VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[RC-1138 Boss]

Is there? Perhaps it eluded me, but i would be surprised if there is a scene in which club members or housegirls use their smartphones to take pictures or video footage.
And the club is concerned about Ians loose mouth, i bet everyone else had faced a stern talk for that long ago, but as much as Hana is a bit off-limits for being Augusts' daughter, Ian has a kind of Jester's license because he is 'Uncle' Chucks protegee.
Generally spoken they prefer silence and i think the employees are aware of that.

Ian would count as self interest. The club gives him direct acess to a lot of women he can subject to all kinds of kinky sexual things without them really being able to say no. After all as you said he is Chuck's nephew.

 

[Ozygator]

Spoiler: Potential Victoria backstory spoilers

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Umm, do you think the GB movie would have shown the faces of all the men at least once? I believe it would have, unless some super special care was done to avoid it. Could it not have shown their faces? Sure, but I'd believe that Edwin would have seen all the actors faces and would have recognized his during the club. Could be mistaken, he could have seen the face and not connected the dots, major face changes could have occurred like losing hair, etc to make it not as easily recognized, no idea.

I just want to corrupt Mina and Hana with some old, ugly, obese dude.
but it will never happen unfortunately. those 2 are GF material so the DEV will not ruin them hahahaha

Aren'yt there like 10000 games with that weak premise here? Come on man, you already have at least three (4 counting Vic) who endured that desperate shit, why enforce it on the only two decent LI's in the game?

We see the 3 girls from the 2017 free use session USB and none of them are housegirls now

Spoiler: seen here

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The blonde girl was the winner but I guess you could say the other two paid off their debt/whatever reason they were in the club



You might want to avoid the spoiler I recently posted then

I saw it, and responded since it wasn't about Vic, but Edwin's ability to do facial recognition. And regarding the HG contracts/time line, just because they aren't there 3-4 years later does not mean they never were.

As a side note, you have a continual trait to only take what's currently going on in the game right this moment as all there ever was or ever will be. It really squashes any energy to reply to your comments much of the time, at least from my viewpoint. Just saying, if being an anal-rententitive literal type is not your intent you might want to moderate that a bit.

EDIT: Ok, sorry for the spam posts everyone, had like 15 pages to catch up on.

 

[selberdreher]

"She loved me, and tried her best to keep me fed and sheltered, with all this external adversities imposed on her. She had no agency in this and was forced by the circumstances and people who exploited her weakness. I should be and i am grateful and try to repay her one day for her sacrifices she made for us. That's why i'll get a PhD in Medicine, to be able to provide a carefree life for us finally. And of course it didn't impacted me in any other way, especially not my perception of women."

I think selberdreher was paraphrasing what he believes Edwin's mindset to be.

That's correct.
This is more or less what i believe is Edwins picture of his relation to his mother, her motivation to do porn and his selfimage based on like 4 or 5 scenes which we have seen so far. (If you are interested, i can share the scenes with you). And while the first few sentences are indeed rationally backed up by the informations he has (up to now), and are subsequently shared by quite a few members here, i added the last sentence purposefully to show, that there might occur a good amount of self-deception. This is what he chose (consciously or not) to believe about himself. Edwin doesn't lie to us, because he believes it to be the truth.
However, of course it impacted him in several ways, from cleaning up his act in highschool, to the choice of his career path and, last but not least, the constant need to remind himself that those women involved 'in the skin trade' are indeed human beings and not objects.

Perhaps it's also the right time to neutralize an opinion which surfaces from time to time, and was already several times denied by the Dev: that Edwin watches the videos of Victoria for his sexual gratification. Especially the very first scene is quite (purposefully) ambigous in this regard, with him sitting in the dark, half-naked. It's is not idiotic to assume he is jerking off, at a first glance, but i'd like to counter this with material from the scene itself, to show it's worthwhile to take a second look at nearly every scene.

Spoiler: Where are your hands, Edwin?

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While not ultimatively conclusive, it suggests that the introduction scene was more likely not a wanking session. I can't completely rule out, that there may be a level of excitement and arousal on a very basic and animalistic level, like anyone can encounter when they are exposed to sexual images, but i don't think he ever wanted or needed to act out on this, quite the opposite.
Probably he gets more annoyed by it than he already was.

 

[Shizunae]

Y'all are way too much invested into your own theories etc. I just want to have my 2 gf's and the other carnations can and do whatever they want lol.

 

[selberdreher]

Y'all are way too much invested into your own theories etc. I just want to have my 2 gf's and the other carnations can and do whatever they want lol.

