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So on the one hand, I like Kim's char model alot and want to get her H Scenes.

On the other hand she's awful, Pete's a cool dude, and I want to tell him about her and reject her offer.

Does that mean no H Scenes with her in the future? Total lockout? Or can we turn the tables on her somehow?
 
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So on the one hand, I like Kim's char model alot and want to get her H Scenes.

On the other hand she's awful, Pete's a cool dude, and I want to tell him about her and reject her offer.

Does that mean no H Scenes with her in the future? Total lockout? Or can we turn the tables on her somehow?
I like Kim, or more specifically, I like that she's pretty damn evil to be fair... It's a nice change from all good girls, like some characters are dominant but still nice, Kim is pretty evil & I like the potential of that in regards to risk & consequences. Not saying your opinion is wrong or anything because I get where you're coming from, there should be a way to turn the tables on her or something similar, but likewise I hope there is also a route where things go her way.

I'm hoping given her kink is cheating, I'm hoping to be able to become her cuckold in future. I know I'm probably in a bit of a minority for that but still. Thought I'd add my opinion when I saw yours, not dismissing yours, as I say, I see where you're coming from & in reality & maybe other stories I'd agree, but I don't know I'm curious to see where her character goes.
 
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Does Emma only have a single lewd scene uptil now or 2 scenes? The gallery shows that she has 2 scenes available.
 

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Anyone knows which girls will be focussed in the next update or more specifically which of the girls will we be lewding ?
 

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Toward the end of the update we have a final talk with the exhibitionist girl (I'm terrible with names, my ignorance in this regard does not mean I'm not interested or satisfied with this game)

In it, I encountered a dialogue choice where I needed honor or sensitive to pass the check, of which I had no points in either.

At the end where it tallies your status, it said something along the lines of "You will not continue her exhibitionist lifestyle" or something like that.

Does that mean the route with her is cut off for good going forward? As it was the end of the update, I couldn't confirm myself.

Just curious so I can plan accordingly; i.e. I'll likely continue all in on the route I'm going if more than 1 playthrough is needed to see all the girls routes. Otherwise I might just restart and distribute points as I come across the checks.
 
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Toward the end of the update we have a final talk with the exhibitionist girl (I'm terrible with names, my ignorance in this regard does not mean I'm not interested or satisfied with this game)

In it, I encountered a dialogue choice where I needed honor or sensitive to pass the check, of which I had no points in either.

At the end where it tallies your status, it said something along the lines of "You will not continue her exhibitionist lifestyle" or something like that.

Does that mean the route with her is cut off for good going forward? As it was the end of the update, I couldn't confirm myself.

Just curious so I can plan accordingly; i.e. I'll likely continue all in on the route I'm going if more than 1 playthrough is needed to see all the girls routes. Otherwise I might just restart and distribute points as I come across the checks.
Her name is Lea.

If you are doing a playthrough where your choices are leading to a situation of 0 points in honor and/or sensitive, then it is a fair bet that you won't be able to keep on the "active" path for all of the girls - as you found you simply won't be able to get the required Skills.

However, I'm not the developer, just the proofreader, so I don't know for sure if there are plans to lock out further content if you are on the "You chose not to further explore Lea's exhibitionist kink." path. From a story continuity point of view, it does seem likely that you will be blocked from some things - how could the story explain a jump into fairly advanced exhibitionism scene from where your character is now?

Regarding your planning for further playthroughs:
In previous messages in this thread MrSilverLust has stated that in general he plans to make it possible to keep multiple girl's paths open simultaneously (and all girl's paths are currently possible to have open up to the end of chapter 3, if you make the correct choices), but also that there might be some mutually exclusive paths to come later.
One comment I can make is that so far there are many subtle (and not so subtle) dialogue variations based on past choices all through the story - so different playthroughs that emphasize different MC personalities can lead to interesting differences. The best example of this is Kim's encounter in chap 3, your previous choices related to her will lead to quite different conversations.
 
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However, I'm not the developer, so I don't know for sure if there are plans to lock out further content if you are on the "You chose not to further explore Lea's exhibitionist kink." path. It does seem likely from a story point of view - how could the story explain a jump into fairly advanced exhibitionism from where your character is now?
To add to this, I believe the dev has stated that choosing not to indulge in a specific kink with a girl generally will not close off her path altogether. There may be exceptions to that, e.g. if you're not into femdom you probably won't get anywhere with Deb.
 

