VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[MingoSuave]

It doesn't really matter how u play, it would just ruin Mina's character to have sex or something close to it that early when we don't even started having that kind of relationship with her (groping roleplay where she pretending nothing is hapenning doesn't count).

Not to mention I really doubt that Felicia would be down for a three way with her best friend. She may be a pervert, but she at least seems to have her limits

 

[CAznable]

Not to mention I really doubt that Felicia would be down for a three way with her best friend. She may be a pervert, but she at least seems to have her limits

I'll play Devil's Advocate here and point out that, Felicia, the woman who has "limits", is willingly participating in a sex club which basically has no holds barred when it comes to debauchery. To get back at someone who hurt her friend, who knows what lengths she would go to.

Food for thought.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I'll play Devil's Advocate here and point out that, Felicia, the woman who has "limits", is willingly participating in a sex club which basically has no holds barred when it comes to debauchery. To get back at someone who hurt her friend, who knows what lengths she would go to.

Food for thought.

Doubt she would go hurt her friend by helping Mina doing something like that when Felicia herself knows how much of a scumbag Ian is. She knows he would either be indifferent or fapping to whatever "revenge porn" they make.

You know, if we didn't have that scene with Pulman and her goon complaining about not being able to "discipline" Hana because she is the boss' daughter and then Pulman saying "there is always a way", maybe that argument would hold. That scene is way too much foreshadowing that Pulman is planning to mess Hana up, and all that talk about the shares and more "girl power" in management is either a diversion to nudge her into a rational train of thought to accept falling into the trap or a welcome side effect if it works that way in the end.

That guy is a moron who only thinks with his dick. He tries to fuck or beat Hana to "teach her a lesson" and the next day he would be sleeping with the fishes after August made him taste his own fried balls.

Kathleen's way is the refined one. By appealing to Hana's morals that she can rein in on the club most vile acts if she gets her shares from her father. Hana will either have to assume responsabilities with this corrupting and ilegal business or she would give up later and sell her part to Kathleen. Either way the sadistic cougar wins by taking influence from August.

 

[DirtyMario]

I like the theory that there is an internal battle about the club ownership coming up in the future. Hana, MC and Jacob on one side, Kat, Killian and Warren on the opposition. August would probably go with his daughter but Chuck is a bit of a wildcard. He's nice to MC but some of the house girls are very afraid of him.

Also I like that Kat is already using real-life intimidation tactics. I've worked at a debt collectors office for a brief time and having a "casual talk" with a debtors family/boss/girlfriend is a legitimate thing that they do.

 

[Turret]

I think the danger is that Hana would come to enjoy running the club. That's more than sufficient drama. Making her a house girl is merely an extremely unpleasant experience than can be endured and ended. Marring Hana's very soul is a lot more serious.
It's not impossible, but I think that would be a stretch. Hana is always going to oppose an external influence on her life, she's just ornery that way. But it's a very different thing to oppose internal influences. That's why Kathleen was so insistent on making this idea seem reasonable from Hana's point of view.

Hana only gets the shares if she takes an active role in running the club, and the club is inherently corrupting. If Hana has no stomach for it, she'll be forced to leave and thus be out of Kathleen's hair. But if she can stomach it, then it will be Hana who has to keep *herself* in line rather than Kat and Warren constantly riding herd on her. Either way, Kat wins.

Sure, if an opportunity comes up to get Hana involved in the exhibition I'm sure Kathleen will take it. But while I think that's Warren's big desire, Kathleen seems more interested in preventing Hana from doing something stupid while also giving herself a decent chance at gaining control of the club in the long term. Low risk, high reward.
Just because she's a twisted sadist doesn't mean Kathleen can't prioritize.

I see it similar. Hana "moonlighting" as a House girl to see if she likes it or not, is something she could endure or like or be indifferent to and can be ended as soon as she wants as she will be a part of the owners. Hana becoming corrupted/learning from Kath to enjoy running the club as it is CURRENTLY run, that would be the big danger for her.

As far as Hana's actions in Update 2, I think her grinding the MC is in keeping with their previous relationship: it only happens if the two are already intimate and spend another night together, so it doesn't need to lead to anything more. The issue is with the sudden jump to full-on sex the next morning. That's where I think the relationship advanced faster than it probably should have, possibly to set up the big cliffhanger. We'll know more when we see where the MC and Hana pick up the next time they meet, but my money is on Hana walking things back to a more ambiguous status.

I don´t think the jump to full-on sex/blueballing due to external situation is so sudden or too fast. To get to these events, you have to be rather committed to the Hana path. If the MC and Hana are just friends or a bit more, than you do not get these scenes, for instance Hana will shower and then come out fully clothed. Only if you are pursuing Hana, you´ll get the full event.
Therefor I see a return to ambigiousness only if Edwin and Hana are "just" friends.

