VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[seaoflove]

Don't consider this that I'm trying to shit on you or something but "People are NOT obligated to help you whether you help them or not!". She put her safety above and I would do the same as I don't know whether you were putting a good guy act just to lure me or not. You see this world doesn't work around our expectations. Why did you expect HER to help you just bcz you helped her? You help someone just cause you WANTED to help but you should NEVER EVER even for a second think that the person you are helping owe you something. YOU went to her to help her she didn't beg/asked you to help her. That was your good nature and shows you have humanity. But you need to change this mind set that someone owe you just bcz you helped them. That will fuck up you mind and make you hate others or at the very least trust issues. Let it go!

You are a good man by nature but you also need to learn how world operates is not to benefit us SPECIFICALLY!

I don't believe it was "Fear / Safety" issue that was her motivation. The reason that I feel that was is that she literally handed me her tire iron. Because if she figured I was a danger / threat to her then she is not going to give me an object that could very much be a murder weapon. I single smash with a tire iron could crack someones skull open like an egg.

Much more likely in my opinion is what I call the "Fuck you! I got mine!" mindset. You will see it on various levels if you go out and interact with people. I believe it is rooted in narcissism.

Like a cart in a parking lot not put back in the cart corral. They already did their shopping. They are leaving. They don't care if that blocks a parking spot, or hits someone car, or leaves the cart coral empty. Because... They got theirs.

Like if you get on a bus, and someone is listening to music loudly from their phone. No headphones, they don't' care that others don't' want to hear their taste of music. They are getting theirs.

Like that coworker that will steal someones lunch from the fridge. They don't care someone else is going hungry that day. It's all about the "Fuck you I got mine." and in this case even if it's yours.

Like the person who uses a public toilet and shits all over the seat. They don't care, they are not cleaning it up. They don't care who is coming in next.

Like the old couple that will vote against funding the public schools because their kids are already adults. They don't want their tax dollars going to something they don't benefit from directly.

It's all the same mindset... "Fuck you! I got mine!" There are a lot of these people out there.

 

[Leongen43]

I've a question for Ladies here if you're comfortable answering you can answer otherwise just ignore this post. I just want to hear female opinion on Cindy.

Put yourself in Cindy's shoes as if you ARE Cindy, what you think about Cindy's behavior towards Wade and Wade's behavior towards Cindy? Prior the cheating aspect with Ian but if you want to shed light on it you're welcome to do so.

Their problem is something normal that happens and I know from experience that it is the lack of communication between them, they do not know what the other wants and thinks about the relationship, that causes distance between them, it is a doomed relationship even if Ian were not there in the middle because they both want different things in life, Cindy wants to move forward in her life and Wade is stuck in the past, could it be?

 

[SearingFive]

Their problem is something normal that happens and I know from experience that it is the lack of communication between them, they do not know what the other wants and thinks about the relationship, that causes distance between them, it is a doomed relationship even if Ian were not there in the middle because they both want different things in life, Cindy wants to move forward in her life and Wade is stuck in the past, could it be?

From what I see. Wade is having some depression issues. He has made a bubble around him and feels safe and in control. People tend to do that because it's comforting, I think Wade even compliments the couch life. Even though he is trying for himself and Cindy to get his life back up. Cindy is not making it easier for him, she tends to gloss over Wade's mental health and does not even have a heart-to-heart talk with him. Cindy is selfish and it's not helping Wade at all. Constant berating of him in front of his friends by his GF is no prize either.

I hope Cindy opens her eyes and truly sees what Wade feels. I am pretty sure Wade would contemplate suicide if Cindy left him. They just need to communicate more.

 i "Doesn't matter. Even if you think you do it, push yourself to do it more, even if just a bit."
            i "You have to take care of a relationship, I would know... Sometimes you have to put in more time and energy during a period of time."
            i "But it will be worth it. I know you love Cindy, you don't want to lose her."

Ian was spot-on, on how to fix a relationship.

 

[| Vee |]

I don't believe it was "Fear / Safety" issue that was her motivation. The reason that I feel that was is that she literally handed me her tire iron. Because if she figured I was a danger / threat to her then she is not going to give me an object that could very much be a murder weapon. I single smash with a tire iron could crack someones skull open like an egg.

Much more likely in my opinion is what I call the "Fuck you! I got mine!" mindset. You will see it on various levels if you go out and interact with people. I believe it is rooted in narcissism.

Like a cart in a parking lot not put back in the cart corral. They already did their shopping. They are leaving. They don't care if that blocks a parking spot, or hits someone car, or leaves the cart coral empty. Because... They got theirs.

Like if you get on a bus, and someone is listening to music loudly from their phone. No headphones, they don't' care that others don't' want to hear their taste of music. They are getting theirs.