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TY. Bit of a bummer though. I'd definitely be more keen on the "put her in her place/help pete get out of the relationship" path but that' the one that seems like it would never manifest. Ah well.
You’ll definitely be able to outsmart Kim and help Pete get out of the relationship, if you want to. It’s the “put her in her place” part that’s harder to implement, especially in a lewd context. How would you make any sort of “relationship” with Kim work after the tables have turned?

Even ignoring the problem with creating too many paths for me to handle without needing a year per update, the tricky part is to come up with a believable reason for 1) an honorable MC to be interested in that sort of thing; 2) a reason for Kim to put herself through that. How would you do it?

A cunning/asshole-ish MC could find a way to trick and turn the tables on her, via blackmail for example, but I don’t want to go into rape-ish scenes. Besides, it’d still be yet another cunning path with her, in parallel with the netori path. A submissive MC can be interesting to her after she and Pete break up, that’ll be a path, but that’s not what you’re asking for.

It’s difficult to make a path between a more dominant and honorable MC and Kim. The only thing that I see working is “a redemption arc” for her with that MC help/guidance. When the time comes, I’ll probably put that to a vote on patreon to see if there is any interest in such path. I think it could be interesting, but I fear it’s not worth of the development time because most “honorable” players will have already told Kim to fuck off.

Anyone knows which girls will be focussed in the next update or more specifically which of the girls will we be lewding ?
In the next update, all of the girls are planned to have some sort of lewd scene that’s locked behind a skill check. A couple girls will only have a scene if you’re dominant or submissive. But all the other’s will have some lewd variant appropriated to the path you’re in.

Toward the end of the update we have a final talk with the exhibitionist girl (I'm terrible with names, my ignorance in this regard does not mean I'm not interested or satisfied with this game)

In it, I encountered a dialogue choice where I needed honor or sensitive to pass the check, of which I had no points in either.

At the end where it tallies your status, it said something along the lines of "You will not continue her exhibitionist lifestyle" or something like that.

Does that mean the route with her is cut off for good going forward? As it was the end of the update, I couldn't confirm myself.
Yes, that’s the last chance to be in Lea’s path. If, by then, you don’t have the “exhibition” skill the only remaining option is to reject her, (or she will reject you even before that, if you haven’t even gathered at least 20 honorable points). In the profile menu you can see in which paths you are with every girl. If there is no path with a given girl, it’s because a choice hasn’t been made yet.

Just curious so I can plan accordingly; i.e. I'll likely continue all in on the route I'm going if more than 1 playthrough is needed to see all the girls routes. Otherwise I might just restart and distribute points as I come across the checks.
As of now, with a better distribution of points, you can have a path with every girl, no need to pick between them. That will remain true for some more chapters. Closer to the end of the game, the player will have to make a choice about who to be in a relationship with. Even after that choice, depending on other things, it doesn’t mean a player will be restricted to a single girl if you don't want to: there might be options to be in an open relationship, to secretly cheat on MC’s “official girlfriend”, etc.

Btw, in the skills menu, check the options button. You have some options there to help you play the game the way you find more interesting. There’s even a cheat option to have all the skills to make it easier for you to see all the content in one playthrough, even though you can do it well without cheats.

If you are doing a playthrough where your choices are leading to a situation of 0 points in honor and/or sensitive, then it is a fair bet that you won't be able to keep on the "active" path for all of the girls - as you found you simply won't be able to get the required Skills.
Yup. Besides that, all girls will required some skills from all trees. For example, a submissive girl might have scenes that require skills such as Dominant (manly), Painplay (Cunning), Bondage (Honorable), and/or Romance (Sensitive). If a player always gets points from just two trees, he’ll get not only enough points to get all of the skills from that tree, but also a bunch more that are now completely useless… on top of also missing scenes with all of the girls. It's much smarter to spread the points a bit among all trees. This is to encourage players to actually make choices instead of always picking the choice with a given colour, as if they were playing a kinetic novel where all of the choices were made for them ahead of time.

