VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Slick Bean]

Holly is already one accomplished writer, but she wants to study in a work environ different to what it means for already well known writers to write the books that sell.

You can be a writer and do quite well, she goes to book fares, she has a following, she is there, of course she is not New York Times best seller - that would mean she needs and has literally nothing to live for more than being at the top .. .there are still things she strives for tho, like having a normal life, not just a faceless writer for people to read.

First of all Holly never expected or focused on being succesfull as writer, she explains that to Ian who is proud of her and wish he was in her place, but still she managed to win a competition and her book became famous, but that doesn't make her suddenly rich, I know real writers and to earn a decent living as writer you need constant writing new books, hope they also succesfull and then you can finaly start living from the incomes, a lot of the money from books goes to developers and printing and only a small commission go to the writer, ofcourse the more books you sell the higher your commission will be. Being writer isn't a luxurious live for most writers, and with only one book she still will have to work somewhere or be married to some rich guy who can support her untill she has multiple bestselling books and can depend on those and with luck keep writing more books aslong she doesn't get burned up on inspiration.

Her bio speciffically reads:
Her devoted fan base ...
Her Books (many books she has written and published)
are now gaining quite a following.

I got the impression that Holly was doing it as a job to fill in the gaps between her novel's publishing. So she isn't really looking to get a promotion as she's already an established writer.

Maybe she mentioned one time that she does it for the experience? She may also love the job and Minerva is suggested to be a good mentor/role-model for her.
Its also unclear how famous she is and how much money she earns exactly. One good book isn't enough for the rest of your live (usually), you need a regular job as well.

It says in her bio that she does the internship to help earn her college degree.
I don't get it myself but that's what it says

Even accomplished writers want to finish their education, regardless of their actual skill at making money.
Just as any employee yearning for a diploma even after doing the job they want.

Yea I read that too, but she never talks about going college or such, unlike Louise does, it kinda weird. Because eventualy she spend a lot on book signings and during week on her internship, where stays the time to go college then.

Many accomplished writers do not earn anything other than recognition, no stipend and stuff like you see in the movies or all the made up bs you read about everywhere.

 

[Firaxius]

Holly is already one accomplished writer, but she wants to study in a work environ different to what it means for already well known writers to write the books that sell.

You can be a writer and do quite well, she goes to book fares, she has a following, she is there, of course she is not New York Times best seller - that would mean she needs and has literally nothing to live for more than being at the top .. .there are still things she strives for tho, like having a normal life, not just a faceless writer for people to read.

Her bio speciffically reads:
Her devoted fan base ...
Her Books (many books she has written and published)
are now gaining quite a following.




Even accomplished writers want to finish their education, regardless of their actual skill at making money.
Just as any employee yearning for a diploma even after doing the job they want.



Many accomplished writers do not earn anything other than recognition, no stipend and stuff like you see in the movies or all the made up bs you read about everywhere.

Yes but somewhat her Bio doesn't feel in line with how she talks, they mention only one book all the time, and that she writing a sequel of that book with one character having a bigger role in it. And she says she has many free books at her home and will give Ian one of them, which again was that one book she speaks most of, it would be nice to hear other titles too, because it sound so weird with mention only one title and having a bio mention more books. Not to forget that the one title was also the book winning the competition.

 

[0tt0von]

First of all Holly never expected or focused on being succesfull as writer, she explains that to Ian who is proud of her and wish he was in her place, but still she managed to win a competition and her book became famous, but that doesn't make her suddenly rich, I know real writers and to earn a decent living as writer you need constant writing new books, hope they also succesfull and then you can finaly start living from the incomes, a lot of the money from books goes to developers and printing and only a small commission go to the writer, ofcourse the more books you sell the higher your commission will be. Being writer isn't a luxurious live for most writers, and with only one book she still will have to work somewhere or be married to some rich guy who can support her untill she has multiple bestselling books and can depend on those and with luck keep writing more books aslong she doesn't get burned up on inspiration.

Yeah the numbers I gave are typical for authors who are traditionally not self published in the US which is about $1.80 per book sold. A first time author might get an advance but that would only be about $10K, and obviously the author wouldn't start making royalties till after 10K was paid off. There is also the question of what her level of success is if she hit #10 on the US fantasy weekly bestseller's list that would around 30k books moved in a week.

 

[Slick Bean]

Yes but somewhat her Bio doesn't feel in line with how she talks, they mention only one book all the time, and that she writing a sequel of that book with one character having a bigger role in it. And she says she has many free books at her home and will give Ian one of them, which again was that one book she speaks most of, it would be nice to hear other titles too, because it sound so weird with mention only one title and having a bio mention more books.