I like the theory that there is an internal battle about the club ownership coming up in the future. Hana, MC and Jacob on one side, Kat, Killian and Warren on the opposition. August would probably go with his daughter but Chuck is a bit of a wildcard. He's nice to MC but some of the house girls are very afraid of him.

I too think that a battle for future "Headhoncho" in the club will be one big event on most, if not all playthrough variants. (Not all because if Edwin concentrates on just gaining one Carnation or getting money for his studies, Hana and Kath will be side theatre for this version of him)
But I would say that the two sides at the beginning are "just" Hana/Jacob on one and Kath/Warren on the other side. It will depend on how we play Edwin and the bromance with Ian, where these two will land. While the MC is trending towards Hana´s side in most scenarios and Ian towards Kath´s side, this is not set in stone. There is the potential to play the MC as a complete asshole, who would be quite at home on Kath´s side and I think a solid bromance with Killian would see him on the side Edwin takes. Which if we play the Hana path will be her side, even if Killian is not very fond of Hana.
August would side mostly with Hana, Chuck is far trickier to judge given what we know currently.

 

[Impatient666]

I see people making a devil out of Kathleen. She just likes to have her fun and needed to get pounded. Although that drug testing was some serious shit, which MC will remember. I'm going for a nice scumbag route. Having good relationship with boss brings benefits, which I gladly accept. It might be useful in the future if I'll need to protect Hana.
With carnations I try to make them give great performances. Felicia is crazy slut so I'll try to give her the most fucked up treatment and see if she'll enjoy it. Rosalind is putting too much faith in MC. I'm looking forward to how far she'll take it until she realizes I can't and won't do much to help her. I'm impressed by Veronica's power and determination. I believe she'll win fair and square but if I can pull some strings I'll tug a little in her favour. Also I think I can get her into watersports. I peed on her in the club, made her pee in her gym but I also let her make me cum on my face so she said we're even. Who knows what she'll do next so that I can get her back later?
Hana saw me do some fucked up shit on stage, yet she doesn't seem to mind that much as I act cool with her. We'll see how that "friendship" goes. I'm trying to bring Domina out of Mina so she can punish Ian and possibly MC. Being a very tough guy I even said that I'd like to get edged, which caught her attention. Maybe I'll need a second playthrough as complete pushover to see her act on it...

 

[Idontplay]

I think the danger is that Hana would come to enjoy running the club.

That is exactly the route I want follow: my MC is pondering about the chance to use Hana to became the future actual owner of the club. But in order to do that, he must seduce Hana, convince her to accept her father proposal and neutralise Mrs. P's plots.

 

[MingoSuave]

I'll play Devil's Advocate here and point out that, Felicia, the woman who has "limits", is willingly participating in a sex club which basically has no holds barred when it comes to debauchery. To get back at someone who hurt her friend, who knows what lengths she would go to.

Food for thought.

Huge difference between participating in a sex club and banging your best friend. Not to mention leaving behind a tape for someone who can fuck her over would be extremely stupid. Felicia's not a stupid woman

 

[Darg]

So Felicia will help her friend go down on a level that dumbass Ian at? Great idea

 

[DirtyMario]

Huge difference between participating in a sex club and banging your best friend. Not to mention leaving behind a tape for someone who can fuck her over would be extremely stupid. Felicia's not a stupid woman

There already are videos of her doing fucked up shit, as well as a picture of her with

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Considering she already let all of this happen, and without being in any state of desperation, just because she's "bored", I'm not so sure that she's not a stupid woman. Although I'm looking forward to her revealing the reason for all of this and why she wants to be inside the club so bad.

 

[Darg]

There already are videos of her doing fucked up shit, as well as a picture of her with

Maybe there is some kind of club NDA policy or something else, she cant be that stupid with this right?

 

[Marcellogo]

I personally didn't fear about Hana doing sex with some other guy, I am much more worried and in the same time thrilled with the possibility of broke MC relationship wit her both for her become corrupted that, more realistically , wit her broke up and run away.
I will personally not even consider the possibility of saving just myself running away with her leaving the Carnations enslaved.
Because the real purpose of the club is to enslave persons, not prostitution or sex.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

If there is one thing Felicia isn't is stupid. It is already heavily implied in the game she has her own hidden reasons to enter the Carnations instead of just being a rich and bored horny bitch.

 

[MarinBladewing]

Played for the first time and I'm impressed, this is a great game. Very interesting story and different from what we usually see in these VNs, got me from the start. And it already has a huge amount of content.

Likeable MC, renders look great and well detailed, the locations and the girls, all of them look so good. I sometimes think HS models look similar in many games but not in this one, all the girls look unique and well made, even the ones who are not main girls.