Like that coworker that will steal someones lunch from the fridge. They don't care someone else is going hungry that day. It's all about the "Fuck you I got mine." and in this case even if it's yours.

Like the person who uses a public toilet and shits all over the seat. They don't care, they are not cleaning it up. They don't care who is coming in next.

Like the old couple that will vote against funding the public schools because their kids are already adults. They don't want their tax dollars going to something they don't benefit from directly.

It's all the same mindset... "Fuck you! I got mine!" There are a lot of these people out there.

That's exactly why you need to let go of this. Either you help someone and don't expect something in return or just don't help.
You never know sometimes they might be having worse day than you, sometimes they are just like that, sometimes they are just bad people.

The point is you shouldn't hung up on these things. Help someone if it makes you happy/want to help or don't help simply to avoid this behavior from them. It's simple as that.

 

[seaoflove]

That's exactly why you need to let go of this. Either you help someone and don't expect something in return or just don't help.
You never know sometimes they might be having worse day than you, sometimes they are just like that, sometimes they are just bad people.

The point is you shouldn't hung up on these things. Help someone if it makes you happy/want to help or don't help simply to avoid this behavior from them. It's simple as that.

I have long let go of it. It's not like I dwell on such things. I forgive, but I don't forget.

It's not like I wrote down her license plate found her

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[Ragnar]

Yeah, no, you can't force someone to stay with you because you have depression or whatever. Cindy x Wade is already broken at the beginning of the game. You can try to convince her to stay with Wade but that's a toxic relationship. She has other interests and priorities beside their relationship while Wade is happy just being an eggplant.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Lena is a very poorly designed main character, her passions and interests are all over the place. I feel like there atleast needs to be a decent outline for a character before we can connect/develop them but Lena feels like a mix and match of too many character tropes piled into 1 person. I feel like her corruption is also weird because it happens so abruptly, there is no gradual decline, its just a missile downwards.

I think the developer got corruption MUCH better in Good Girl Gone Bad with Ashley and even with Holly in this game she is much better developed than the Female main character. I think the game would have been better if Holly were the Female MC instead of Lena.

Ashley's corruption at GGGB was horribly written. A nice and shy girl becomes a total whore in a couple of months and sucks dozens of dicks? Hard to believe. It was a fetish game with one-handed gameplay, nothing more, good for its time. But now GGGB looks weak, standards in AVNs have risen a lot.
At the same time, Lena is not a shy, uptight girl, she is quite relaxed and confident, not afraid to show her body by default. And the first 10 episodes of ORS were implemented well, much better than in the previous game. Lena becomes more depraved gradually and in ORS she has a motivation for corruption - financial need, which pushes her to solve her problems in the easiest possible way. Ashley didn't have that, there was no incentive to be more dirty. It was only the players kinks that made it like this. The situation with Lena's poverty, hard work, sick parents makes the player feel more reality of what is happening when she goes deeper into Stalkfap, or accepts Seymour's offer, becoming "bad".

 

[GokutheG]

I've a question for Ladies here if you're comfortable answering you can answer otherwise just ignore this post. I just want to hear female opinion on Cindy.

Put yourself in Cindy's shoes as if you ARE Cindy, what you think about Cindy's behavior towards Wade and Wade's behavior towards Cindy? Prior the cheating aspect with Ian but if you want to shed light on it you're welcome to do so.

From what we've seen from their situation so far I completely understand where Cindy is coming from. It seems like whatever fire Wade had that attracted Cindy has all but died. At a certain point if you have to constantly push for your partner to spend time with you I'd start to think she wasn't interested. Now I'd never cheat but it makes perfect sense for her to think that the grass is greener.

Honestly I can understand how Cindy would be responsive to Ian/Axel's potential advances. If your current partner seems to have little interest in you wouldn't you enjoy being around people who actually make an effort to show that they like being around you? Wade also doesn't look good because it seems like all he does is mooch off of Cindy while playing video games all day.

If it was written that Wade was actually depressed due to the death of a parent and that's what caused him to lose his job I'd be more sympathetic. Considering that Wade and Cindy were shown to be hyper competitive I'm actually surprised that we never saw Wade joining Ian/Jeremy at the gym after meeting Axel.

As it stands there is absolutely no reason to think the relationship will work out because it seems that Wade wants to put out only the bare minimum of effort to show that he actually cares. It really seems like the dev wrote their story as if to say some relationships are just doomed.(besides the obvious cheating fetish angle)

 

[dolfe67]

Ashley's corruption at GGGB was horribly written. A nice and shy girl becomes a total whore in a couple of months and sucks dozens of dicks? Hard to believe. It was a fetish game with one-handed gameplay, nothing more, good for its time. But now GGGB looks weak, standards in AVNs have risen a lot.
At the same time, Lena is not a shy, uptight girl, she is quite relaxed and confident, not afraid to show her body by default. And the first 10 episodes of ORS were implemented well, much better than in the previous game. Lena becomes more depraved gradually and in ORS she has a motivation for corruption - financial need, which pushes her to solve her problems in the easiest possible way. Ashley didn't have that, there was no incentive to be more dirty. It was only the players kinks that made it like this. The situation with Lena's poverty, hard work, sick parents makes the player feel more reality of what is happening when she goes deeper into Stalkfap, or accepts Seymour's offer, becoming "bad".

