RC-1138 Boss

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Well, I don't agree about GGGB, as things were a bit different, and that's why I assume many players expect the same level of control in this game. Ashley is a blank slate. She didn't have much backstory to go off from so we don't really know her character, her motivations, her values, etc. She doesn't have baggage. Like a baby/child, she just has a vanilla status quo where we start the game from and she experiences everything for the first time, with the player being able to determine her character. It's as if she didn't have any socialization as a teen. She's open to anything from the start. It's obvious when you look at how different Good/Thug/Bimbo Ashleys are, that there are 0 defining personality traits that Ashley has, and everything that is there is defined by the player.
Ashley was a young adult struggling with money and living with her depressed father after the divorce from her absent mother. She also had a loving relationship with her activist boyfriend and she did had a close girl friend when the game starts.That is very far from being a blank slate character. She did had a lot of baggage in her backstory.

Same as Ian and Lena. Given time we will start to see the same kind of changes in them that happened with Ashley as the game progressed.
 
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BloodyMares

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Ashley was a young adult struggling with money and living with her depressed father after the divorce from her absent mother. She also had a loving relationship with her activist boyfriend and she did had a close girl friend when the game starts.That is very far from being a blank slate character. She did had a lot of baggage in her backstory.

Same as Ian and Lena. Given time we will start to see the same kind of changes in them that happened with Ashley as the game progressed.
Well, what you described happened in the plot, while you were playing the game. It's not backstory. Kind of like Ian and Lena have trouble with their job now, but until then it was fine (with the exception of Minerva being a jerk, as always). The backstory is what Ashley had to experience before the events of the game. And apparently, she experienced nothing aside from forming her social circle. The monetary struggle for Ashley only began when she received bad news about the scholarship and when her mother bailed (until then she wasn't absent, just hard-working). Before that, she was an average middle-class girl that didn't have any problems in life. A boyfriend and the bestie don't really count as meaningful backstory either, they don't define her as a character because any person can have those. The only backstory for her that counts is that she had a very prim and proper life, and now is very bored with her status quo, just like Light Yagami from Death Note. Anything else is defined by the choices that the player makes for her during the events of the game.

Lena and Ian actually have a backstory. You just need to read their Agenda. Lena has a bad relationship with her mother, dropped out of university, has a crazy ex that she used to adore to the point of being a sub for him, has 2 jobs (3 if you count the modeling), 1 hobby, and quite a bit of sexual experience. Ian used to play in a band, got kicked out of his house by his parents, was dumped by his girlfriend, has 1 lame job, is a geek, and wants to become an author. Notice that I haven't even talked about their friends. So, all these details help fill the blanks for the player to keep in mind while roleplaying.

If you had to write pre-GGGB Ashley's bio, what would you actually write without resorting to fan-fiction? And keep in mind that Eva, Dave and Eric as well as her parents would have their own separate bio. I somehow doubt you'd have enough details to fill it with.
 

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Just finished the current (0.5) version for the first time. Went with Ian x Alison (but with Cindy as the main target) and "bad girl" Lena. I must say that the game is really good. I really enjoyed GGGB, but for me it was just a porn game, whereas ORS is more of a story with porn elements. The characters aren't flat. Ian's circle of friends is great and it's very easy for me to identify myself with him. I like that he has clear life goals and an already defined backstory. Lena is also great, but seems a bit like a better-written version of Ashley from GGGB. Author's decision to start Lena's story in a moment of personal hardship helps reader symphatize with her.

In Ian's case, despite going hard for Cindy, I must say I'm much conflicted on whether I really should try to backstab Wade like that. Despite his obvious laziness, he seems to be a good friend who really trusts Ian and Perry. Me feeling that way is of course an evidence of how great Eva Kiss's skills as a writer are.
 

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I like reading this thread, probably my favorite one here on F95 actually. Although it, unsurprisingly, shares many aspects with other threads, I find the discussions here are a bit more interesting and well articulated.

