VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[omega_rugal]

please dev need katheen scene with heels

 

[ddaisy]

Do you guys agree that Veronica was way too cocky in the second exhibition? I mean, yeah, I agree that her assertive personality is interesting, but the way she acted in the bar area right before the exhibition made me wonder if she isn't going too far. Refusing to treat pervy "customers" like kings is one thing, but straight up expressing your disdain for them is something else.

 

[desmosome]

Do you guys agree that Veronica was way too cocky in the second exhibition? I mean, yeah, I agree that her assertive personality is interesting, but the way she acted in the bar area right before the exhibition made me wonder if she isn't going too far. Refusing to treat pervy "customers" like kings is one thing, but straight up expressing your disdain for them is something else.

She's testing the waters. The 3 Carnations have their own strat based on their personality. Felicia is doing her charming socialite thing, Rose is doing the subservient role, and Veronica is going for the unruly and almost dominant personality. However, there is no mistake what their actual position is. The Carnations are an amusement to them. Everyone, including the Carnations, know this.

Think of the situation with the super beta dude and that one house girl who always doms him. They are playing the game, but there is no delusions on who holds the power. That beta dude switches right back to confident when talking to MC. So Veronica being able to act this way is because they are letting her. It's amusing like watching an unruly kid.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Do you guys agree that Veronica was way too cocky in the second exhibition? I mean, yeah, I agree that her assertive personality is interesting, but the way she acted in the bar area right before the exhibition made me wonder if she isn't going too far. Refusing to treat pervy "customers" like kings is one thing, but straight up expressing your disdain for them is something else.

She already realized that is how she can sell herself to those rich assholes at the club. Not like she can emulate being a "sub milf" like Rosalind or the "slut" rich girl like Felicia.

A lot of patrons like it as mentioned by Edwin.

 

[SanaeS]

There it is my PC D&D alignments chart!
Let me know if I got them right

 

[starkj]

Do you guys agree that Veronica was way too cocky in the second exhibition? I mean, yeah, I agree that her assertive personality is interesting, but the way she acted in the bar area right before the exhibition made me wonder if she isn't going too far. Refusing to treat pervy "customers" like kings is one thing, but straight up expressing your disdain for them is something else.

Like the previous comment, some people like tough girls with an attitude so that they can later watch her be subject of submission like in the exhibition.

 

[starkj]

Also, i don't know if this has been discussed here already but what do you guys think will happen to Sophia? We know Charles wants to beat her at chess so he can bang her but will we somehow do something to not let that happen and maybe have a go at her? I'm kinda curious about this.

 

[Finain]

Also, i don't know if this has been discussed here already but what do you guys think will happen to Sophia? We know Charles wants to beat her at chess so he can bang her but will we somehow do something to not let that happen and maybe have a go at her? I'm kinda curious about this.

We've seen her spread open in front of half a dozen guys with cum leaking out of her holes, I don't think you need to be worried about her purity.

 

[SanaeS]

Also, i don't know if this has been discussed here already but what do you guys think will happen to Sophia? We know Charles wants to beat her at chess so he can bang her but will we somehow do something to not let that happen and maybe have a go at her? I'm kinda curious about this.

I think Chuck wants to beat her just because he feels "threatened" by her intellect since he probably never lost at chess in the club before.
Even if he would actually win I think he will not treat her like the other girls.
Imho she will be a key character for the main plot(Kath coup d'etat) and MC probably won't have much to do with her other than that(maybe just a drug sex scene).

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I think Chuck wants to beat her just because he feels "threatened" by her intellect since he probably never lost at chess in the club before.
Even if he would actually win I think he will not treat her like the other girls.
Imho she will be a key character for the main plot(Kath coup d'etat) and MC probably won't have much to do with her other than that(maybe just a drug sex scene).

While i think he wants the challenge of defeating her at chess i really doubt a scumbag like him wouldn't jump at the chance to fuck her in case he won. To me Chuck feels like someone who needs the challenge to enjoy the "reward" at the end.

 

[desmosome]

I think Chuck wants to beat her just because he feels "threatened" by her intellect since he probably never lost at chess in the club before.
Even if he would actually win I think he will not treat her like the other girls.
Imho she will be a key character for the main plot(Kath coup d'etat) and MC probably won't have much to do with her other than that(maybe just a drug sex scene).