Holly is in her shell .. she will not go about opening up about work, her work, as Minerva is keeping everyone in their shells all the time, so Holly is basically doing herself all the disservice in the whole wide world working in such a horrid work environ she does not even need or want, but she feels like she could endure some more for her internship to get done and for her to finally get outta this hell.

 

[Gicoo]

Holly is in her shell .. she will not go about opening up about work, her work, as Minerva is keeping everyone in their shells all the time, so Holly is basically doing herself all the disservice in the whole wide world working in such a horrid work environ she does not even need or want, but she feels like she could endure some more for her internship to get done and for her to finally get outta this hell.

No, Minerva treats Holly well, likes and promoes her and gives her the best tasks. It's just Ian she sabotages and who she delegates the shit work to.

Her devoted fan base ...
Her Books (many books she has written and published)
are now gaining quite a following.

Thats vague. How large is her fan base, is it only local or national or world wide?

It fits more that she has moderately success, but her sole book alone wouldn't cut it, she needs to write more.

 

[Slick Bean]

No, Minerva treats Holly well, likes and promoes her and gives her the best tasks. It's just Ian she sabotages and who she delegates the shit work to.


Thats vague. How large is her fan base, is it only local or national or world wide?

It fits more that she has moderately success, but her sole book alone wouldn't cut it, she needs to write more.

The bio tells you point blank:
Holly still has her book writing gig totally separate from her internship - Minaerva is promoting Holly as she is not giving Holly anything, Holly is just a lonely intern who does whatever she has to do in order to get her degree, totally soul sucking work, precisely how Ian is feeling.

Ian, in comparison, he has no other writing gig to fall back on, Holly already has a well paying confy job as a writer for somebody else than Minerva.

 

[Gicoo]

The bio tells you point blank:

Only that Hollys book is independant from her job. The rest is your interpretation/speculation. Where is it stated that Minerva denies Holly work opportunities? The opposite is stated, that Holly gets the best tasks and praise. Holly states that she likes the work and doesn't consider it boring (since she doesn't get the boring work and isn't daily demoralized by Minerva like Ian).
It isn't stated that Holly earns so much with her publicer that she doesn't need any other job. Especially if we consider long term. Even if her first book gave her money in four if not five digits, that won't be enough money to live for the rest of her life.

 

[2016er]

Lola's approval is the most satisfying thing in this game for me and I just recently figured how to gain it. In all my prior playthroughs, I always went for Cindy but in this one I tried to help Wade out. It seems Lola could always sense my treacherous nature before but not this time. Lola>Cindy. Lola is best girl! She is so goddamn cute!

I wish just for you, there's a ending where even if you (Ian) and lena broke up, lola ran away from Lena's house and became your cat

 

[Slick Bean]

Only that Hollys book is independant from her job. The rest is your interpretation/speculation. Where is it stated that Minerva denies Holly work opportunities? The opposite is stated, that Holly gets the best tasks and praise. Holly states that she likes the work and doesn't consider it boring (since she doesn't get the boring work and isn't daily demoralized by Minerva like Ian).
It isn't stated that Holly earns so much with her publicer that she doesn't need any other job. Especially if we consider long term. Even if her first book gave her money in four if not five digits, that won't be enough money to live for the rest of her life.

Point taken, yet we know for a fact she has another paying job and that job is all the rage.
Ian only has this job and he is being bullied and belittled by Minerva in it.

 

[Leongen43]

I wish just for you, there's a ending where even if you (Ian) and lena broke up, lola ran away from Lena's house and became your cat

If Lena was smart, she would make Lola have pups and then sell the kittens as a betrayal detector. Would it be a good wedding anniversary gift?

 

[Gicoo]

A different angle on the question "Why is Holly working for Minerva when she is a successfull writer?" is that her second book could fail and without employment and further education she has no income. Holly is doubtfull of her abilities, so not relying on her second book would be in-character.

Since Eva adores Holly and everyone (Victor, her publisher, her fans) expect that her second book will be a success, I wager that Holly stays successfull, if only as a reward for her shitty privat life.


Branching from that, another topic occured to me. GGGB was great in giving extremely diverse endings. Characters could end up very successfull, but also get devastating fates. Arthur could be a millionair or die in prison, Eva could have the love of her life or commit suicide or be imprisoned, Jessica could redeem herself and be in a happy relationship or end up as a drug addicted prostitute unable to get her life together.