Kudos to Eva for creating a game, pornographic no less, that can spur such interesting in-depth discussions. I rarely find other threads discussing social aspects and psychology to this degree.

That's all from me, have a nice day!
 

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I hope there's eventually a gallery. Trying to keep track of all the different paths after this many versions is... challenging. I've got a bajillion saves, and it's hard to remember which paths certain ones were after weeks/months.
 
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iainmore

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I played it through again and this them I boost things with Cindy. I have a higher relationship with her than with Lena yet no sex with her and my PC gets to fuck Lena. That seems kind of wrong and back to front. That needs some reworking.
 

ZTex

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I played it through again and this them I boost things with Cindy. I have a higher relationship with her than with Lena yet no sex with her and my PC gets to fuck Lena. That seems kind of wrong and back to front. That needs some reworking.
It's not a complete game so it really doesn't need work. You need self control otherwise you're gonna blow your shot at a Cindy X Ian route. Having sex with Lena on that route is more than likely going to backfire in the long term as it did with similar routes in the previous game Eva produced.
 

iainmore

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It's not a complete game so it really doesn't need work. You need self control otherwise you're gonna blow your shot at a Cindy X Ian route. Having sex with Lena on that route is more than likely going to backfire in the long term as it did with similar routes in the previous game Eva produced.
I was thinking that but I have plans to do several different play throughs like I did with GGGB where I tried to achieve different endings. What I don't want to do though is start again from scratch with any play through. I think some things need to backfire on the protagonists to achieve a greater number of endings, good and bad both, it was one of the good things about GGGB that it was re-playable several times. too many games here cheat us of that possibility.
 

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As a fun side note, while it was implied by the return of the bouncer, EvaKiss directly stated in her Q&A that GGGB and ORS take place in the same world. I don't think we'll have any GGGB characters taking any significant roles in ORS, but that doesn't necessarily mean short cameos are out of the picture (like Ashley in the prologue).
 

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Boy, there is going to be a huge amount of editing just to narrow down points. LOL =) (Added the numbers just to stick to key points and counterpoints. Hope you don't mind.)

1) I don't necessarily agree that he holds Lena's job over her head. While it's easy to conclude it based on the outcome, it's not what happened. ..... He has a white knight complex. While being manipulative, he tries to present himself as or actually believes to be a nice guy.

2) Before pushing the limits, Robert tries to test the waters first before doing anything.

3) You see, he plays the long game and doesn't want to end it in just a one-night stand, and definitely doesn't want to give Lena any chance to blame him for anything if it goes wrong (white knight complex at play).

4) Robert wouldn't do that because it would shatter his good-guy image. .


5) No, I'd have to disagree about Ian for now. From what this game has shown us thus far, we can't change Ian's personality too much and turn him into anything we desire.

1) Depending on the options that you pick. If you decide to skip the visit to the bar, he basically tells you that your hours are being cut and there is nothing he could do about it. But the simple fact that he WITHHOLDS that information of your job from you UNLESS you go to the bar with him? Well, that isn't just manipulative, it's kind of borderline blackmail. At least in regards to having to go out with him just to GET him to tell you about your job issues in the first place. Second point is that at the bar, he can (again depending on options picked) hide the fact that he KNOWS you are a model and been looking at your pictures online. So, he's already starting off with a huge "negative vibe" against him simple because of what he is willing to remain silent about if you don't bring it up first. Which also gets into a more "negative vibe" when you consider that you can still play that bar scene with Robert where you have been feeling a little 'put off' about him all along. As seen when discussing your personal life with Ivy(?) at the gym earlier.

2) Keep in mind, I completely agree that he isn't a "complete jerk" by any means. Just that he has already shown (or at least in a way that is playable) to withhold information from you that could make it easier to get along better with him. And when it comes to the 'first time'? Well, seeing how he has withheld information and later actions? I still think that he would have at least asked if you could consider trying something THEN instead of later on. Even if it is just getting a BJ before going to sleep instead of waiting the next morning. At least that would make more sense to me. That when Robert gets the green light to get physical but suddenly has to stop due to no condom? Well, he has struck me from the start as someone who would bring up a bj then and there, or at least seeing how firm your convictions are. But NOT go to sleep and THEN see if anything happens the next morning. That is the part that really bugs me.... the 'waiting' portion.