To add to this, I believe the dev has stated that choosing not to indulge in a specific kink with a girl generally will not close off her path altogether. There may be exceptions to that, e.g. if you're not into femdom you probably won't get anywhere with Deb.
Yes. Players shouldn’t be afraid of skipping individual scenes they don’t like. Someone isn’t into the “angryfuck” with Emma on chapter 1? They can skip it and still have a path with her. Or someone doesn’t like the feet scene with Deb in chapter 3? Or the scene with her and Carl in chapter 2? Skip them without any fear of losing the girl. Unless they’re always rejecting the same girl, they should be fine.
 

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Thanks for the answer, this is much clearer now. I was focusing on green (cunning?) and red (alpha?) exclusively. I think in my head I assumed spreading points between those 2 would be hard enough (instead of focusing on 1) given how high the final tier points are in each category. I thought I'd need to amass as many as possible per category to get the most benefits.

Clearly this was the wrong line of thinking lol. I had way more points in cunning and alpha than I could spend by the end.

Definitely gonna go back and replay this one then. Thanks again for the clarification, very much appreciated ^_^

Edit: Wanted to add a bit of feedback. I typically DO use walkthroughs if it's not kinetic because frankly I don't trust devs to create a satisfying situation in which the player's time is adequately rewarded. Which is to be expected and fully understandable given most games here are made by devs who are new and experimenting/learning.

The way this game handles this, in my opinion at least, is well done. Specifically, I like that it's centered around dialogue choices. I can't stand roaming endlessly trying to trigger some event. But a format like this game? I believe this is executed competently and rewarding in a way that should leave players satisfied, so well done on that front I say.

My only "critique" would be in regards to having all the tier unlocks visible in the skill trees before they're relevant. In my case, it led me to believe I'd need to hyper focus my points if I were going to be able to unlock them., when it's now clear they're entirely irrelevant, and likely will be for a very long time.

That said, I acknowledge this is likely more a 'me' problem, as I'm a min/maxer to my core in every game that allows me to do so xD

Anyway, in case it wasn't picked up on yet, I think the quality of the content available so far is truly impressive, and will be rooting for your success going forward.
 
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My only "critique" would be in regards to having all the tier unlocks visible in the skill trees before they're relevant. In my case, it led me to believe I'd need to hyper focus my points if I were going to be able to unlock them., when it's now clear they're entirely irrelevant, and likely will be for a very long time.
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the issue is that people who might enjoy certain advanced kinks wouldn't know for sure which stats to focus during the early events, even if there is no content for that kink yet, If I like bondage I know I should focus my points in honorable, but maybe without seeing it there, I would think I need points in manly in order to unlock bondage and focus on all the manly points, and by the time I get to buy the bondage skill I would be lacking the points to buy it and feel I wasted my time....


But hey, I honestly just go by my gut feeling all the time, and damn the consequences, I don't play games to unlock the most content or to get the best ending, I play games to put myself in interesting situations and I usually choose the option that fits my personality best no matter what.
 

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My only "critique" would be in regards to having all the tier unlocks visible in the skill trees before they're relevant. In my case, it led me to believe I'd need to hyper focus my points if I were going to be able to unlock them., when it's now clear they're entirely irrelevant, and likely will be for a very long time.
I try to give a lot of information to make it as hard as possible for a given player to miss a scene/path/character they would like to see. Which is not always easy and means that some of that information is “buried” under some menus. For example, in the latest patch updade I added the “hint” menu, inside the “skills” that shows some which a given girl might require soon. Checking it a couple times per update might help you figuring out the best way to spread your choices to have all the skills required for the girls/paths you like.

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(example for Emma: note that it shows the skills needed for either of her scene variations, even if you'll just need one. Once the game knows in which path you're with a girl, this menu is updated to show only the skills relevant for that particular path)


There’s also a "help" menu that tries to explain a bit of what I talked in the last post. It’s hard to find an easy way to pass this information with just a few sentences, though (and this menu already has a lot of text... I think most people don't even bother reading all of it).

help_1.png help_2.png help_3.png

Ideally, all of what I wrote in these last couple posts should be clear enough to help prevent that players have to start a new game/use walkthroughs. I don't think hiding skills that will only be used in the future is the solution (technically, you can already check the hint menu to figure out which skills will be needed in the short term and which ones won’t be needed for a while), but I’m also not sure that this info is being displayed as clearly as it should.