Currently I doubt that ORS manages to make such diverse developments and endings for its characters. Holly seems to be set up for success regardless if Ian and Lena care for her or not. She can get them as partners or even Mark, Marcel, Clark or Stan if the player doesn't link her with Ian or Lena. There is no currently no indication that she could end up broken because she was cheated on and she could fail in her career. Maybe her next books are shit if she is abused or is too busy fucking around, but there is no indication that this could be the case, the sexual empowerment is suggested to be good for her.

Its similar with Ivy. Jessica had highs and lows, flaws. Ivy seems successfull in her career and there is no indication that she has issues with men and relationships. Its hinted once or twice, but unless we get some drastic reveals and twists, I don't see Ivy ending up poor, drug addicted and alone. Even if Lena and Ian shun her, she is still successfull at Blazer, the gym, Stalkfap, and likely with Billy.

I have the impression Eva likes her characters too much and doesn't give them hardships like in GGGB.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I have the impression Eva likes her characters too much

Understatement of the fucking year LMAO!

 

[camube]

A different angle on the question "Why is Holly working for Minerva when she is a successfull writer?" is that her second book could fail and without employment and further education she has no income. Holly is doubtfull of her abilities, so not relying on her second book would be in-character.

Since Eva adores Holly and everyone (Victor, her publisher, her fans) expect that her second book will be a success, I wager that Holly stays successfull, if only as a reward for her shitty privat life.


Branching from that, another topic occured to me. GGGB was great in giving extremely diverse endings. Characters could end up very successfull, but also get devastating fates. Arthur could be a millionair or die in prison, Eva could have the love of her life or commit suicide or be imprisoned, Jessica could redeem herself and be in a happy relationship or end up as a drug addicted prostitute unable to get her life together.

Currently I doubt that ORS manages to make such diverse developments and endings for its characters. Holly seems to be set up for success regardless if Ian and Lena care for her or not. She can get them as partners or even Mark, Marcel, Clark or Stan if the player doesn't link her with Ian or Lena. There is no currently no indication that she could end up broken because she was cheated on and she could fail in her career. Maybe her next books are shit if she is abused or is too busy fucking around, but there is no indication that this could be the case, the sexual empowerment is suggested to be good for her.

Its similar with Ivy. Jessica had highs and lows, flaws. Ivy seems successfull in her career and there is no indication that she has issues with men and relationships. Its hinted once or twice, but unless we get some drastic reveals and twists, I don't see Ivy ending up poor, drug addicted and alone. Even if Lena and Ian shun her, she is still successfull at Blazer, the gym, Stalkfap, and likely with Billy.

I have the impression Eva likes her characters too much and doesn't give them hardships like in GGGB.

isn't the direction of Billy's character is to make porn (ruining things for Ivy)?

 

[atrebor68]

isn't the direction of Billy's character is to make porn (ruining things for Ivy)?

Uhm. Interesting idea put some porn movie in.
who should be the girl(s) involved ?

 

[Sethmsf]

isn't the direction of Billy's character is to make porn (ruining things for Ivy)?

That is a possibility that we all believe is true, but from what the guy says it seems like he is serious about the modeling agency and maybe that's it (at least at first), on the other hand, it seems that a career in porn It would have a more natural beginning in stalkfap itself, so we'll see what happens; What is clear is that not all the opportunities that are presented to Lena can be corrupt opportunities or the game would lose its fun.

 

[| Vee |]

...What is clear is that not all the opportunities that are presented to Lena can be corrupt opportunities or the game would lose its fun.

Really hope that is true BUT do you really think EK will Bring a Former game character into ORS, giving storyline, such importance AND not let him smash while filming. I DOUBT THAT! Especially as he is Jeremy's childhood friend(IIRC). She has plans for Billy that much is obvious and I ain't getting any Pope vibes from him specially as we know he DID a MFM earlier in-game.

 

[Blurpee69]

If Lena was smart, she would make Lola have pups and then sell the kittens as a betrayal detector. Would it be a good wedding anniversary gift?

Offspring of cats aren't pups, they're known as kits.

Currently I doubt that ORS manages to make such diverse developments and endings for its characters. Holly seems to be set up for success regardless if Ian and Lena care for her or not.

ORS is generally more grounded than GGGB was. That being said, I think Holly absolutely can still fail. We've seen how much of an influence Ivy is having on her; even if Lena starts to back off by chapter 11 in the showers, Holly questions why Lena didn't participate rather than question if what she was doing was indecent. Ivy has also been doing molly and smoking. Do you think that, especially if Lena is also participating, that Holly might not start to get distracted and fail at her writing if she starts to follow them?