Yeah the inexperienced, nun-like good girl becoming a slut/whore is such a corruption cliché. It's popular for a reason but you can try things slighty differently

 

[BlandChili]

I've a question for Ladies here if you're comfortable answering you can answer otherwise just ignore this post. I just want to hear female opinion on Cindy.

Put yourself in Cindy's shoes as if you ARE Cindy, what you think about Cindy's behavior towards Wade and Wade's behavior towards Cindy? Prior the cheating aspect with Ian but if you want to shed light on it you're welcome to do so.

I mean, if I am in Cindy's shoes, meant to have her perspective and experiences, how could I have any opinion of her behaviour that isn't understanding? What's the exercise in judging her if we're only supposed to do it through her own lens?

 

[Gicoo]

I mean, if I am in Cindy's shoes, meant to have her perspective and experiences, how could I have any opinion of her behaviour that isn't understanding? What's the exercise in judging her if we're only supposed to do it through her own lens?

No, you should place yourself in her situation to understand it, then revert back to your own perspective and assess whether or not she is justified in her behaviour.

 

[Maviarab]

That's exactly why you need to let go of this. Either you help someone and don't expect something in return or just don't help.
You never know sometimes they might be having worse day than you, sometimes they are just like that, sometimes they are just bad people.

The point is you shouldn't hung up on these things. Help someone if it makes you happy/want to help or don't help simply to avoid this behavior from them. It's simple as that.

From what we've seen from their situation so far I completely understand where Cindy is coming from. It seems like whatever fire Wade had that attracted Cindy has all but died. At a certain point if you have to constantly push for your partner to spend time with you I'd start to think she wasn't interested. Now I'd never cheat but it makes perfect sense for her to think that the grass is greener.

Honestly I can understand how Cindy would be responsive to Ian/Axel's potential advances. If your current partner seems to have little interest in you wouldn't you enjoy being around people who actually make an effort to show that they like being around you? Wade also doesn't look good because it seems like all he does is mooch off of Cindy while playing video games all day.

If it was written that Wade was actually depressed due to the death of a parent and that's what caused him to lose his job I'd be more sympathetic. Considering that Wade and Cindy were shown to be hyper competitive I'm actually surprised that we never saw Wade joining Ian/Jeremy at the gym after meeting Axel.

As it stands there is absolutely no reason to think the relationship will work out because it seems that Wade wants to put out only the bare minimum of effort to show that he actually cares. It really seems like the dev wrote their story as if to say some relationships are just doomed.(besides the obvious cheating fetish angle)

I mean, if I am in Cindy's shoes, meant to have her perspective and experiences, how could I have any opinion of her behaviour that isn't understanding? What's the exercise in judging her if we're only supposed to do it through her own lens?

It's funny how Cindy gets so much hate and yet Wade doesn't. I'll admit I like Cindy's character, just hope if do romance her with Ian there is an option to not lose her to Axel et-al.

However, I think if we are all being brutally honest, if you try and equate a VN to real life, any woman...certainly in my long time on this earth, would fuck off if they were being treated how they are by someone like Wade, who ultimately, again being honest, is as much as a fucking loser as Perry or Stan in reality.

No self-respecting woman of her league (and Cindy is way above Wade's league) would put up with it. Is the cheating bad/wrong? Sure, but as has been said, it's there for the porn/kink effect, nothing more. Take that aside for a moment and would anyone really blame her for looking elsewhere. As I've said before, I hope they do split regardless, make for interesting story with the friend dynamics.

 

[Gicoo]

It's funny how Cindy gets so much hate and yet Wade doesn't.

Not going through over 2000 pages but my rough observation is that there is a common census both are at fault for their relationship falling apart and both make mistakes. Both get constantly critized here.

 

[GokutheG]

It's funny how Cindy gets so much hate and yet Wade doesn't. I'll admit I like Cindy's character, just hope if do romance her with Ian there is an option to not lose her to Axel et-al.

However, I think if we are all being brutally honest, if you try and equate a VN to real life, any woman...certainly in my long time on this earth, would fuck off if they were being treated how they are by someone like Wade, who ultimately, again being honest, is as much as a fucking loser as Perry or Stan in reality.

