VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[camube]

I am really not sure about the exhibition... According to the walkthrough, rose can't lose.... And Veronica can only earn 1 point? How is she even getting vote from kath when other two performed better? I am ending up with a tie. I want Felicia to win, but she can't win.
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Ohh.. There's already an updated walkthrough...

As of current build, Veronica starts with +3 point instead of +4 point
Ian Perform is+5
A tie on score will go to Veronica however.
But if your aim is to make Felicia win, it's simple. If you choose all the patron-appealing options for Felicia, she'd win over Rosalind with Ian performing.

 

[McGreed]

Is there a way to save at will on Android? And not by quick save?

I believe you can swipe up to open menu and there you can save or load. At least thats how it works for me.

 

[nevermoreXX]

I'm getting my ears broken by excessive menu sounds.
edited wav sounds to be empty instead.

 

[JenusKudo]

Veronica already starts with 4 points because of what Kathleen does.

No... Only 3 points
Simpgor it's because in my game, Veronica got 4 points
camube it's better to perform yourself. That way you can earn less rose points and don't need to degrade the girls too much... You won't lose many relationship points with the girls that way

 

[Mograx]

No... Only 3 points
Simpgor it's because in my game, Veronica got 4 points
camube it's better to perform yourself. That way you can earn less rose points and don't need to degrade the girls too much... You won't lose many relationship points with the girls that way

I'm not using a walkthrough for my 1st playthrough. I assumed there'd be a hit to Hana's affection, watching me bang a woman like that in front of so many people, so I convinced Kath to let Ian do it instead.

Is that free of any negative points toward Hana? If so, then I'll probably go back and just perform the duty on Rosalind myself, like the chivalrous bastion of purity that I am.

 

[Tumai]

Haven't played this in a long while and I honestly can't remember who I had win the first weekend event. Question is, does it matter if (inadvertently) the same Carnation wins again? E.g. Technically, 2/3 means she wins it outright and I don't want it to cause the 3rd event to be cancelled in my playthrough or some such.

 

[camube]

No... Only 3 points
Simpgor it's because in my game, Veronica got 4 points
camube it's better to perform yourself. That way you can earn less rose points and don't need to degrade the girls too much... You won't lose many relationship points with the girls that way

It is true that from gameplay perspective it's better to make the MC perform instead of Ian. But from the way I control the MC and also, just the fact that MC is trying to be a doctor, it doesn't make any sense to make a "public" video. Regardless of whether the video would actually be public or not.

 

[JenusKudo]

I'm not using a walkthrough for my 1st playthrough. I assumed there'd be a hit to Hana's affection, watching me bang a woman like that in front of so many people, so I convinced Kath to let Ian do it instead.

Is that free of any negative points toward Hana? If so, then I'll probably go back and just perform the duty on Rosalind myself, like the chivalrous bastion of purity that I am.

Having sex with the girls and treating them like shit is two different things... Hana doesn't like it when you treat the girls like an object or degrade them, humiliate them.
Tumai i think technically there are 4 games... So, even if someone win 2 times, it's not a problem....
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Personally, I want rose to win unless Felicia can pay 21k dollar.... Lol

 

[dolfe67]

there are 4 games... So, even if someone win 2 times, it's not a problem....

It's a problem: if the same girl wins the first 3 games, no need for the 4th game. And if a girl wins 2 and another one wins 1, the 3rd girl is eliminated and doesn't need to do the 4th game. So maybe the results of the 3rd game will stay hidden until the end

 

[nevermoreXX]

So did i understood correctly, Killian literally abused his power and raped his "babysitter" is that correct term?
Brags about it in detail and mc has option to bet ? I though mc is suppose to be the intelligent one here?
This is getting more and more fcked up ..
Just the thought of that someone can willingly participate in in the event that happened for 200$ is enough to make me wanna puke.
And some people still vote for killian ?
If what he did to Alice were to spread out on top of his loud mouth when drunk and being overal bastard of human he could/should easily disappear like Darius.
If there ever should be a reason to get Alice image its so it could be used if it comes to the need against killian

 

[nevermoreXX]

kathleen already addressed this in game, she says that because one of the earlier competitions had a clear winner it got boring for the members of the club so now the competition is set up in such a way that it will stay competitive throughout. Do you think that the creators of this game wont take into consideration that people will have the same girl win? That seems like a really obvious thing that a game with quality this ridiculously high should consider.

