This is the last time I reply to you cuz you starting to get on my nerves tbh. Like one of the guys pointed out you want to be an impartial observer but instead you come out looking like an asshole defending a guy for actions that's clearly shouldn't be defended. No, manipulation and abuse aren't that different and pretty much always go hand in hand, google gaslighting for example. If we were talking about a real person going through something similar I bet you'd still wouldn't be conviced that she suffered from abuse unless someone could prove you that the guy hit her (during relationship, not before or after cuz that's important!) and that just makes me pissed cuz there are lots of people who think that way. Exactly why I didn't wanna start that conversation on a porn forum.
Anyway, here's some screnshoots idk how you managed to miss them but it was a pain to find them, so I hope you appreciate the effort I had to go through.
Wasn't sure about the job and yeah, Axel only mentions that he didn't know that Lena worked at the resturant and he clearly isn't aware that Lena works at the cafe. What I find strange about it is that how could a boyfriend not know where his girlfriend works? So it's obvious that Lena found those jobs after the break up. That raises the question - did she not have some kind of job before that? We do know that she sends money off to her parents every month + gotta live on something. But that's just me putting the pieces together and for a guy like you it's the same as guessing.
Wow, you just took things to a personal level now. Sorry if I made you upset, that was certainly not the intention. I was actually enjoying the debate. I do think that debating people with different point of views it's a healthy thing in today's society. We all come from different places, have different experiences and therefore many times our point of views aren't aligned and the only way for us to sometimes find some common ground is to discuss them.
You may have not noticed, but I actually respect your opinion and respect you from standing up to it, unfortunately you don't seem to feel the same way in return. Also, once again I think you're putting many of the things I said out of context and that may be because you somehow made it personal. I'll say a few things once again. I do no empathize with Axel's character. I think he's an idiot, who thinks really highly of himself and indeed seems to be extremely selfish. I also do not think that any of his actions are excusable. To give you an example in my main playthrough Lena thrashed the pictures as soon as she saw them and I want Axel as far way from her as possible, simply because that's what I would recommend to anyone in a real life scenario.
You say I defended Axel's actions and I'll once again tell you I didn't. As you said I tried to be an impartial observer and that's the only thing you can actually accuse me of and for that I'll make no apologies. I've always tried to be impartial in all aspects of my life until hard evidence is presented to me. Like all human beings I am sometimes biased towards certain subjects, but to the best of my abilities I always try to maintain my impartiality so I can base my decisions on evidences.
Going to my personal life you're once again making a wrong assumption. I for more then once stated that I believe that emotional and psychological abuse can be as bad as physical one, so no, in my real life I do not need to see physical marks on anyone to believe they're been a victim of abuse. I've actually seen many and helped many people on my social circle to get out of situations of abuse and for the most part there wasn't physical abuse involved. But I do require to be provided with enough information that backs up those accusations. In some of the situations I witnessed that abuse happening and felt like I should've say something to person who was being abused, while in other cases I simply heard their testimony of the situation and reached to the conclusion that what they were going through could be labelled as abuse. If you see throught out the posts I already assumed that after playing again I do believe that during the break up process Axel's behaviour is clearly abusive, but this whole discussion started a quite a few posts ago where it was claimed that he was abusive during their relationship, something I still have no evidence for, because they are two different moments, at least in my perspective.
For you manipulative behaviour is the same as abusive behaviour. I think they're very similar in some ways, but are not quite the same thing. Maybe this is something we'll have to agree to disagree. But if you actually can look a bit past that, you'll actually see that we both believe Axel is scumbag.
For the last part I once again I believe you're making assumpion regarding to your conclusion. If you ask my opinion, I actually also think you are right, but the difference is that you're taking your assumption as something for granted, while I simply think that's most likely the case, but until I have a hard evidence of that matter, I will not claim to say I know the reason. You can put the pieces however you want, but they broke up already a while back (4 months if I'm not mistaken) and in today's society is actually pretty common for people to change jobs frequently. We don't even know for sure if she actually had job previously (although I'd say that's like a 0,1% chance of being the case here) but assuming that she did, I don't know the reasons why she changed job, because it could be for a number of other reasons. She might be getting even less money at her previous job, she could be doing some kind of internship or be on a short contract and meanwhile her contract expired and wasn't renewed, etc. Maybe these are a bit less likely, but you have to admit that these are also possible scenarios and until you know that for sure you can't claim to know what happened, because you don't.
In what concerns the images, I actually appreciate the time you took into looking into this. I've seen those and I already know you'll probably won't agree with me here, but nonetheless I still don't see what you see for a fact. First, we don't even know if Axel and Lena were actually living together at the time. If they were, it actually makes sense that Lena would have to move, because since she broke up with him and was extremely mad at the whole situation, it made absolutely no fucking sense for her to keep living with him in the same house. So, my point here is, I feel like you're saying that she moved because she was running scared of him and I for one don't know if that's the case. It is however for me a possibility, but I will not claim to know this for sure just by putting some pieces together that may actually belong to a completely different puzzle.
Anyway, as this whole conversation seems to have stress you out and rubbed you on the wrong way so I'll also stop the discussion on my end. I do however commend you for being able to keep it civil for the vast majority of the time, when clearly it was a subjet that was making you unconfortable. I however feel that we actually are for the most part just disagreeing on some semanthics and some technicalities, but are actually like minded on the broader picture. I hope you'll eventually be able to see that, but even if not, I'm sorry I was unable to make my point of view seem valid to you and also that you're unable to respect it and accept it. I however will say again that I do respect yours, even if I don't agree with it to the full extent, because you seem to be one to jump quickly into a conclusion, while I'll encourage you to first take a step back and look at the whole picture before coming to the said conclusion. But I gotta say, I do appreciate the sentiment from where it is coming from, since your heart seems to be in the right place. And this is the honest truth, not some elaborate form of sarcasm, in case you were wondering.
