was out,my choice. I'd tell'em I ain't goin into competition and if your undecided I'll make the choice for you and go my own way. If your with someone shouldn't get in that situation where you would have to choose.

Write your VN the way u want, and don't change because people don't like it. My main thing is it would be nice if some of these games would give the guys some backbone. Make the chic have to work to cheat and put some thought into running around. Instead of her doing it in open and the guy just jerks off when his chic tells him bout her fucking around on him.

I agree... and not really. These days, most guys are "nice guys," simps who put a pretty girl on a pedestal and are ready to kiss her footprints.
I have no idea how it was before, but unfortunately, now, in the age of instagram, tiktok and onlyfans, this is true.

That is, I don’t like the character of MC either, but it’s hard for me to argue with the author about his authenticity)

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Hey man, so far it's avoided all the "Is NTR optional" questions. That being said, I still do recommend you give it a try. I'm not going for the traditional netorare thing, I do want to make it more complex like in Anna Karenina or Sex/Life.

Personally my only interest in the NTR is that it doesn't happen. I see it in black and white, without nuances. If there is unavoidable NTR, I don't like the game (the only option is to be able send the LI to hell, although I may not get to that point), if it can be avoided, then I might be interested in the game. There is no middle option.

It's not what every fan of romance would be interested in, I agree. But there are some out there who would be interested in it and maybe you're one of them. You never know until you try when we get to that point.

Some people view "play as" as simply being able to see the thoughts and follow those characters around. If that's how you view it, then yes, you will "play as" the Anna or the Vronsky here. I view being able to "play as" a character in a VN as which character you as the player can make decisions with. So, in my perspective, as of now, you will only be able to "play as" the Karenin of the VN - that is if you make him the Karenin.

I play as if I were the MC, I don't play any other way. If there are a lot of characters to make decisions with, I usually quit the game because it's not easy to identify with one. I like games that only have one MC who makes the decisions (although you can occasionally make decisions for others, it is clear that the main character is one and you can identify with him)

 

[jackalltheway]

Hey no worries man, I'm just glad that we get to here and talk about stuff like this. One of the things about Sex/Life that fascinated me was just how much of an advantage the antagonist Brad had over the "cuck" Cooper (I put that in quotes since he never actually got cucked). Brad was handsome, Cooper looks like Ron DeSantis mixed with Chad Gable. Brad had a big dick, Cooper didn't. But at the end of the day, Cooper wasn't a basic cuck in other games who took it laying down. He fought for his wife and for his family rather than watching them fuck and jerk off to it. Similarly, in the Great Gatsby, Gatsby's got everything on his lover's husband but he still loses in the end.

I want everyone to try this game because in spite of those aesthetic points you've brought up, I want to write something that's deeper, more complex, more tragic. I think that somebody who only likes Harem games might like this game simply because it is different and it provides, or at least attempts to provide, something that makes you think.

I have the eventual reasons for possibly cheating in my head and they aren't like you'd find in typical NTR games where it's like:

Antagonist: "Yo bitch, you so fine."

Wife: "No, I'm married!"

Antagonist: "But my cock so big!"

Wife: "You're right"

*Wife blows him*

*Husband jacks off*

I like those games and some games do them very well. But I am aiming to give something deeper than that and while I do appreciate your advice and agree that it would make a hilarious game (to the point where I might do it for a fun little short game), it would betray the principle of this one if I did.

So, you don't have to try it, I'd like it if you did, but maybe in the future, there'll be something you like here.

I'm not a fan of ' husband jacking off in the corner while his wife is getting railed by another man... or men' type of NTR, so i'm glad that you take a different approach, good luck with your project, i'm looking forward to it

 

[Maxus_mudo]

Obviously the game ends with her being run over by a train... well maybe not, follow up and see!

If that were true it would definitely make this game worth playing. Love NTR but also love people getting their karmic rewards.

 

[m4pII]

If that were true it would definitely make this game worth playing. Love NTR but also love people getting their karmic rewards.

I'm not a big fan of ntr games, but I like like the stories where the main character is able to fight back, or there is an opportunity to throw a cheating whore to the curb)

 

[Kukipett]

Well that was weird, i feel like i have been watching some people talking about things i don't have a clue. You know that feeling, you meet some people who are talking about their private things and you stand here annoyed waiting for this to end.
You are asking yourself "what are they talking about!?" and then you feel that those people don't mean a thing in your life, they are strangers, so you find an excuse, you get up and you never see them again!
That's what i feel after reading that story, those people are boring, they are not attractive, the husband is an idiot, Miranda is ugly and boring, Rhiannon is a bitch and so on. And the worst part, i just saw a married couple fucking in their bedroom !!!! WHAT !!! in a porn VN !!! this is a huge mistake !! It's like watching you parents fucking, it's gross.

