Tierra_Azul

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Jeremy snitching on Ian would go against his character, I don't know how well Jeremy know Wade, but it seems he's knows Ian better. I know very few(if any) males who would tell on their friends in a situation like this. At most they'll try to fix things behind the scene so to speak. If anyone is going to use that event in some petty scheme, it would be Ivy.
 

Skylark21

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I guess outcome of Ian/Cindy getting caught will depend on relationship status and certain routes. If Ian has good rep with Jeremy thn he might be disappointed with Ian but still keep his secrets(Wits or Charisma might be involved) but if it's vice versa thn he's going to rat out Ian irrespective of Wits or Charisma.
As for Ivy it will certainly depend on Ian's relationship with Lena, If he is in relationship with her thn it's quite certain Ivy is going to inform Lena but if he's not then let's be honest she's not going to give fuck about it.
 

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I guess outcome of Ian/Cindy getting caught will depend on relationship status and certain routes. If Ian has good rep with Jeremy thn he might be disappointed with Ian but still keep his secrets(Wits or Charisma might be involved) but if it's vice versa thn he's going to rat out Ian irrespective of Wits or Charisma.
As for Ivy it will certainly depend on Ian's relationship with Lena, If he is in relationship with her thn it's quite certain Ivy is going to inform Lena but if he's not then let's be honest she's not going to give fuck about it.
You can't be in a relationship with Lena. At no point they even really talk about their status. Closest would be when Perry outs you for having sex the other night. If you told Lena you are having sex with other women she really has nothing to complain about. You might lose a relationship point but that's it. If you didn't confess, well that was stupid ;)
Besides that I really don't see much problems for Ian. Jeremy is not going to tell on him, he is his friend not Wades.
 

Skylark21

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You can't be in a relationship with Lena. At no point they even really talk about their status. Closest would be when Perry outs you for having sex the other night. If you told Lena you are having sex with other women she really has nothing to complain about. You might lose a relationship point but that's it. If you didn't confess, well that was stupid ;)
Besides that I really don't see much problems for Ian. Jeremy is not going to tell on him, he is his friend not Wades.
They might not be in a committed relationship but they are kind of heading towards that way if you're on that path, When I said relationship I was talking about that but should've framed it better so my bad. In such case Ivy telling Lena might not have severe consequences but there will be some nonetheless. For Jeremy as I said before it will probably depend upon his relationship status with Ian atleast that what I hope so cause relationship meter has to kick in at some point and this situation is the best for it.
P.S Wade might not be his best friend but still a friend.
 
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BlandChili

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On the topic of being in relationships, I wonder if the story's going to have a "conglomeration point," for Ian and Lena, or each on their own, where they have to decide if they want to "settle down" for a specific character or not, or if it's going to be a question presented on some of each individual route, like with Robert.

As much as there's a mood for poly around this here forum, I can't imagine all characters would be cool with that sort of thing.

Besides Lena/Ian I also feel like Ian/Alison is getting close to such a point.
I always wanted one of the routes to have an option for establishing a formal relationship early in the story. Like Doug in GGGB but for real.
 

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Jeremy snitching on Ian would go against his character, I don't know how well Jeremy know Wade, but it seems he's knows Ian better. I know very few(if any) males who would tell on their friends in a situation like this. At most they'll try to fix things behind the scene so to speak. If anyone is going to use that event in some petty scheme, it would be Ivy.
Agree.

If Ian is with Lena, in a relationship, at the end of the chapter, I think Ivy can be a threat, Lena is her BFF.

Jeremy, well i dont think so. Be a moralist doesnt suit him. I still bet in something like "you are the man bro" reaction.

EDIT: Ok maybe not that enthusiasm but i dont think Jeremy will care.
 
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BlandChili

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I wouldn't count off Jeremy completely. A way to lose relationship point with him is for Ian to be "uptight" about his romantic/sexual interests (not sharing Lena's profile, telling Jeremy that Alison's his, etc.)

Wouldn't it make sense for a Jeremy that's been pissed a bit off by a more private Ian to want to shove it in his face if he suddenly finds him with a cheating Cindy in the middle of the damn street? At the very least he'd view him as a massive hypocrite.
 
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Leonardovisk

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I wouldn't count off Jeremy completely. A way to lose relationship point with him is for Ian to be "uptight" about his romantic/sexual interests (not sharing Lena's profile, telling Jeremy that Alison's his, etc.)

Wouldn't it make sense for a Jeremy that's been pissed a bit off by a more private Ian to want to shove it in his face if he suddenly finds him cheating in the middle of the damn street? At the very least he'd view him as a massive hypocrite.

I don't put a lot of complexity on Jeremy like you do. Is it my fault i guess. In my gameplay he is totally useless and annoying.

Well, in my main gameplay, Ian even dont have the chance to take Cindy. I had to do a speedrun a new save to see that scene lol
 

BlandChili

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I don't put a lot of complexity on Jeremy like you do. Is it my fault i guess. In my gameplay he is totally useless and annoying.
It doesn't have to be very complex though. Like I said, Ian can be a prude to Jeremy, something to which he'll disapprove. If Jeremy in the scenario where this is the case suddely find that same Ian going at it with a cheating Cindy in the street, surely he'd be tempted to reveal it if nothing else than to point out what a hypocrite Ian's been.
Well, in my main gameplay, Ian even dont have the chance to take Cindy. I had to do a speedrun a new save to see that scene lol
Okay? The topic you were commenting on was about Ian/Cindy cheating on Wade though, and how Jeremy/Ivy might react.
 

