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Nah it's going to also be Seymour. With Minerva Ian can either dominate her, start a relationship, fall in line or get a new job. Seymour is the one with enough influence to screw with the writing competition either for or against him. Minerva can also become an ally to help him for the competition.
But a bit more seriously, it wouldn't surprise me if Seymour turned out to be the end boss for both of them.
Not saying that won't eventually be the case, but entering chapter 12 out of allegedly 20 something chapters, Seymour's been more antagonistic towards Lena and almost not at all towards Ian. There hardly seems to be any development between Ian and Seymour.
 

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I believe, Ian/Seymour will pick up pace at the book fair competition. He did ask for Lena to Ian and Ian got 3 options - friendly, neutral and aggressive which nets him +1, 0, -1 towards Seymour. This probably feels like how Seymour will react to Ian later in the game. The month of September will probably cover more on Ian/Seymour/Minerva/Viktor.
 
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Not saying that won't eventually be the case, but entering chapter 12 out of allegedly 20 something chapters, Seymour's been more antagonistic towards Lena and almost not at all towards Ian. There hardly seems to be any development between Ian and Seymour.
If you choose the path in which Lena is titillated enough to willingly accept Seymour's proposal, in my view, it is not really antagonistic; rather he is feeding Lena's own desires; desires which scare her. (I curiously did a speed run of Lena truly being forced into it and found the resulting antagonistic dialogue to be very unappealing.)
 

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If you choose the path in which Lena is titillated enough to willingly accept Seymour's proposal, in my view, it is not really antagonistic; rather he is feeding Lena's own desires; desires which scare her. (I curiously did a speed run of Lena truly being forced into it and found the resulting antagonistic dialogue to be very unappealing.)
Like I said in a previous post. Seymour is a relativistic villain archetype. We have to see from more than one POV to understand him. Helping Lena in his twisted way feels normal to Seymour, he thinks his aggressive guidance will fast-track Lena to the right path of excellence and the topic of closing doors for Lena is never discussed if she willingly worked for Seymour. Lena dismissing him causes us to see that Seymour was behind all those aggressive guidance which is harassing in simple terms.
It's up to us to decide that are we ok with his behaviour or not.
 

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Like I said in a previous post. Seymour is a relativistic villain archetype. We have to see from more than one POV to understand him. Helping Lena in his twisted way feels normal to Seymour, he thinks his aggressive guidance will fast-track Lena to the right path of excellence and the topic of closing doors for Lena is never discussed if she willingly worked for Seymour. Lena dismissing him causes us to see that Seymour was behind all those aggressive guidance which is harassing in simple terms.
It's up to us to decide that are we ok with his behaviour or not.
If the scenario causes tingling...then it is ok.
 

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I believe, Ian/Seymour will pick up pace at the book fair competition. He did ask for Lena to Ian and Ian got 3 options - friendly, neutral and aggressive which nets him +1, 0, -1 towards Seymour. This probably feels like how Seymour will react to Ian later in the game. The month of September will probably cover more on Ian/Seymour/Minerva/Victor.
I just hope being neutral is enough for Ian to be successful in the book competition. I really don't wanna encourage Seymour's perverted behavior.
 
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I just hope being neutral is enough for Ian to be successful in the book competition. I really don't wanna encourage Seymour's perverted behavior.
I really don't know how EK will manage Seymour/Ian/Lena. The build-up is so slow that it would need more than 3+ chapters to tie up with that pace.

If the scenario causes tingling...then it is ok.
The tingling is sadly for the ladies. For males, it's the opposite. Most of us don't find older men with perverted desires making a woman submit to lust that desirable. If it were a younger Seymour the tune of the threads would be really different. Dare I say people would actually root for him against Axel, on who would be a better dom to Lena.
 

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Sorry for asking you guys

I was looking for 100+ page at this point and never found a "Chapter 12 tournament full mod android port" did i need to wait for JD or is there any mod file i can install in my android file ?

Sorry for any inconvenience
 

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Sorry for asking you guys

I was looking for 100+ page at this point and never found a "Chapter 12 tournament full mod android port" did i need to wait for JD or is there any mod file i can install in my android file ?

Sorry for any inconvenience
Normally a full mod is released at the end of a completed chapter on Android. Chapter 12 is not finished. Use in the meantime. Every new update breaks the mod so the modders wait till the completed chapter.
 

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Normally a full mod is released at the end of a completed chapter on Android. Chapter 12 is not finished. Use in the meantime. Every new update breaks the mod so the modders wait till the completed chapter.
Thank you kind sire.
 