Yeeeah.... no. I mean each to their own, if that's all you want. If your main goal in PC is to score two cute maidens, that's fine, but i think you don't need this game for it, there are hundreds of others in which you can do that.
The main appeal of PC for me are the characters, their backstories and how they connect to each other, i really want to know what's going on with them, and leaving just one piece out would destroy the picture.
There are other Games with better CGIs, other games which have also a good worldbuilding and have also a well-done characterization of its cast. But i consume those other games like most movies, they are enjoyable while watching and when you leave the theater their effect doesn't last. And then there are those rare movies, series, books or games which keep you engaged long after you have seen, read or played them. For me PC is one of those rarities. I honestly can't remember any other AVN which kept me engaged so thoroughly. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way about PC, but perhaps you can relate.
So you are of course welcome to just get off on your favourites, i don't judge, but it feels to me like you treat an A5 wagyu filet as a random piece of beef, good enough to grind into common burger patties. You can do that, i won't call you philistine, yet i prefer to savour its taste more extensively.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Shizunae is not that wrong. I mean i like discussing the game's story and characters but within reason.
People were even making up crazy theories about the intro images of the game some days ago and putting walls and walls of text about that.

 

[hentai9xxx]

well. i really like Rose. she is strong woman. i hope she has a good ending. ( so sad for no tag incest ) yes.

 

[☆ ～ ♡ ٠ Ichika ٠ ♡ ～☆]

Guys, does anyone know where to find this outfit? Dr. Lundgren and I urgently need to discuss the issue of global warming in my VR glasses!

Spoiler: hot pic

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[Ozygator]

Shizunae is not that wrong. I mean i like discussing the game's story and characters but within reason.
People were even making up crazy theories about the intro images of the game some days ago and putting walls and walls of text about that.

And responses like this are why some of us don't respond much here anymore either.

You may like your cliffnotes version, or the "movie version" of a story, and some of us like the 10 book series. Doesn't mean either is wrong, just different tastes.

People would be well to remember that everyone doesn't have the same tastes, otherwise the world would be full of "hurr hurr, that's cool, good grafics man!" type posts about games, when the story may well be worth much much more. Any writer, for a game, book or otherwise should be absolutely thrilled to have people want to dive into their story to discuss it, since otherwise you just end up with dime story novel trash no one remembers, much less spend the time and effort to discuss and review.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

And responses like this are why some of us don't respond much here anymore either.

You may like your cliffnotes version, or the "movie version" of a story, and some of us like the 10 book series. Doesn't mean either is wrong, just different tastes.

People would be well to remember that everyone doesn't have the same tastes, otherwise the world would be full of "hurr hurr, that's cool, good grafics man!" type posts about games, when the story may well be worth much much more. Any writer, for a game, book or otherwise should be absolutely thrilled to have people want to dive into their story to discuss it, since otherwise you just end up with dime story novel trash no one remembers, much less spend the time and effort to discuss and review.

So you admonish my post where i am agreeing with someone else about some of the walls of text being posted here while preaching about respecting different tastes?

I have no problem with discussing the game's story and its characters, I participate in some of those discussions too when they happen. But when people start making giants posts based not in the game's story or its characters but in the credits page, turning it into a whole conspiracy theory meme it is not surprising when some forum users find it weird.

And this below can also be said about those types of walls of text.

And responses like this are why some of us don't respond much here anymore either.

 

[Mr. Impaler]

Just a little help please, is there going to be any content with his mother?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Just a little help please, is there going to be any content with his mother?

If by content you mean Edwin having sex with her, then no.
It has been said before that Victoria is Edwin's moral compass and their love is that of a mother and her son, never of lovers.

ps: Remember to use the search to check for easily answered questions.

 

[selberdreher]

I have no problem with discussing the game's story and its characters, I participate in some of those discussions too when they happen. But when people start making giants posts based not in the game's story or its characters but in the credits page, turning it into a whole conspiracy theory meme it is not surprising when some forum users find it weird.

I am not gonna start a meta-discussion about the appropriate length of posts. Sure, there are some members, which tend to go over the top a bit (perhaps myself included), which may weird out some and others not. But i don't see any harm in that, because it costs the disinterested member next to nothing to skim, skip or to ignore the post. And given that this is a 'game discussion threat' i'll take weird posts about the game anytime over posts like

• "Mina best girl"
• "When next update?"
• "Pale Carnation garbage NTR!"

and posting 'hilarious' memes. I tend to find them boring and uninformative.
Any expression of an idea or theory usually needs more than one or two lines of text. Even your rather short answer used six lines of text and four sentences.

Also, since you quoted the credits page, the devs changed the loading screen pictures a few times already, but their Team Mutt and Jeff image hasn't throughout the updates. It's not unreasonable to identify one of the polaroids as Warrens', so it doesn't look like a generic credit page they intended to use for future games. Speculating about that in a heavy crime themed VN is not that eccentric.

I'd like to conclude this post with some food for thought:
Anyone can make a very short nonsense statement like "The Earth is obviously flat."
And whoever is in the uncomfortable situation to debunk this idiocy will need more than one sentence. That's the curse of the internet, because it's hard to keep the attention of an audience which is used to memes and thirty second clips.