No self-respecting woman of her league (and Cindy is way above Wade's league) would put up with it. Is the cheating bad/wrong? Sure, but as has been said, it's there for the porn/kink effect, nothing more. Take that aside for a moment and would anyone really blame her for looking elsewhere. As I've said before, I hope they do split regardless, make for interesting story with the friend dynamics.

But thats the thing wasn't Wade shown as being a catch himself? He was in a band and I think it also said that he was fit and attractive until he got with Cindy. It really seems that he's suffering from depression or there was some other trauma that explains his shift in personality.(did he love his old job that much?)

I just think it's unfortunate that the dev shot down the depression angle so early. Not only would there be a reason to be sympathetic towards Wade his actual character could serve a point to the story. As it stands if Wade was removed nothing of value would be lost.

 

[Gicoo]

Wade was and is not a full character, but a secondary one to Cindy. He barely has agency, almost everything around him revolved on whether he can maintain his relationship with Cindy.
By contrast, Cindy can remain with Wade, but also end up with Axel or Ian or independent with a model career.
Currently this is evident with the upcoming beach scene. It includes Ian, Perry, Emma, Wade and potentially Lena and Holly. Everyone of these characters has different roles and possible relationships. Wade has no role there, unless Lena or Ian adress that Cindy may leave or cheat him. Once again, his character would evolve around Cindy.
Could he looking for a new partner? Could he cheat Cindy with someone? All of this involves agency which he hasn't.

 

[Leongen43]

It's funny how Cindy gets so much hate and yet Wade doesn't. I'll admit I like Cindy's character, just hope if do romance her with Ian there is an option to not lose her to Axel et-al.

However, I think if we are all being brutally honest, if you try and equate a VN to real life, any woman...certainly in my long time on this earth, would fuck off if they were being treated how they are by someone like Wade, who ultimately, again being honest, is as much as a fucking loser as Perry or Stan in reality.

No self-respecting woman of her league (and Cindy is way above Wade's league) would put up with it. Is the cheating bad/wrong? Sure, but as has been said, it's there for the porn/kink effect, nothing more. Take that aside for a moment and would anyone really blame her for looking elsewhere. As I've said before, I hope they do split regardless, make for interesting story with the friend dynamics.

You're right, it's a relationship that is doomed from the beginning because Wade is a loser who lives in the past and Cindy feels that their relationship no longer works, especially when she starts modeling, unless we have a miraculous option that doesn't create that relationship. It's lost, you just have to know when it's going to happen.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Speaking of another topic, were you the one who reported Krysis_here?

Don't talk about/question moderator decisions. It's against the rules of the forum. I've gotten a time-out before for doing it, just a friendly warning.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

That's correct.

If Alison is this obsessive yandere who won't let Ian go, then why doesn't try to "reclaim" him after breaking up? Mr. Bubu said in his walkthrough that Alison inviting Ian to her house despite already breaking up might not be a bug—which mean this action is logical for her character—yet, it's a bug. She just got disappointed at Ian and decided to fuck Jeremy not long after.

I've a question for Ladies here if you're comfortable answering you can answer otherwise just ignore this post. I just want to hear female opinion on Cindy.

Put yourself in Cindy's shoes as if you ARE Cindy, what you think about Cindy's behavior towards Wade and Wade's behavior towards Cindy? Prior the cheating aspect with Ian but if you want to shed light on it you're welcome to do so.

Clear sign of both just give up trying to communicate and understand each other. A 3rd party playing marriage counselor (like Ian) is exactly what they need; a fresh and relatively unbiased perspective of what they've done wrong and what they could've improve.

Off topic, but I have a funny feeling that Ivy might actually try to seduce Wade just to piss Cindy off.

 

[tbs9090]

Except, of course, for Seymour who took his chauffered limo. Finally, some good news.

Sorry to tell you this but seymour's limo broke down at the intersection and got sandwiched between truck-kun and bus-chan.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

It's funny how Cindy gets so much hate and yet Wade doesn't. I'll admit I like Cindy's character, just hope if do romance her with Ian there is an option to not lose her to Axel et-al.

However, I think if we are all being brutally honest, if you try and equate a VN to real life, any woman...certainly in my long time on this earth, would fuck off if they were being treated how they are by someone like Wade, who ultimately, again being honest, is as much as a fucking loser as Perry or Stan in reality.

No self-respecting woman of her league (and Cindy is way above Wade's league) would put up with it. Is the cheating bad/wrong? Sure, but as has been said, it's there for the porn/kink effect, nothing more. Take that aside for a moment and would anyone really blame her for looking elsewhere. As I've said before, I hope they do split regardless, make for interesting story with the friend dynamics.

Cindy gets more hate because we have her defenders who'll try to rationalize and excuse her shitty behaviors. Wade does have some, but never to the same degree as Cindy's.

You gotta lurk around way back. Cindy brigades were in full force shitting on Wade.