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Ian didnt rape Alice, them having sex is still "wrong" because of the power dynamic of being an employee and employer but from everything we have seen Ian has never forced himself on her just indirectly used his position of power against her. Darius didn't disappear he successfully blackmailed Kathleen and was able to get away (as far as we know). Since it isn't rape the club doesn't care nor could it be used against Ian (it is literally just a nude of someone he morally shouldn't be having sex with but legally its fine), all of that ignores the fact that alice likely doesn't want it to get out for the obvious sexual embarrassment reasons but also if it gets out she will 100% lose her job.

What are u on about?
he literally forced her to have sex with him. Closing door behind her. She is a servant in the house and just because she didnt go screaming around "rape" but decided to stay silent doesnt mean it isnt a rape
Do u often meet 70?+ year old going arround all horny and shit looking to get fucked ? Put ur self in her position. She worked house for , what? 20+ years as servant ,babysitter and then boy from house forces her in room with him and starts ordering her to do things. Its a rape

A boy she cared his entire life, help bring up and raise. MC is future doctor , should freaking cut Killians dick nice and clean
And what is this "between employer and employee" ? Harvey Weinstein much??

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Darius didn't disappear he successfully blackmailed Kathleen and was able to get away (as far as we know)

You wanna tell me that Darius aka Killian 2.0 simply fell in love with one of prostitutes and decided to cash in and leave peacefully?
With his money he could have bought probably his own entire prostitution ring.
20 year old who had everything he wanted a rich kid with no morals , tramping on everything he comes across. Doesnt know word : stop. Suddenly falling in love , right? Thats what u are telling me?
Right..


P.S
This might be long shot, but could Darius be Felicia step-son? She expressed love for her step sons, would this be the motive for her to join?
I didn't read past Alice

 

[TD1900]

So did i understood correctly, Killian literally abused his power and raped his "babysitter" is that correct term?

Oh, boy... this is a delicate, land-mined filled topic.

All I can say is, Ian and Alice's relationship is never treated as rape by the narrative. Like Simpgor said, the imbalance in power between the two as employer / maid is problematic and would be concerning in a real-life context. There would be the question of if she felt like she could refuse without consequence of losing her job. It wouldn't be okay, especially with how bold his advances were.

However, this being a smut story, there's a heightened reality to it. Make no mistake, Ian is meant to come off as skeezy here. He's sharing a woman's photos with a friend. No matter how you cut it, he's an asshole and scumbag. That said, his relationship with Alice is indeed intended to be read as consensual. He came onto her in an over the top, porn-like way and she accepted - all told second-hand to the reader by Ian, with a dash of bravado. Again, I want to stress, coming onto your maid by exposing yourself would be absolutely gross in real life... but well, so would anything that happens in, say, ANY of the landlady-tenant-roomates games out there

Do u often meet 70?+ year old going arround all horny and shit looking to get fucked ?

Alice isn't that old (more like 50ish), but you'd be surprised at the rising STD rates in nursing homes. Seniors do have sex drives.

 

[nevermoreXX]

Oh, boy... this is a delicate, land-mined filled topic.

All I can say is, Ian and Alice's relationship is never treated as rape by the narrative. Like Simpgor said, the imbalance in power between the two as employer / maid is problematic and would be concerning in a real-life context. There would be the question of if she felt like she could refuse without consequence of losing her job. It wouldn't be okay, especially with how bold his advances were.

However, this being a smut story, there's a heightened reality to it. Make no mistake, Ian is meant to come off as skeezy here. He's sharing a woman's photos with a friend. No matter how you cut it, he's an asshole and scumbag. That said, his relationship with Alice is indeed intended to be read as consensual. He came onto her in an over the top, porn-like way and she accepted - all told second-hand to the reader by Ian, with a dash of bravado. Again, I want to stress, coming onto your maid by exposing yourself would be absolutely gross in real life... but well, so would anything that happens in, say, ANY of the landlady-tenant-roomates games out there




Alice isn't that old (more like 50ish), but you'd be surprised at the rising STD rates in nursing homes. Seniors do have sex drives.

Not talking about 'gross' or not. Its beside the point.
My problem is that as u said "to be read as consensual"
Thats a rape in my eyes, no matter how it was attempted to be put. Exploiting someone that works for you by force is by definition rape.
As for "consensual" , there actually never was that part. All we have is what that bastard said. And beside his bragging he didnt actually said anything.
Its fucked up on way too many levels. harvey weinstein would be proud of the boy.