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If you choose the path in which Lena is titillated enough to willingly accept Seymour's proposal, in my view, it is not really antagonistic; rather he is feeding Lena's own desires; desires which scare her. (I curiously did a speed run of Lena truly being forced into it and found the resulting antagonistic dialogue to be very unappealing.)
Seymour is an intriguing character for me. I had Lena go along with the contract because I felt their back and forth was interesting. Like Seymour is so used to things going his way and I had Lena say she was more than a mere object so I'd like to see how that dynamic is developed. I hope the revamp scene didn't change that dynamic.

To me making Seymour outright antagonistic towards Lena was a bad move. Yes Seymour is an evil rich businessman but he should be attacking Lena's morals instead of trying to blackmail her because it makes him look weak and desperate. Imagine if the bad things that happens in the story could be traced back to Seymour. Alison and Wade losing their jobs is because Seymour had some businesses merge and eventho they were good they were expendable. The leap in rent is due to Seymour buying up the properties. Like make one of the places that the characters frequent go under due to new shinier businesses popping up.

While showing that Seymour business practices are hurting those around her he should be trying to lure Lena in with the good life. Like the necklace, is Lena tired of Stan and Louis' constant drama he can offer her a penthouse, support her modeling career and finally offering to help find better doctors for her parents' medical issues. Her family knows that she's been struggling to help them so how is she able to afford the doctor bills. Have them worry about what she has to do to support them.

And this would lead to Lena taking out one of Seymour's biggest obstacle in the city Emma. She's trying to fight back against Seymour's shady practices so if a Lena that's been completely seduced can try to convince her that he's not so bad and try to use the lavish lifestyle to blind her to the real issues that he's causing and having Emma added to her contact could be interesting.
 

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Seymour is an intriguing character for me. I had Lena go along with the contract because I felt their back and forth was interesting. Like Seymour is so used to things going his way and I had Lena say she was more than a mere object so I'd like to see how that dynamic is developed. I hope the revamp scene didn't change that dynamic.

To me making Seymour outright antagonistic towards Lena was a bad move. Yes Seymour is an evil rich businessman but he should be attacking Lena's morals instead of trying to blackmail her because it makes him look weak and desperate. ......

While showing that Seymour business practices are hurting those around her he should be trying to lure Lena in with the good life. Like the necklace, ...... support her modeling career and finally offering to help find better doctors for her parents' medical issues. Her family knows that she's been struggling to help them so how is she able to afford the doctor bills. Have them worry about what she has to do to support them.

And this would lead to Lena taking out one of Seymour's biggest obstacle in the city Emma. She's trying to fight back against Seymour's shady practices so if a Lena that's been completely seduced can try to convince her that he's not so bad and try to use the lavish lifestyle to blind her to the real issues that he's causing and having Emma added to her contact could be interesting.
I agree with much of what you say. Except....I only find the possibility of Ian entering the interaction interesting...not the interaction with others. (Or remotely...the possibility of Holly)

" support her modeling career" rather I would say redefine her modeling career to be one of exhibitionism to others...pushing her own limits of inhibition to the wayside...I have to say that I am looking for a much darker erotica here as I have described inmy earliest posts (despite the flak I got from others who, in my view, are looking for a conventional soap opera) .... EK herself has used the adjective "dark" for the Seymour scenario...I think she has my back on this. But...never forget...Seymour will look out for Lena's parents...that has to count for something.
 
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I agree with much of what you say. Except....I only find the possibility of Ian entering the interaction interesting...not the interaction with others. (Or remotely...the possibility of Holly)

" support her modeling career" rather I would say redefine her modeling career to be one of exhibitionism to others...pushing her own limits of inhibition to the wayside...I have to say that I am looking for a much darker erotica here as I have described inmy earliest posts (despite the flak I got from others who, in my view, are looking for a conventional soap opera) .... EK herself has used the adjective "dark" for the Seymour scenario...I think she has my back on this. But...never forget...Seymour will look out for Lena's parents...that has to count for something.
According to your posts I think your tastes are darker than mine for Lena. I do think that the possibility of Seymour using Lena's beauty to further his business empire can work but I think that would fit best if they have a poor relationship/she was reluctant to sign.

I'm not sure how Ian would fit into Lena's modeling sessions because it's possible for them to be just friends. Are you interested in how awkward they could be around each other?

I wonder if the "dark" tone that was mentioned is more focused on the mental and not the physical. Is Lena vulnerable to people with dominant personalities and if she isn't careful she's at risk of losing herself to their idea of what she should be?
 

