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Have you played to the end of the current version?
I think the only two things you need to do are take her shopping in week 1 and "Cross the Line" after the arcade.
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This would be a bit sad, because an interesting debate lives through the exchange of different opinions. Since we cannot read the minds of these characters, it is unavoidable to make assumptions. Nothing is wrong with that as long as they are convincing and have substance. If we treat a speculative discussion not in terms of winning or loosing, but rather in terms of introducing various point of views, i do believe it's worth it. I can say for sure, that i gained more than once insights from a debate with an opposing partner here in this thread, which i would not have achieved solely on my own. And even if we can't be 100% sure about the 'real' motivations of the NPCs, i think there is enough material to make educated guesses. As a fan i love to theorize about this and it's a nice way to bridge the gap until the next episode is out.
A lot of parents who love their children unconditionally and want them to live a happy and fullfilling live, don't feel the urge of putting them into a high-class institution where they frankly can't impress their peers with either their lifestyle and money or their intellectual proficiency; Lucys' kid has nothing going for him in that surrounding, which is in my opinion a surefire way to get him badly bullied. I can hear them already say: "What got you in here? How many cocks had your Mother have to suck for it?" Although an overzealous mother like you described her may have overlooked this danger.
Lucy feels to me rather like one of those overachieving mothers which compensate their own shortcomings by imposing expectations of success on their children. Showing her son off like a trophy, as a living proof, that she is not a failure with her unhappy marriage, that she has done something right in her life.
For the next parts i think you confused the names of Victoria and Veronica.
I think you are in for a surprise further down the line, and perhaps have to reconsider your statement here.
Sorry this doesn't really add up, you expected a single mother Victoria to work two jobs and live from paycheck to paycheck to be able to pay for their living expenses. Just how many jobs should Rosie work to pay off the debts? A day has only 24 hours.
Also don't underestimate the urgency to pay on time, she has already goons observing her home and sitting in her kitchen. She needs that money fast, that is exactly what the club offers in case she wins.
Running away and keep a low profile to avoid being spotted by her loan sharks who are probably affiliated with the mafia (these are gambling and ponzi scheme debts, remember?)? With a child? At compulsory school age? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Leaves prostitution or porn, as you suggested. And i really don't know which of both is worse, at least with prostitution you have a higher chance to keep it private, opposed to the public character of porn. Looking at some of the harder genres of porn i am often wondering if those girls wouldn't be better off with classic, vanilla prostitution.
A lot of thread members are with you on that, myself included.
I think and hope that is not the last appearance of Lucy, i would bet we get a deeper understanding of her as PC unfolds.
Nope, i like it just as it is, and hope she gets even more screen time. Yes that's mean, but you can't help everyone.
Agree on that.
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There are more ways than just physical violence threat as means of coercing someone into a decision they would not choose under normal situations. The game portrays this quite well with the events surrounding Felicia, Rosalind and Veronica. To believe otherwise seems quite a simplist view of the carefully crafted events in Pale Carnations.
Hell even Hanna who is not a carnation or one of the club's prostitutes was forced to work there and witness a bunch of people she despise humiliating women because that is the only way her asshole father will pay the medical bills of her ailing mother.
Having a hint of truth doesn't mean it is the whole of the story. Kath only releases her poisonous words/actions when her victims are vulnerable. She did that with both Veronica and Edwin already.
Pretty much.
The game shows Victoria being kicked out of house by her late husband's family without money, a job and holding a small child. Her choices there were to starve with her kid, commit crimes for "easy money" or do porn. It is not hard to see which ones was the best one given the circumstances.
I see it usually the same way as you. But as Lucy and how her Character was/is handled is my main Problem with the Game right now, it is very exhausting and tiresome to debate over this. Because all we now about her is from a handfull of sentences/comments from her and Veronicas Introduction and Competition, wich in adition partly came from Characters that are not trustworthy at all. If you cannot underline your Asumptions with Facts/Good Arguments, such Debates often only lead to frustration and destroy the discourse.