Is she even a house girl? My take was that she isn't affiliated with the club and works directly under that Doctor. In fact, she is a brilliant researcher/doctor herself if I am remembering her profile correctly. The fact that this super qualified individual is dressing and acting like a very willing sex slave for this dude kinda makes you wonder how powerful and influential he is. I don't actually remember her being spread open and leaking cum though. I probably just forgot.

As for Chuck, he is definitely just frustrated that he is getting stomped in chess and doesn't really care about the prize. Anyways, I'm quite interested in her as well, but I doubt the MC will have many significant interactions with her.

 

[starkj]

While i think he wants the challenge of defeating her at chess i really doubt a scumbag like him wouldn't jump at the chance to fuck her in case he won. To me Chuck feels like someone who needs the challenge to enjoy the "reward" at the end.

My thoughts exactly, he already refused to have sex with her when he was given the option to, he wants to beat her first so that he can enjoy it as a reward.

 

[starkj]

Now I really want a scene that shows how the whole Chuck/Chess/Sophia thing started. Was Chuck offered her but wanted to prove his worth? Is chuck that desperate for the doctor derriere? Did it start off as a regular chess match but then chuck realized his only way to win was to try to throw her game off by threatening to have sex with her?

I know which is my headcanon

Oh we already know Chuck isnt exactly a "good" guy, he wants to beat her so he can earn her as a reward and do anything perverse he wants with her.

 

[dolfe67]

I don't actually remember her being spread open and leaking cum though.

When did we see Sophia like that? Didn't they only start attending the club this year?

Here is Sophia displayed on the table:

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[desmosome]

You guys are over-analyzing. Chuck is the least calculating or duplicitous owner. He is a "jolly" old pervert. He just wants to enjoy the club without any shenanigans like power struggles. You could argue that this might be a face he's showing people to disarm them. Ok, but there wasn't really anything to hint at this, was there?

All I see is an eccentric old man trying to win a chess match because his pride won't let him give up. I don't see why he would be the one to uncover some secret involving Sophia, doc, and the drug. For narrative purposes, this sleuthing should be done by the MC.

 

[Sanholo45]

Hello peeps,
Not sure what is happening with game but Suddenly none of my saves will load. I'm running the current version with the walkthrough mod and up until the gym session with veronica all is cool but as sson as I get to the point and save I cannot then open my saves without the following:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
python hide:
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 914, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
python hide:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
ui.interact()
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ui.py", line 297, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 2702, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3518, in interact_core
rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/transition.py", line 47, in event
return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st) # E1101
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 714, in event
rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 962, in event
return handle_click(self.clicked)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 897, in handle_click
rv = run(action)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/behavior.py", line 320, in run
return action(*args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/loadsave.py", line 770, in load
log.unfreeze(roots, label="_after_load")
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1983, in unfreeze
self.rollback(0, force=True, label=label, greedy=greedy, on_load=True)
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1815, in rollback
self.load_failed()
File "/Users/Duggan/MEGAsync Downloads/PaleCarnations.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1733, in load_failed
raise Exception("Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?")
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

Darwin-17.7.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606
Pale Carnations Ch3Up4Public
Sun Jul 17 01:07:20 2022



All of which sucks.

 

[selberdreher]

Here is Sophia displayed on the table:

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Ah, you beat me to it.

While i think he wants the challenge of defeating her at chess i really doubt a scumbag like him wouldn't jump at the chance to fuck her in case he won. To me Chuck feels like someone who needs the challenge to enjoy the "reward" at the end.

Is his plan really just to bang her? The face we see (and the game points out) makes me think that whatever his plan is might be worse.

IIRC we never seen Chuck taking physical advantage of any woman recently. He also never showed a visible erection during one of the exhibitions. I am not implying that Chuck is impotent, and he had for sure plenty of "real" sex in his younger days, but i theorise that Chuck has somewhat transcended the need for physical, corporeal sex.
Given the chemistry of sex and orgasms, which is not fully understood yet, but involves on a basal level the effusion of neurotransmitters and hormones like dopamine, it is indeed possible to reach an orgasm without masturbation or having actual intercourse. Chuck is in my opinion literally mindfucking people, he mastered the ability to trigger his neurotransmitters and endorpins in a different way.
By playing chess against Sophia he is already having sex with her, so doing the actual deed is less important to him and claiming his prize after his victory (which he will do, that i am certain), is more like a statement of his superiority. Like a goldmedal for an athlete, important is the winning of the competition and the bulk of their emotions is directly tied to that win in that moment, the medal is just a reminder and proof of their victory for them and everybody else. Sex (or anything else he plans on doing with or to Sophia) is Chucks medal, and he plays for Gold and not a consolation prize.

