Carnation candidates were not brothel workers. They've never been sex workers. They have been recruited for the competition. They don't just turn out to have newly chosen prostitution as a career. Since they have not made that choice.
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Damn i was looking forward to finally read your summary, but i held back until the public release to avoid spoilers.
As always it is a invaluable Read, and i do very much appreciate your input from the "softer" side of PC players.
After catching up to the current status of this thread (still like 14+ pages to go) i would like to pick each others brains again, that is if i find something worthwhile to add, however just for now real quick:
As always it is a invaluable Read, and i do very much appreciate your input from the "softer" side of PC players.
After catching up to the current status of this thread (still like 14+ pages to go) i would like to pick each others brains again, that is if i find something worthwhile to add, however just for now real quick:
In my Playthrough Dalia approached me with this request although i took Kathleens Birthday gift. So this doesnt seem to be the trigger.
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While I absolutely enjoy the game, some moments make me also sad
Hope there will be a happy end option with Hana + Mina ^^
Hope there will be a happy end option with Hana + Mina ^^
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It's part of the story ... and MC's "LI's" will be fucked and humiliated by other guys too ..............
The above is a bit of misinformation, but as it's been said, you won't be able to avoid seeing old men dicking down prostitutes and whacking off. So I'd avoid this project if that puts you off.
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Despite your unnecessarily pejorative phrasing, I partially agree with you on this. I think they are tedious, and while they not necessarily ruin, they do hamper the flow of the story and i am always anxious i have missed something (like talk with A, then B, afterwards return to A again, to get finally to C etc).
So why do devs add them in VNs?
Possible explanations are:
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show offshowcase their coding proficiency: it is presumably harder to program a free-roam than just a linear storyline. I guess this can be a source of pride for a coder and perhaps even fun for them to do. So it is good for their motivation, which in turn is good for us. - To intentionally break the flow of the story, in order to prevent Players to just skip through the whole content they worked their ass off for half a year in minutes, and then immediately start complaining about the next update is six months away.
- To please those who actually enjoy this gameplay.
- To give players more Agency in what order they experience the content available or if they prefer to not make a decision at all. For instance in this update i pondered if i should skip the whole Jakob/Emma/Warren issue by entirely avoiding Jakob. If you dont click on him, you dont have to commit to any of those two choices and their possible repercussions, and as a matter of fact the Velvet Room Emma scene plays out differently for those three instances.
Edit: changed an unintentional derogative verb to an (hopefully, damn that foreign language!) intended positive one.
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I'm away from home at the moment so I can't do any testing, but my high Toughness run was not asked to check on Harper and Lucy, yet it was when I reloaded an earlier save and turned Kathleen's gift down (I was curious as to how it would change the dialog with Rose).
From reading the new walkthrough, it looks like the scene has a threefold trigger: turn down Kat's gift, OR have Jacob vouch for the MC to Harper, OR be on Veronica's path.
The first two make sense; as Dalia said, the house girls talk. The third implies that Dalia reads something trustworthy into the MC sucking up to Samson, which is certainly interesting.
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Don't understand why people are so critical of sandbox and freeroams, I actually really love them and minigames, anything that increases player interactivity with the game/avn is a plus for me because it helps in making me feel like I am a part of the game instead of just someone on the outside looking in while narrative plays out.
And it isnt really bad in PC like you'd miss content if you chose x instead of y, aside from the first bar freeroam with feli/ian/mina, iirc MC is able to do everything available in the freeroam provided you don't intentionally cut it short
And it isnt really bad in PC like you'd miss content if you chose x instead of y, aside from the first bar freeroam with feli/ian/mina, iirc MC is able to do everything available in the freeroam provided you don't intentionally cut it short
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As with all things, sandbox and freeroams are as good as the designers implementing them. I tend to prefer not to have them, but in Pale Carnations they are used to add a depth of character to the club itself, and allow you to interact with more people then you would otherwise get a chance to. In BaDIK it would be nice to have less, but they serve a function in letting you dictate what happens during set pieces, and interact with social media.
In lesser games, which I will not mention, they often are used as ways to repeat scenes to add filler to games, or to make timing puzzles, again, to artificially extend the length of a game. So, while in general I prefer a kinetic novel, it's all about the design in the end.
In lesser games, which I will not mention, they often are used as ways to repeat scenes to add filler to games, or to make timing puzzles, again, to artificially extend the length of a game. So, while in general I prefer a kinetic novel, it's all about the design in the end.
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A damn work of art. Send this beast to Steam (preferably with achievements & badges) so I can toss money at its greatness.
I no longer do business with Patreon. From the number of SubscribeStar subscribers many developers have in addition to their Patreon accounts, I'm clearly not the only one.
Maybe you could add SubscribeStar or Buy me a Coffee as other payment sources. I really like your game and want to support it. Keep up the great work.
If you could, add date & time to the saves. It would help in keeping track of various routes tried.
Maybe you could add SubscribeStar or Buy me a Coffee as other payment sources. I really like your game and want to support it. Keep up the great work.
If you could, add date & time to the saves. It would help in keeping track of various routes tried.
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To each their own. Personally I'm ok with freeroam but not with "sandbox" or too many minigames. I "play"(read) those games more like novels than real games. The gameplay simply being able to choose what you want the MC to do, getting more engaged/immersed with the story.
Also it's hard to play with one hand
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Yes, i have a similar approach; my preferred "gameplay" in VNs is to have a lot of meaningful choices, to be able to shape my own story in the frame a creator has set up for me.To each their own. Personally I'm ok with freeroam but not with "sandbox" or too many minigames. I "play"(read) those games more like novels than real games. The gameplay simply being able to choose what you want the MC to do, getting more engaged/immersed with the story.
Also it's hard to play with one hand
So that means kinetic novels, which i dont consider to be games, are normally off the table completely for me, and those with fake choices like [continue/game over] or "Fuck this Girl?" [yes/no] are in essential kinetic also.
I can read them if they are good enough, but i cant play them.
The only advantage of free-roams over choice-driven ones is, that a Dev is able to present a scenery without distracting, view blocking decision bars, which is a major one, given GIL3Ds talent to create those pictures.
The heavy, heavy downside of free-roams is the hunt for interactable pixels in the sceneries, which disrupts the flow of the story. In my opinion there is no real cure to this, because either one doesnt provide any visual help at all, which would be the most immersive, or outlines and/or highlights interactable objects in a certain way, which isnt gold either in terms of immersion.
I mentioned my anxiousness of missing something in free roams, which i would like to clarify: I am totally cool not to get to see all the available content, if it is based on my decisions, because that is exactly what meaningful choices are for, but i hate to miss content i could see in my current playthrough just because i failed to click on some pixels i overlooked. Which lead in my case to check in on the club owners gathering with Hana for like six times and multiple times with Warren and Jakob in the security room to be sure nothing has changed.
This is tedious and severely hampers the flow.
In my opinion there is next to nothing a free-roam can do, which cannot be achieved also by a well designed, branching and converging decision tree; and after you worked through that tree you have the peace of mind, that you did all what there was to do.
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