3) Yeah, at first I really did think he was a "White Knight" over what he did when Alex showed up. But, again depending on how you play, that can also be completely wiped out by the way that he tries to use that aspect to get you to go to the bar as well. It isn't a "huge weapon' in his arsenal, but it is a bit of a 'dagger' to use in order to hold over you all along. And if you think about it, that itself could be seen as "White Knight now, In the sack later" type of thinking on his part. It's there, no doubt, but I honestly don't see him being the 'white knight type' considering that he then gets you to give him a bj while at work WITH customers waiting on you to finish. That kind of cancels that aspect out too.

3-4) I agree that he wants something more than just a one-night stand. But he will also tell you that he isn't really in any sort of 'serious' relationship himself. Which gives him the vibe of more 'f-buddy than dating material". I mean, repeated booty-calls, but nothing 'serious' in the long run either. And as far as his 'good guy image"? A lot of that gets diminished by either his actions before or after your first night together. (Either by actions or what he says about himself.)

I guess the best way to really condense my issue is to present it like this: Robert heads up to the room. No condom is available. Robert can then do one of the following and it will be more "believable" both as a character and situation.
1) He immediately shuts down and decides to go home with a 'snide" comment down the lines of "Well, when you are sure you are ready, let me know." As he heads out the door. This leaves the no-condom concept hanging in the air without a direct discussion taking place.
2) Goes for an "oral only" evening. He goes down, you go down, he goes home. Depending on spit/swallow is how content he is. Meaning if you spit, he makes a comment like number 1, if you swallow he is satisfied ... for now, but goes home.
3) He does a direct push, just to see how far you are willing to go but not a direct "no condom at all" approach. Just a "are you sure? I mean, I can stop just before...." and leaving it there.

But ONE of these 3 should have been available instead of spending the night and THEN getting BJ. That seems to be a little too much effort on his part with too little in return.

5) I agree that Ian is somewhat limited at the moment. But it SHOULD be something that can be explored a bit more as your stats increase. That was what I meant about Ian. That when you get a high enough willpower/physical stat level, you can then play Ian more 'dom' or 'sub' depending on your mood. Higher levels means more dominate in general, lower stats means more submissive and not taking the lead or pushing boundaries at all. For now, yes, he is limited. But those limits should pick up as he goes along, especially if you are trying to play the 'playboy' type character and being with as many people as you can be with. Again, that is more 'how you play Ian" than how he is directly written.

Again, I DO LOVE this game. It is really well thought out and presents a lot of options that alters a lot of character interactions. I just think that the "go to sleep and in the morning" approach with Robert was mishandled. Or at least, a little disappointing to me in regards to how I viewed Robert at that point. Outside of THAT one moment (both leading up to it and after), everything else has been done amazingly well and I can't really find any other faults that concerns me.
 

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3-4) I agree that he wants something more than just a one-night stand. But he will also tell you that he isn't really in any sort of 'serious' relationship himself. Which gives him the vibe of more 'f-buddy than dating material". I mean, repeated booty-calls, but nothing 'serious' in the long run either. And as far as his 'good guy image"? A lot of that gets diminished by either his actions before or after your first night together. (Either by actions or what he says about himself.)
Okay, I'd like to clarify, because I believe you misinterpreted my comment about him being a "white knight". It seems you are taking his actions for what they are, while I'm talking about his motivations and goals, things that make him tick. The thing is, he has poor self-esteem (probably insecure about his length) which he compensates with this "cool guy" act, saying that he has casual dates because he believes Lena will like that sort of image. He totally wants to date Lena officially. At least, that version of Lena that he sees at work. When Lena tells him he's just a booty-call, or it was a one-time thing, he gets VERY disappointed. Because in his mind, he did everything he could to make this girl fall for him, and it didn't work. He begrudgingly agrees with his position of a boy-toy, because he still likes being with Lena, but he hopes for more. Just like a guy in a friendzone agrees with his position as a friend, because they want to be close to a girl.
I didn't mean he's literally a white knight. He's not actually willing to be charitable just because he's selfless. All of it is an act to get into a girl's panties. Doesn't mean that his act is flawless or even good. Sometimes he drops his guard a bit and Lena sees right through his bullshit. But still, he tries to act like a good guy, at least at first, just enough to make a girl trust him and sleep with him. Sure, his good-guy image gets diminished but Robert is unaware of that. He still believes that his act is good.