 

[Bill Temple]

I see the point that walls of text may discourage some people from posting, but I think that's okay. In my case, I've been interested in some of the theories thrown about, but often I have neither the time nor inclination to contribute something worthwhile to those conversations. I can still enjoy other's theories posted here, marveling at how well thought out they are, even when they are ludicrous. I like that other people love this game enough to spend their time thinking about it to that extent. And even when disagreeing, I find the commenters on this thread to be well-behaved and respectful. A bunch of degenerate lewd game fans politely debating fan theories about this filth out of TD and Gil's imagination somehow restores some of my faith in humanity.
There's certainly room on this thread for all types of posts, and frankly I'm not sure that Shizunae's comment was intended as a condemnation or complaint about all the theories. I read it as a lighthearted observation of the difference between his level of fandom and some of the others. Some English learners use "too much" when "so" or "very" might better convey the tone their comment intends, which is just a byproduct of translating thoughts in native language into English. That little difference can make humorous observations come across more insulting or confrontational than intended. The first time my wife told me I was "too much hairy" kinda cut me a little. She wasn't wrong, but still...

 

[selberdreher]

So back to the matters at hand.

Umm, do you think the GB movie would have shown the faces of all the men at least once? I believe it would have, unless some super special care was done to avoid it.

This ties into the question how the owners actually recruit their paying members. It's obvious that they don't just hand out carnation club memberships to everybody, but aim for high-class clients instead, and on the other hand they can't just approach a random CEO with "Good evening Sir. May i interest you in our top-level brothel? We aim to please your darkest desires, for a hefty price of course.".

The fatty shown in the video has definetly the same body model, but there could be a different head on this body.
Vincenzo (the Tenor) is quite a Stallion and can go several times with a very short refractory period in between. I would not rule out that he satisfied his huge libido in some porn shoots back then, under the condition, that his face is not visible in the videos.

If you are familiar with GGG porn shots, they feature huge gangbangs in which most of the male participants are amateurs, who often take great care not to show their faces e.g. by wearing baclavas, and the chosen camera angles also usually try to avoid to capture those male faces. There are some recurring real porn actors mixed into the cast to enable totals, yet the camera direction heavily focuses on the women and the lower parts of the males.

I don't know how complex blurring or pixelation of a face is, but this could be another option, if Vincenzo has participated and wanted to stay anonymous.
It was probably very easy to recruit Vincenzo as a member, if August knew him from those shoots.

Victorias and Vincenzos reaction will be very interesting, should they ever meet. However, for now i don't think we can conclude anything decisively, because it could be very well just another fat dude in that video.

 

[Ozygator]

So you admonish my post where i am agreeing with someone else about some of the walls of text being posted here while preaching about respecting different tastes?

I have no problem with discussing the game's story and its characters, I participate in some of those discussions too when they happen. But when people start making giants posts based not in the game's story or its characters but in the credits page, turning it into a whole conspiracy theory meme it is not surprising when some forum users find it weird.

And this below can also be said about those types of walls of text.

Not to sdrag this off topic further, but I believe you're slightly confused.

My "admonishment" ws not that you agreed, but you disparaged other types of posts you disagreed with. That may not have been your intent but it's how it came accross. Regardless of it you find it "weird" or not, let's not insult the posts of others, which was the point of my post, and I offered an example of what the foum might look like if everyone followed your apparent preferred post type and content.

As the saying states: "If you don't have anything nice to say, just say nothing at all." I don't recall anyone who may have made those "walls of text" type posts complaining about the shortness of other people posts, instead they just moved past them with no comment.

On a forum that has free membership, it's best if everyone recall that you aren't required to read anything, if someone doesn't like a game, the game content, the posts in the thread about said game, etc, unless they want to post constructive they can always move past quietly. Some of us, myself included, may point out the situation with someone complaining about someone else posting in a non-polite manner, which is a bit hypocritical I agree, since we could just as easily move on.

The TL;DR, if you don't like a post, but don't have anything to add to refute it, just move on..

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

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Lol. There was no confusion.
I made a two lines post simply agreeing with a user who found some of those walls of text strange. It is you who decided to make a tempest in a teacup over it.

The TL;DR, if you don't like a post, but don't have anything to add to refute it, just move on..

So before giving advice to others maybe start following it first?

 

[seniorboop]

Haven't played this before, just looking at the tags...

Is the urination, BDSM, and lactation avoidable? My tastes are pretty vanilla tbh.

 

[ReservoirCreature]

Haven't played this before, just looking at the tags...

Is the urination, BDSM, and lactation avoidable? My tastes are pretty vanilla tbh.

Urination is very avoidable, yes. BDSM is not avoidable at all, although it isn't very intense as far as BDSM goes. I actually can't remember where there was any lactation, so I'm gonna say it's either very light, or possibly avoidable altogether.

EDIT: Definitely forgot some scenes oops

 

[TD1900]

Haven't played this before, just looking at the tags...

Is the urination, BDSM, and lactation avoidable? My tastes are pretty vanilla tbh.

No, no, and no.

Some player-centric stuff is avoidable, but there's other instances of those tags where they unavoidably happen between background characters.

For example...

Spoiler: Ch3Up4 Spoiler

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Not to mention, the core scenario of the game is about desperate women being exploited for the sexual gratification of rich men. Now, the story is not without its wholesome or light moments, but it's not a happy-go-lucky kind of read either. The player is meant to find certain elements of it uncomfortable as part of the narrative hook.