Veronica is my favorite, love how tall and fit she is, and when she takes charge. I also really liked Hana (looks so good and that Dream Theater shirt ), Mina, Felicia and Rosa, they all have very different and interesting personalities and did I mention they all look great?! Hah.

This game has it all, definitely one of my favorites now and one I really can't wait to see more. Kudos to the dev(s), great work!

 

[New Kid]

It's not impossible, but I think that would be a stretch. Hana is always going to oppose an external influence on her life, she's just ornery that way. But it's a very different thing to oppose internal influences. That's why Kathleen was so insistent on making this idea seem reasonable from Hana's point of view.

Hana only gets the shares if she takes an active role in running the club, and the club is inherently corrupting. If Hana has no stomach for it, she'll be forced to leave and thus be out of Kathleen's hair. But if she can stomach it, then it will be Hana who has to keep *herself* in line rather than Kat and Warren constantly riding herd on her. Either way, Kat wins.

Sure, if an opportunity comes up to get Hana involved in the exhibition I'm sure Kathleen will take it. But while I think that's Warren's big desire, Kathleen seems more interested in preventing Hana from doing something stupid while also giving herself a decent chance at gaining control of the club in the long term. Low risk, high reward.

Just because she's a twisted sadist doesn't mean Kathleen can't prioritize.

Would it? Seeing that as long as Pulman manages to keep up the BS appearances to make Hana think that she is doing it just to get back at August and for the sake of her mother Pulman could actively start coercing her into doing more and more risque stuff "because it is necessary". I mean, the MC was pretty resistant in the beginning and now is doing it just for money...
I think that Pulman is trying to bring both the MC and Hana to her side to try a complete take over of the club by turning them into sadists like her, like in the scene where she gives the MC a "gift", but it might turn into a battle for dominance if they are not all on the same page.

That guy is a moron who only thinks with his dick. He tries to fuck or beat Hana to "teach her a lesson" and the next day he would be sleeping with the fishes after August made him taste his own fried balls.

Kathleen's way is the refined one. By appealing to Hana's morals that she can rein in on the club most vile acts if she gets her shares from her father. Hana will either have to assume responsabilities with this corrupting and ilegal business or she would give up later and sell her part to Kathleen. Either way the sadistic cougar wins by taking influence from August.

Well, yeah, her goon is a moron but he has enough sense to not touch Hana, and when he says that he wishes they could Pulman agrees with him and says that there is a way while watching her and the MC through the not so hidden cameras. IMHO that's not enough foreshadowing that Pulman is planning to involve Hana in her shows through manipulation of her emotions of the MC and of her father, involving Hana in the administrative part of the club is just the first step of Pulman's plan to break her.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Well, yeah, her goon is a moron but he has enough sense to not touch Hana, and when he says that he wishes they could Pulman agrees with him and says that there is a way while watching her and the MC through the not so hidden cameras. IMHO that's not enough foreshadowing that Pulman is planning to involve Hana in her shows through manipulation of her emotions of the MC and of her father, involving Hana in the administrative part of the club is just the first step of Pulman's plan to break her.

Disagree. Kathleen wants to take power out of August either by having more "girl power" administrating the club or by outright buying Hana's share she will get as inheritance from her father.

Kathleen has no leverage to force Hana to participate in the brothel's sexual activities. First because Hana's deal is with her father and second because i would bet if Kathleen tried to do that it would incur the ire of August. He wants after all that his daughter inherit his part of the business not that she turn into one of the sex workers there.

 

[DirtyMario]

Kathleen has no leverage to force Hana to participate in the brothel's sexual activities. First because Hana's deal is with her father and second because i would bet if Kathleen tried to do that it would incur the ire of August. He wants after all that his daughter inherit his part of the business not that she turn into one of the sex workers there.

First off, I don't know enough about the dev to tell if he would do fucked up things like that and from what I've played so far he probably wouldn't, but I can't be sure.
They sure could use the MC as leverage. There's footage of us doing (more or less depending on paths) fucked up stuff to women on and off stage. Kat could destroy our medical career before it even started or threaten to send tapes to our mum (who she already spoke to). Or fuck tapes in general, just have Warren break her legs. There's a myriad of possibilities.
The only thing between Kat and full psycho bitch control is August.
And come to think of it, I don't have very great relations with August nor Kat in my save right now. Gotta get on that.

 

[dolfe67]

does anyone have the bonus arts from patreon?

Yes the +$5 patrons

 

[CAznable]

Ask and you shall receive. Here's a Bonus art

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P.S. Most Bonus Art becomes transition screens in the game, 5$ Patrons just get to see them a little early

 

[mginvoke]

I know the last update just released recently but how often is this expected to update? Like, is it likely we get another update before 2022?