Yes i did, indeed, it was late^^
Yes, i probably underestimated the urgency here. But, still, Loansharks usually don't kill their Deptors because then they wouldn't get their Money back. So it may be unlikely that the collectors would settle for a small payment every Month but not completely impossible.
Same goes for the Run away thing, last Time i looked Loan Sharks (or other people that are not Law Enforcement) couldn't easily call Schools or Goverment institutions to find people on the run. Besides that, even if they could find them, it would be a question if it's worthwile. Spending a couple of thousand bucks to getting a couple of thousand bucks usually isn't worthwile the hassle that comes with it.
As for the Porn vs. Sexwork thing. We shouldn't forget that becomming a Carnation has nothing to do with normal Sexwork. In the Club, you basicly give away your Human rights, so they can do whatever they want to you only to entertain sick rich bastards, and i don't thin there is a "No Pictures/Video" clause in the Deal. So yes, i think the Club is much worse then doing Porn or normal Sexwork, even if the chance of being discovered is bigger.
I would like this if the devs would reconsider their approach to Lucys Character. If she get's the same chance as the other Women i'm fine with it, but if she still would be the one Character that serves only as a cheap crowdpleaser for the "Hardcore Abuse" folks i would quit the Game immediately and regret the time i wasted to play it. Call me to soft but this would be a no go for me.
Oh come on. You can be (if you want and as far as i have played) Kind and Supportive to every Women you meet, but by pure chance Lucy is "too much" because you "can't save everyone". That's, im sorry please dont take this personally, but that is a Stupid Argument.
I always thought about PC as a Game with at least 2 Routes, a "Good Guy" and a "Bad/Evil Guy" path with respective endings for the Characters. So if i want to play a "Saint" in Hell i should be able to Help/Save everyone including Lucy. Of course, same but different, goes for an "Bad Guy" playthrough. Or mix it up, be Kind/Save the Characters you like and ignore/take advantage of the Characters you don't like. Oh Boy what wonderfull horrible ideas would i have for Kathleen.
Could be a "good" Bad Ending if you play the "Evil Guy" version of MC. Although i would never see it because i never could let this happen to her.
Agree on that.
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Initially i wanted to let this part out because, as i already said, i think we know not enough about the School, Lucy, and her Son, to make a meaningfull asumption. But i will pick your viewpoint of Lucy as a "Mother that pushes her Son as a proxy for her shortcommings" out because i think that this wouldn't add up with the few glimpses at her Personality we got from her.
Those Caracters are usually more like Kathleen, arrogant and selfcentered. And besides that, it would be likely that her reaction to Kathleen mocking her with "your son was not smart enough to make it on his own" would be a different one. It would be much more likely that her reaction would be anger instead of Emotional Pain and saying "he only deserves the best". After all, with him failing, he would have foremost failed and dissapointed her, maybe she even would resent him. And in the End, if she would be such a Person, she most likely would never be in the Club in the first place, if her goal was to get her Son in this School to make up for her shortcommings, to boost her self-esteem, why would she put herself through such a Humiliating process.
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i currentlty replay the game for Mina once more times and reading the guide to understand whtf did i miss, i did already took her shopping in week 1, say go for sexy look, the second time at her place in my replay through. im starting to understand or maybe get the idea of the point system in which i have keeps track and i thought the game did for me. i am trying to get this
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Oh now they let see the statasic fuck you game it wasn't able there in the beging.
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You cant access statistics in the prologue but even without it and following a guide you should have gotten that scene with Mina.
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This is my tierlist for the girls
(organized by overall appearance)(I won't reply to comments)
(organized by overall appearance)(I won't reply to comments)
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This is my tierlist for sexual prowess --If u know what I mean--(my gameplay)
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This is my tierlist for sexual prowess --If u know what I mean
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Kathleen dialogues to Edwin in the ending do you think your mom could ever hate you and I have a surprise for you and when the time comes just do what comes naturally. Milf mother lover gang going to get to bang Victoria in our playthrough very soon.