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Seymour can have some diverging paths in how he uses Lena further down the road.
  • He can keep her for himself as a sole trophy. {slave(muse)/mind break}
  • Show off the trophy to gain leverage over competition in the snob circle. (look but don't touch) (blackmail) (seductress/temptress).
  • Share the trophy and gain leverage over competition in the snob circle. (blackmail/high-end escort/yacht party girl)
I don't think so Lena will have a freewill option when she is in too deep with Seymour.
 
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According to your posts I think your tastes are darker than mine for Lena. I do think that the possibility of Seymour using Lena's beauty to further his business empire can work but I think that would fit best if they have a poor relationship/she was reluctant to sign.

I wonder if the "dark" tone that was mentioned is more focused on the mental and not the physical. Is Lena vulnerable to people with dominant personalities and if she isn't careful she's at risk of losing herself to their idea of what she should be?
Yes...a bit darker than yours. Absolutely mental as opposed to physical.
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And so I want her fundamental master to be her own compulsion to submission which I find erotic. Outright rape to me is a turn off and that would be similar to her being blackmailed. As I mentioned above, I explored that path and discarded it.
Also, I have, Lena's intelligence and charisma maximized to give what I consider to be an erotic contrast between that and her slavish submission.
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I'm not sure how Ian would fit into Lena's modeling sessions because it's possible for them to be just friends. Are you interested in how awkward they could be around each other?
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If they are just friends, then I see no participation with Ian. One of my saves is where Lena is celibate except for a relationship with Holly. In another, I have her in a loving relationship with Ian. In that one, Lena has also given Ian's manuscript to Seymour. Here, Seymour can get leverage on both and after a suitable time of subjecting Lena to more and more erotically demeaning solo exhibitions with numerous spectators and controllers brought in...Ian can be brought into the mix and be forced into subjecting his beloved Lena to depravities that increase in intensity on a very gradual basis...so that Ian's love is very gradually eclipsed by his lust...otherwise...how can his penis be hard?

Seymour can have some diverging paths in how he uses Lena further down the road.
  • Share the trophy and gain leverage over competition in the snob circle. (blackmail/high-end escort/yacht party girl)
I don't think so Lena will have a freewill option when she is in too deep with Seymour.
I think this path would be most promising. Picardo; you amaze me. Aything can happen on a yacht. That route can wind up darker than the Dubai arc. And yes...Lena has only one or zero "will" points in my saved games.

And thats why the Seymour and Axel paths work well together,because in both Lena just gives control to others.
While I definitely agree, as I have mentioned before I personally have a turnoff where Axel is concerned. Nevertheless I will, in the future, try to include him with Seymour so as not to appear closed minded to people in this thread. Axel, unlike Ian, will want to subject Lena to the grossest of indignities, immediately throwing Lena off the deep end like....
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I think Seymour would be too soft a controller; we would need to have Agnes in charge.
 
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Anything can happen on a yacht. That route can wind up darker than the Dubai arc. And yes...Lena has only one or zero "will" points in my saved games.
Yacht scenes are the most degen places a model gets invited to. Fun fact Meghan Markle was a yacht party girl before being picked up by Prince Harry. You can check out Tom Bower's book.
IKR, 'will' points play such a crucial role. With nothing left, it's all downhill for Lena or Ian if he gets dragged into it.
 

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Yacht scenes are the most degen places a model gets invited to. Fun fact Meghan Markle was a yacht party girl before being picked up by Prince Harry. You can check out Tom Bower's book.
IKR, 'will' points play such a crucial role. With nothing left, it's all downhill for Lena or Ian if he gets dragged into it.
Once on the yacht...it sounds like anything goes....after all, when things go too far... where can a girl run? They just go too far. If Ian gets involved....an erotic awkwardness will develop between them...they will become
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Once on the yacht...it sounds like anything goes....after all, when things go too far... where can a girl run? They just go too far. If Ian gets involved....an erotic awkwardness will develop between them...they will become
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Ash getting killed off in GGGB was pretty dark. I hope Lena doesn't meet the same fate with OD or murder.
Interesting representation of Baphomet.
 
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Ash getting killed off in GGGB was pretty dark. I hope Lena doesn't meet the same fate with OD or murder.
Interesting representation of Baphomet.
My first play of GGGB ended that way. Then I did one where Eva saved her. I think an OD or murder would be a let down. I am keeping my Lena with no drugs, no smoking, and one I believe with no alcohol as well.
 
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