Quintillian

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Agree.

If Ian is with Lena, in a relationship, at the end of the chapter, I think Ivy can be a threat, Lena is her BFF.

Jeremy, well i dont think so. Be a moralist doesnt suit him. I still bet in something like "you are the man bro" reaction.

EDIT: Ok maybe not that enthusiasm but i dont think Jeremy will care.

From a gameplay and player’s agency point of view, it makes more sense for Jeremy to be the bigger “threat”. Yeah, Lena is Ivy’s BFF, but we control Lena. Even if Ivy tells her; as Lena, we should be able to decide how to take Ian’s adventures. That reaction should offer options conveying anger, disappointment, acceptance, or indifference. Wade, however, is a different story. I don’t think Jeremy will tell on us if you are on his good side, though. I agree with you that Jeremy doesn’t appear very moralist. Jeremy may be a little surprised, joke that he has created a monster, but his advice will probably be more pragmatic, and just tell Ian not to get caught, again.
 

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I was putting off playing this game for so long because I usually dont pursue 2dcg games and Female MCs. However, after seeing the amount of good reviews this game has and the amount for action in the thread, I decided to give it a try

And I am so glad that I gave it a chance because is most definitely in my Top 10. The main reason for that is the fact that this game as something that I am always critical of in a game, particularly in games in this site... And that something is CHOICE.

In this game, everything you do is your choice, which makes this game one of the few where it really feels like the MCs (Ian and Lena in this case) are really mine to shape and not just the Devs MCs. In this game, you dont have any forced scenario falling from the sky just to make drama happen "outta nowhere". And these aspects are really breaths of fresh air that keep me interested for the updates to come.

If I have 1 criticism for this game is the fact that Lena has very few diversity between her LIs which means that my Lena almost always ends up with Ian or Holly (Robert and Axel are dicks and Louise is too much drama/jealousy for my liking).

Comparing to Lena, Ian just has too much diversity in his Lis choices (not that I am complaining :devilish::sneaky:) and that makes it really hard to choose between:

Big Titty Allison, Cartoon Abella Danger aka Emma (Sorry Perry but after getting her scenes for the first time, I know you cant handle her) Blonde Bombshell Cindy (Sorry Wade, but you cant just take a girl like that for granted), Cute Nerd Holly, Fit Black Cherry and of course Goddess Lena :sneaky: (And Crazy MILF Minerva )

Congrats to the Dev for this masterpiece :cool:
 

forthewins

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Holy crap. I just stumbled onto the Agnes route. This game is deep.
Do you mean there was more content in that regard in chapter 7, aside from the dream sequence?

If so I'm surprised I missed that on my lust route. She was very pleased with me in chapter 6.
 

forthewins

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In this game, everything you do is your choice, which makes this game one of the few where it really feels like the MCs (Ian and Lena in this case) are really mine to shape and not just the Devs MCs. In this game, you dont have any forced scenario falling from the sky just to make drama happen "outta nowhere". And these aspects are really breaths of fresh air that keep me interested for the updates to come.
Welcome!

By the way, does anyone know of any other games that really offer this, combined with good writing and production values that don't feel super cheap?

I'm very new to the Western VN scene. They never really interested me at all until I tried GGGB a couple months ago, and since then I've found a handful of good ones. But still the vast majority I try are not at a level of quality that I can get into, and honestly none of the good ones really have a big level of freedom aside from GGGB and ORS.
 

Dredger

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Man, I'm going to be so disappointed if there is no route that leads to a threesome between Ian, Holly, and Lena
 

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I agree that Ian and Holly for the time being seems like the only potential serious partners for Lena. But who do you think could realistically become one in the foreseeable future?

I'm starting to see Jeremy as a more serious option, even though his actions aren't always admirable, and he most of the time seems quite shallow.

But, as a ccomparison, I don't have any problems accepting for example Alison's and Cindy's at times unsympathetic behaviour. It's just a result of different forms of insecurities and discontent with their current situation. Within porn culture and in most games like this, the same kind of unsympatethic behaviour from men just means they're … not good persons (and/or unbelievably horny). But of course that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

There's a few things I've noted about him. Almost every time Lena is mentioned, he's using the chance to talk about how great she is (that may of course be purely physical). Also, his reaction in ep. 7 if Ian tells him he might be falling for Lena, seemed surprisingly strong. I don't know, but that came across as some form of unconscious jealousy to me. Or a philosophy for rationalising being afraid of letting anyone come close to them. I know the "he's acting like a douche because someone hurted him once" is a cliché, but still.

And even though his moral compass is flawed, he at least has one, and he seems to follow it quite rigorously (except when Lena insists on giving him a blowjob).

I'm also curious to see how he'll react if he busts Ian and Cindy in the back alley at the end of ep. 7. It's kind of a parallel to how Lena had to decide whether to tell Louise about Jeremy and Ivy or not. Maybe it's more likely that Lena finds out through Ivy, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lena's choice with Louise impacts how Jeremy himself acts here. And it might tie their stories together in some way in the upcoming episode.
It's never late to introduce new characters and keep the thrill going and alive or the storyline will soon be exhausted. What I hate about sitcom-type games is the very limited set of characters, unlike real life where you can meet new ppl all the time.
 
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