MC refered to Alice as "old" , but he didnt said same for Killian's mom or even that K bitch. And they are ~55 year old.
So Alice is definitely way older at least 65.

P.S
i dont know why you mentioned nursing homes. Thats not this. Those places are homes for old /elderly. They cant possibly sexually abuse someone, buy them with money , maybe, probably. But not what Killian did

Who is Alice going to turn to for help? Where can she go ?

 

[TD1900]

As for "consensual" , there actually never was that part. All we have is what that bastard said. And beside his bragging he didnt actually said anything.

You eventually get more than just what he said. On a certain path, their relationship gets (slightly) more context later on in the game.

MC refered to Alice as "old" , but he didnt said same for Killian's mom or even that K bitch. And they are ~55 year old.
So Alice is definitely way older at least 65.

I think I would know how old she is.

For the record, Killian's mom is 46. You can find her age in the in-game profile section.

Please don't question how she managed to have a kid and become a doctor around the same time.

 

[McGreed]

You eventually get more than just what he said. On a certain path, their relationship gets (slightly) more context later on in the game.



I think I would know how old she is.

For the record, Killian's mom is 46. You can find her age in the in-game profile section.

Please don't question how she managed to have a kid and become a doctor around the same time.

Of course you don't know how old is she. I mean, who are you to know this for sure?
This guy is definitely a genius and his thoughts are 100% true and logical , based on fact that the MC didn't call Killian's mother "old" , unlike Alice

 

[Idontplay]

We are playing a game based on the idea some women are forced to perform the most devious sexual acts and the problem is: has Ian raped his maid?

Anyway it seems pretty clear to me she doesn't appreciate how Ian acts, but the sexual act was consensual.

 

[nevermoreXX]

Of course you don't know how old is she. I mean, who are you to know this for sure?
This guy is definitely a genius and his thoughts are 100% true and logical , based on fact that the MC didn't call Killian's mother "old" , unlike Alice

You trying to be ass or is it ur true colors?
Why didnt u post ur "wisdom" to discussion then?

I also said K bitch and she is 54. Did mc ever called her old? or take her as reference when referring to sex with old people? No, he didnt.
its logical to assume she is older then K

Anyway , dev. You can write down entire new story of how they fall in love on first sight.
And i'll call it the way i call it.
Woman was trapped in that house for long time if she had other options i bet she would seek them. With no one to turn to , she is a victim to a bastard.

I had issues with game story before, but i managed to turn blind eye , but not after this.
I'm out

 

[McGreed]

You trying to be ass or is it ur true colors?
Why didnt u post ur "wisdom" to discussion then?

I also said K bitch and she is 54. Did mc ever called her old? or take her as reference when referring to sex with old people? No, he didnt.
its logical to assume she is older then K

Anyway , dev. You can write down entire new story of how they fall in love on first sight.
And i'll call it the way i call it.
Woman was trapped in that house for long time if she had other options i bet she would seek them. With no one to turn to , she is a victim to a bastard.

I had issues with game story , but i managed to turn blind eye , but not after this.
I'm out

Can I ask you not to reply to my messages please? I don't want to spill negativity and write book-sized messages just to discuss some vague and unimportant topic. I just re-read your conversation and wanted to write something in a joking manner, in the hope of interrupting this pointless discussion. One of the developers kind of put everything on the shelves for you, if you don’t agree, then of course you can stay with your opinion, but why continue to discuss this and bend your line? I apologize if my words are not clear somewhere, I have not finished studying English and sometimes I use a translator.

 

[ddaisy]

To me it was always obvious that Ian's relationship with Alice was consensual in the sense that she knew he's an asshole and yet she kept choosing to submit to his whims because she simply couldn't resist being in that kind of relationship with a pretty fucker like him. It certainly didn't feel like Ian somehow blackmailed her or otherwise forced her to keep having sex with him.

Alice isn't that old (more like 50ish), but you'd be surprised at the rising STD rates in nursing homes. Seniors do have sex drives.

Eww, I didn't need to know that.

 

[gregers]

Eww, I didn't need to know that.

Anyone who's worked around nursing homes or retirement communities will tell you that they're basically clap factories. Nothing to do except get railed, play bridge, and wait for the sweet release of Death. And you need a foursome for bridge.