Its similar with Ivy. Jessica had highs and lows, flaws. Ivy seems successfull in her career and there is no indication that she has issues with men and relationships. Its hinted once or twice, but unless we get some drastic reveals and twists, I don't see Ivy ending up poor, drug addicted and alone. Even if Lena and Ian shun her, she is still successfull at Blazer, the gym, Stalkfap, and likely with Billy.

I have the impression Eva likes her characters too much and doesn't give them hardships like in GGGB.

I mentioned it above in the Holly segment, but Ivy has been seemingly doing quite a bit of molly. Lena even questions her the second time around about her increasing usage. Eventually that will affect her work at Blazer and the gym, likely pushing her even further into Stalkfap and whatever it is that Billy is cooking. Ivy also has a much more porngraphic Stalkfap account than Lena, which again puts her on a similar path to Jessica from GGGB. All versions of Jessica mention that Ivy is going to burn out at some point and that she (Jess) is speaking from experience.

 

[Leongen43]

Really hope that is true BUT do you really think EK will Bring a Former game character into ORS, giving storyline, such importance AND not let him smash while filming. I DOUBT THAT! Especially as he is Jeremy's childhood friend(IIRC). She has plans for Billy that much is obvious and I ain't getting any Pope vibes from him specially as we know he DID a MFM earlier in-game.

Lena could do scenes like the ones in GGGB if we don't accept Seymour's offer or break the agreement, because let's face it, no one would be surprised if we have the option in the future, if Lena starts in porn while she is dating Ian and doesn't tell him When your videos appear, will Ian's horns appear at the same time or will we have to wait until he has 100,000 views for them to appear?

 

[0tt0von]

ORS is generally more grounded than GGGB was. That being said, I think Holly absolutely can still fail. We've seen how much of an influence Ivy is having on her; even if Lena starts to back off by chapter 11 in the showers, Holly questions why Lena didn't participate rather than question if what she was doing was indecent. Ivy has also been doing molly and smoking. Do you think that, especially if Lena is also participating, that Holly might not start to get distracted and fail at her writing if she starts to follow them?



I mentioned it above in the Holly segment, but Ivy has been seemingly doing quite a bit of molly. Lena even questions her the second time around about her increasing usage. Eventually that will affect her work at Blazer and the gym, likely pushing her even further into Stalkfap and whatever it is that Billy is cooking. Ivy also has a much more porngraphic Stalkfap account than Lena, which again puts her on a similar path to Jessica from GGGB. All versions of Jessica mention that Ivy is going to burn out at some point and that she (Jess) is speaking from experience.

Some promiscuous sex and molly would probably benefit Holly's writing and lots of famed writers smoked. Someone doing too much molly and getting e-tarded aint great but it aint a meth or opioid addiction either or even as bad late stage alcoholism, so on the drug front the stakes seem much lower in ORS than GGB.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Cindy's path is definitely the riskiest for Ian, I agree with that. As for being the most interesting character... idk, she strikes me as Ashley 2.0. Both being unsatisfied with their current relationship and where they are in their life and being tempted to take new opportunities presented to them. To me, it doesn't seem like Eva's turned a corner or anything of the sort. Just regurgitating some of the writing used for Ashley.

Ashley also has the option to being completely fine the current status quo, so comparing her to Cindy—who is always dissatisfied—is apple to orange.

Objectively, Cindy's path is too much trouble for almost no reward, as you've explained. So because of how much Ian loses when following her path, that's why I think it's the riskiest. Alison, however, is unquestionably my least favourite Ian option. Yandere bitch who's obviously baby trapping him if he's ignored her for too long. I'm hoping he can cut ties with her down the line.

Ironic, because if Ian pays a lot of attention to her and creampies her too much, she'll eventually make condom a necessity.

And attempting to sabatoge Ian's relationship with Lena, even though Ian's other friends have been supportive of them. Holly says she's happy for them, Emma says it, Jeremy says "if you're happy, then I'm happy, Perry and Wade seem cool with it, even Cherry, who Lena hates, says to Ian she's happy for them. Alison's got no excuses. Her inability to work up the courage to express how she feels for Ian in high school, isn't on him.

Wait, pretty sure if Ian goes exclusive with Lena and automatically breaks up with Alison, he can't pursue her anymore. Unless the variables and triggers have been changed, I don't see her trying to sabotage IanxLena.

I never understood Seymour, he literaly buys every single house, apartment, workplaces up, then he turns up all the rent to impossible to pay for everyone on top all the workplaces he own you have to work at low rate payments, that somehow feels to me a disaster for him, because noone would be able to live in his town Baluart and he should then name the town Failurart.

It's not for the poors, but for the few elites and foreign investors. It's also a debt trap for future generations wanting to have a house, but can't afford to just rely on their budget.