 

[krokos49]

Well that was weird, i feel like i have been watching some people talking about things i don't have a clue. You know that feeling, you meet some people who are talking about their private things and you stand here annoyed waiting for this to end.
You are asking yourself "what are they talking about!?" and then you feel that those people don't mean a thing in your life, they are strangers, so you find an excuse, you get up and you never see them again!
That's what i feel after reading that story, those people are boring, they are not attractive, the husband is an idiot, Miranda is ugly and boring, Rhiannon is a bitch and so on. And the worst part, i just saw a married couple fucking in their bedroom !!!! WHAT !!! in a porn VN !!! this is a huge mistake !! It's like watching you parents fucking, it's gross.

i am little bit starting to feel sorry for dev...he is trying hard to make NTR game what everyone will like cause it will be based on shit netflix serial and even worse russian literature...but even ntr fans are not interesting in this game :-(

 

[Drexelhand]

Wait, how is this tagged with Kinetic Novel and Dating Sim? How does it simulate anything if it's a linear story with no decision making? That's not a simulation...

It wasn't originally. There was a thread cleanup and I believe it got mistagged as a Kinetic Novel during that period. I'll have that cleared up as soon as possible.

 

[_Fabi_]

thx

 

[Drexelhand]

I love in every game that may or may not have NTR we have people always crying around and cucking themselves because of a game they perceive to be about being cucked. It makes me giggle with delight thinking about how they do more to themselves than the game/novel/movie/tv show would do to them if they watched, read, or played them.

That being said, while I don't usually enjoy the idea of unfaithfulness, I think the idea behind this is interesting and I wish I could play it, but I only play FeMC games/stories with sapphic romances/relationships, though on occasion I will dive into a het relationship/romance game, but that is very rare.

After you finish your work on this one, do you think the team would make something similar from a FeMC perspective? I'd love to try out something like what you've been describing with a different perspective - one in which I could play my own gender. Bonus points if it is a sapphic relationship.

I would certainly love to make another game with Pixxel but we're too early into this one and that's too far away to tell. Personally speaking, I would like to make something from a female perspective.

 

[Drexelhand]

I didn't understend the story: What read the MC in the diary ?? Something about a clinic ? What happened ??



Miranda friend says something about the old diarys of Miranda, "better the MC don't find them" or something like that, I appers that Miranda was some kind of whore, poor bastard

What he read in the diary is something you'll learn about over the course of the first part of the game. As for Miranda's old diaries, that's something we'll get to in the next update.

 

[Drexelhand]

I like Miranda..? More precisely, I like the mask she puts on herself.
It's pretty obvious she's just as much of a slut "free spirit" as Rhiannon, but matured and able to restrain herself.
In theory, in the next update, she should meet her alpha-chad ex in a restaurant. Let's see how quickly her mask falls off along with her panties.

From the last dialogue, I understood that the couple had problems conceiving a child. I'm sure her ex would be happy to help. The so-called normal trade relations.

I will add that there is a huge red flag in the story - Miranda's friends and employees know more about her past and present than her husband. They practically throw it in his face.
She has secrets from him, but he acts like it's a matter of course. Such a nice guy.

Well, I'm glad that you like Miranda and I'm glad that you picked up on the dialogue. I really wanted to create an interesting character with her. As for that red flag, that's just two people and a lot of the interactions with them are set up for the future.

 

[Drexelhand]

I got no problem with how you write your game, I no it's not real life just like the show wasn't real life or the book. I'm saying it dos mirror women thou, but it doesn't mirror real men. A man wouldn't act like how their portrayed, he wouldn't play the pick me game. Even before I was married and still dating if some other dude came along n was n the picture I was out,my choice. I'd tell'em I ain't goin into competition and if your undecided I'll make the choice for you and go my own way. If your with someone shouldn't get in that situation where you would have to choose.

Write your VN the way u want, and don't change because people don't like it. My main thing is it would be nice if some of these games would give the guys some backbone. Make the chic have to work to cheat and put some thought into running around. Instead of her doing it in open and the guy just jerks off when his chic tells him bout her fucking around on him.

The thing about us men is, we're complicated and you can't define us all in the same way. That said, I understand what you're saying and given your second paragraph, I do think that our game could interest you but we're not at that point yet in the story.

 

[Drexelhand]

I'm not a fan of ' husband jacking off in the corner while his wife is getting railed by another man... or men' type of NTR, so i'm glad that you take a different approach, good luck with your project, i'm looking forward to it

And I'm glad to have found a fan in you. Don't worry, our MC is not going to put on a Superman shirt and hide in a closet. I really want to get something more complex here.

 

[Drexelhand]

And the worst part, i just saw a married couple fucking in their bedroom !!!! WHAT !!! in a porn VN !!! this is a huge mistake !! It's like watching you parents fucking, it's gross.

The horror! It's never been done in a VN before! No worries bro, I'm sure what we get in further updates will interest you.

 

[Drexelhand]

I'm not a big fan of ntr games, but I like like the stories where the main character is able to fight back, or there is an opportunity to throw a cheating whore to the curb)

What fun would there be if you can't fight back?