Besides all that, my way of thinking is that you, the player, know better than me how you most enjoy to play the game. Because of that, in the "options" menu inside the skills menu, there are some options you can toggle ON or OFF to get the better experience for your particular case.

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With the "cheat" option, you can even guarantee that you aren’t ever locked out of a scene for lack of points (you'll still have to choose paths and girls and all that, it just basically eliminates the point system if you think that's detrimental for your enjoyment of the game).
 

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I try to give a lot of information to make it as hard as possible for a given player to miss a scene/path/character they would like to see. Which is not always easy and means that some of that information is “buried” under some menus. For example, in the latest patch updade I added the “hint” menu, inside the “skills” that shows some which a given girl might require soon. Checking it a couple times per update might help you figuring out the best way to spread your choices to have all the skills required for the girls/paths you like.
Thanks for the explanation. I think you've done a really good job at making all the scenes achievable by the player, while still guiding one's personality to match their interests. My first play through, I maxed two of the trees, and found that I couldn't get the scenes that I wanted, but my next play-through, I played more naturally, and was able to get each scene I was most interested in with each character.
 
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Holy shit. Can't believe I missed this gem of a game till now. One of the very few games that actually does drama well! For me the only the scenes with Emma feel a bit off for some reason.

I can't support this financially as I can't use Patreon from my country but if you need any help dev, with proofreading or testing I don't mind lending a hand. To help in such a great project I would be very happy.

The puzzles, the chess, the tidbits of psychology, the girls and kinks; this game is pretty much perfect.
 
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One comment I can make is that so far there are many subtle (and not so subtle) dialogue variations based on past choices all through the story - so different playthroughs that emphasize different MC personalities can lead to interesting differences. The best example of this is Kim's encounter in chap 3, your previous choices related to her will lead to quite different conversations.
Funny you mention that... I've been trying different paths, and one time came up on a path with Kim where the MC actively questions if she'd cheat on Pete with him and seems he'd be willing to conspire to make that happen. Every playthrough I've had since then allows him to either begrudgingly go with it or refuse. Does anybody know where that particular trigger lies?
 

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Funny you mention that... I've been trying different paths, and one time came up on a path with Kim where the MC actively questions if she'd cheat on Pete with him and seems he'd be willing to conspire to make that happen. Every playthrough I've had since then allows him to either begrudgingly go with it or refuse. Does anybody know where that particular trigger lies?
That’s a quite complicated scene, but the outcome it’s basically just dependent on 2 things:
  • Is the player willing to look the other way about Kim’s escapades, or does he want to defend his friend Pete?
  • Is the player more dominant or submissive?

To check the first one, there’s one big question during the talk at the coffee shop:
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You need to pick the cunning option above to show that you don’t care that she cheats on Pete and you’ll keep quiet.
If you pick the honorable choice, the game assume that you don’t want to keep quiet and are only interested in being an honorable friend and helping Pete getting rid of her, blocking further opportunities for her to cheat on Pete with you.


Assuming you picked the cunning choice above, the rest of the scene will be playing a bit different dependently on the total amount of personality points you have gathered until that point. If you had picked more manly points than sensitive choices, the MC will act more dominant and manly. Otherwise, he will be more submissive, and Kim will take the opportunity to show him who’s in charge, opening the access to Kim's submissive path.

For the path you mentioned, you want to be dominant, so you need to have a total amount of manly points superior to the total amount of sensitive points.

At the end of the conversation, you'll have a final choice to decide if you agree or not with her:
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If you agree to that, you’ll be able to have this conversation, which I assume is what you were referring to in your post:
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In the profile, menu, you’ll see this icon and you'll know you are in Kim's "manly path" (well, at least if you choose the deal option above, you can still tell her to go fuck herself, as you can see in the last choice shwown in the dialogue above):
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So, that’s it. Let the game know you’re dominant and willing to have sex with your friend’s girlfriend, and you’ll end up on that path.

But, as long as you agree to help her, you’ll have at least one more opportunity down the line to accept to get involved with her.
 
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