 

[selberdreher]

You guys are over-analyzing. Chuck is the least calculating or duplicitous owner. He is a "jolly" old pervert. He just wants to enjoy the club without any shenanigans like power struggles. You could argue that this might be a face he's showing people to disarm them. Ok, but there wasn't really anything to hint at this, was there?

All I see is an eccentric old man trying to win a chess match because his pride won't let him give up. I don't see why he would be the one to uncover some secret involving Sophia, doc, and the drug. For narrative purposes, this sleuthing should be done by the MC.

I don't think so, as stated above. If he just wanted to enjoy the club on a purely conventional level, he would actually do this like Killian for instance. Being a self-proclaimed pervert, but not acting out on it when the occasion presents itself, like in the sauna scene with Garcia, Miller, Edwin and Harper, contradicts imo your statement. While Killian acts like a child in a toy store, just following his impulses, the appeal for Chuck has to be something else.
His calculating nature has been proven by him tutoring the highschool physics club, which was way out of line for a highly successfull CEO of a thriving company. Finding time for that kind of activity isn't already easy for people with normal jobs, so i would guess Chucks real agenda was not about teaching kids on the wonders of Physics.
You see the face he wants to show the world, and obviously he succeeds in that.

 

[selberdreher]

The thing that has gotten the most reaction out of chuck during an exhibition is when you focus on Felicia's pleasure during the 2nd one other than that he seems to just chuckle at most of them.

Ah, i haven't played this variant (yet), perhaps i should take a look at his reaction there. Thx for that info.

 

[selberdreher]

(...) My take was that she isn't affiliated with the club and works directly under that Doctor. In fact, she is a brilliant researcher/doctor herself if I am remembering her profile correctly. The fact that this super qualified individual is dressing and acting like a very willing sex slave for this dude kinda makes you wonder how powerful and influential he is. (...)

I'm mostly curious about her relationship/history with the doctor and what that might change when its fully revealed.

The relationship between Dr. van Doren and Sophia Lundgren resembles that of a shishō (師匠) and his deshi (弟子), which is commonly rather imprecisly translated as master and disciple. While one could write a dissertation about this peculiar relation, you probably need to be either japanese or to experience it for yourself to fully grasp this concept.
For the sake of simplicity (and because i don't claim to be an expert) i will try to show some characteristics of this relation and how it could be applied to van Doren and Sophia.

The deshi and the shishō recognise each other when they meet. At this moment, the deshi is duty bound to adopt an attitude of blind trust towards their shishō, whereas the shishō has the responsibility to teach their deshi in the best way possible. Being a deshi is above all about being permanently attentive to their surroundings and especially the shishō. Within these conditions the deshi can hope to surpass the shishō thus thanking him for the teaching he has received. The shishō must constantly try to give the deshi the means to one day surpass him, so that he may thank his seniors for the knowledge they have passed down to him. The bond between a shishō and a deshi is lifelong and persists even after the death of (usually) the shishō.

Sophia shows attentiveness by blending into the background when not needed, closely observing van Dorens interactions, and tending to his needs by for instance nursing him.
By accepting his seemingly whimsical and arbitrary wishes she emphasizes the blind trust towards him, which may seem slavish to an outsider, but is an integral part in this education, since it serves the purpose to teach her something that, at this moment, perhaps only van Doren is aware of.
Van Doren acknowledges that her intellect and capability may already surpass his own.
Her Profile states that she is bound to inherit his position at Waller Scientific Int., which makes her his designated heir.

I don't think the situation of her being used as a cumdumpster has been necessarily intitiated by van Doren, i mean it could be, but being the dedicated scientist she is, she could have very well proposed a self-experiment, which is not unheard of.
In this scene Kathleen and van Doren talk about their partnership and the problem of raising sufficient data, because the board of his company don't want to research his formula beyond its application as an energy drink.
Sophia could have taken this occasion to generate a rather unique set of data, like to what degree the drug actually overwrites her personality and conscious behaviour.