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It is absolutely correct that there are a lot of ways and situations to bring people to do things they normally would not do. Rosi´s situation is the most dire and Kath did use this easily to bring her into the competition. Veronica´s situation is different and here we saw that Kathleen is really good in sniffing out angles to use for her games. I wrote it in earlier posts already that it would be the biggest help for her if Edwin could get her to see that her pride and singlemindedness are sometimes Veronica´s biggest enemies.
Even Sam, who has a crush on her and is the main culprit for a lot of Veronica´s woes since she does not want him, said that she could still start anew without problems now. Sell the millstone around her neck and start over with another gym, one which is not in as precarious a situation as her current already was even before Samsom came along.
While August is self-aware enough and even states openly that he is not a good person, the Hana situation is a bit different to the coercion of the others. It is quite clear, that while it took August far too long to come to grips with suddenly being a Dad, he loves Hana. Hana might not (want to) see it, but there are several hints throughout the game that August forced her to become the weekend chief bartender to have Hana close to him at least on weekends and to give her some serious income. Hana´s pay and tipps are implied to be quite good, otherwise she could not carry on her expensive hobbies.
And August is coughing up serious money for Hana´s mom and her medical needs, PC plays in the US, so this is really expensive care. To show the costs August carries here: I am German and therefor have access to the world oldest nationwide healthcare system. A couple of years ago I had a sneaky medical condition, one of the nasty "if you start to feel ill, you already are nearly dead" ones. I survived only due to great care and major surgeries done. The time in the hospital did cost me roughly 300€, including TV, morning newspaper und some medical supplies for the early time after going home.
I looked up what it would have cost me in the US, which is known for their superexpensive care. Even with "insurance" it would have cost me about 2 million dollars! Beside the fact that US insurance companies are not worthy of their name, the costs are just unbelievable. e.g. a fraking Kernspin (MRT) scan is 3-5 times as expensive (for the sickness funds to cover) in the US as in Germany. Ultrasound is an extremly common and widely used procedure in Germany and often part of even simple check-ups, in the US Ultrasound is used rather narrowly and costs often 6-10 times as much as in Germany. Röntgen (X-Ray) pics are likewise very expensive in comparison.
Treating patients with Huntington´s disease in the US is very expensive month for month and August pays that for a patient he is barely on speaking terms with. Hana´s bartendering on weekends is just a bit windowdressing on this fact and has other reasons than what drove the Carnations to PC. August does not win any "superdad" prices for how he forced himself back into Hana´s life, but he is not the total "asshole Dad" you see.
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pass out at 4 or 5 am in the morning but mina bond was at 23 then she drop to 20 because of the lie to (cover killian ass) i don't know if it effect of their (mina) RP but it currently at 7, and i belive i have get mina higher then i the other girls right for the half nude sense on the bed?
It may be simplistic however that is still my opinion. I feel like only Hana and Rosalind are really being forced. I feel like the stakes are a lot higher for them and they are on a time limit.
Felicia I will simply never understand yes being a trophy wife sucks but given her position + contacts I believe she has multiple options. Even if she somehow wins there is no way anybody in the club is going to have any respect for her - Kath mentioned even she has trouble with this despite being an owner and because of that Felicia will always be in a losing position even if she wins. Veronica's motives I can understand but I think she still has the option to walk away without it impacting her life other than the fact that she might not be passionate about her new job which is not the end of the world.
I can respect Lucy and Victoria's decision to do what is necessary but I do not have a lot of sympathy for them because I believe they have the choice to walk away. Unless we get in game confirmation that they had absolutely no choice (and Lucy's son studying in the 2nd best school is NOT the same as her not having any choice), I will continue to be unsympathetic to whatever happens to them. Like someone else mentioned it may be a coldhearted way of thinking but I feel like they made a choice to do this and they need to accept the consequences of their decision. I guess Victoria's situation may be a bit different given we only have Edwin's perspective and since he was a child he may not have had a full understanding about her motives however unless we have in game events confirming she was in a horrible position this is what my opinion is going to be.