2) Goes for an "oral only" evening. He goes down, you go down, he goes home. Depending on spit/swallow is how content he is. Meaning if you spit, he makes a comment like number 1, if you swallow he is satisfied ... for now, but goes home.
He does go for an oral evening. When Lena says that she won't fuck him without a rubber, he's like "Okay... what shall we do instead?" and Lena ends up blowing him while he's trying to satisfy her with his fingers. But his poor technique causes Lena to lose the mood completely, and thus she ends the night. He's afraid that if he leaves, he won't get more chances, so he asks for a sleepover because pushing for anything else would be suicidal, but might provide opportunities in the morning. In the morning though, he drops the act and tries to talk Lena into "finishing her job" by making him cum. If she refuses, he chickens out a bit and doesn't push his luck, because he doesn't want Lena to bust his pretentious ass and call him out on his behavior. He pushes when he feels he's got a good shot, otherwise, he aborts. He's a coward like that.

That when you get a high enough willpower/physical stat level, you can then play Ian more 'dom' or 'sub' depending on your mood. Higher levels means more dominate in general, lower stats means more submissive and not taking the lead or pushing boundaries at all.
I'm not sure your interpretation of the skill mechanics is correct. Skills don't affect their personality, they only unlock options for them. Wits make them more knowledgable and perceptive, Charisma makes them more easygoing, charming or decisive, which I guess is the closest thing to being a "dom". Athletics makes them be more in-sync with their body, making them stronger and capable of physical activities such as fighting, dancing, or sex. I guess you could make a point for Lust affecting personality, but I'd say it's an exception, as we behave a bit differently when we are horny. But Will does not determine whether the character is dominant or not. It only determines if they have what it takes to make their dreams come true or pursue their desires. It doesn't mean that with high Will their personality will be dominant or submissive with 0 Will. I guess I can see how that might be confusing with Ian, as he gets Will for standing up for himself, both to Minerva and his father, but it makes him more rebellious than dominant. The same goes for Lena, actually, as she gets Will points for leaving Axel behind and shutting him off from her life.
Their personality is dependent more on the hidden "chad" and "posh" stats, for Ian and Lena respectively. Chad Ian likes all things mainstream and is more into clubbing and social activities while non-chad Ian is edgier. Posh Lena likes money and fancy stuff and acts more like Cindy, while non-posh Lena doesn't care about such superficial stuff, is more altruistic, and has a dislike for the rich.

Again, that is more 'how you play Ian" than how he is directly written.
Not really, because aside from their playable version that you control, they have their NPC counterparts that you CAN'T control when Ian and Lena interact with each other. Because of those NPC counterparts, those limits to their personality will always be in place, simply because of the time it'll take to write their scenes in the future if the player can change Ian and Lena drastically.
 
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I have a feeling we won't get any "action" with Cindy before 2, maybe even 3 updates. But I'm certainly looking forward for more interactions with her !! As for Lena's side, maybe some action with Stan :p
 

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Concerning the discussion about gay/sissy content that was on here some week(s) ago:
"As I said I would love to introduce a trans side character, but other things take precedence... Also I feel I couldn't properly portray a trans/sissy/gay route for Ian, since that's not really my thing and I don't have experience with that. I'll better leave that to other games that are dedicated especially to that. "
From the latest Patreon Q&A
 
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