VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

August is a tough nut to crack and I don't think we should get too far ahead of the evidence when discussing his love for Hana. He feels something for her, but there are many kinds of love. August wants a better relationship with Hana, but it's not clear why he wants that, nor is it clear what he would or would not be willing to do to earn that acceptance.

On the why side, his motivation makes a huge difference - even if we assume he isn't malicious. Going to see Hana's concert in secret, for example, plays very differently if you think he wants to learn her tastes to better convince her to see reason (from his point of view) versus if you think he wants to see her while she's happy without embarrassing/offending her. Likewise reflecting if he was right to involve Hana in the Club could be a fear that he's leading her down his own path to damnation, or it could be a concern that she isn't up to task of being a criminal boss. Either way he cares for her, but in some cases that care is as much about him as it is about Hana herself. My gut reaction is that August is being at least partially selfless in his love for Hana, but that may just be wishful thinking.

Similarly, we don't really have a good read on how much August would sacrifice to change Hana's opinion of him. We know he's willing to use Hana's dying mother as leverage and that he'll happily throw money at the problem, but neither of those really cost him much. What if it became clear that shutting down the Carnation Club and living a meager life as an honest man would cause Hana to change her views on him: would he do it? Does he want his daughter to accept him as he is, or would he change his ways if that would make him someone she can admire? Until such a situation comes up all we can do is speculate.

Personally, I don't think August would alter his core tenets for Hana because I think he wants a certain level of validation from her; even if she doesn't approve of his actions, he wants her to accept his reasons for taking them. Of course, one of his core tenets seems to be pragmatism, so I do think he'd be willing to alter any of his lesser tenets if that would do the trick, and he doesn't necessarily have to keep making the same decisions going forward.



That would require that Hana agree to spend *any* time with August, and she flat out refused that when he first offered.
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August used Hana's mom as leverage so he could get his foot in the door, so to speak. He probably figured it was the only way he'd have a shot at changing her mind, and since Hana already hated him there was nowhere to go but up. Obviously he could have simply continued to help her mom without strings and hope that would eventually bring Hana around, but for whatever reason he was unwilling to take that chance.

Again, I think it all comes back to why August wants to spend time with Hana.

Yes, that's why i said

Establishing contact again after someone is estranged to that level is hard.

It would likely require more than one phonecall, because the first couple of attempts are often met with refusal. Much like with abused animals it probably needs a lot of persistent mini-steps to build up trust again and to achieve the willingness to hear him out or probably even better to listen to what she has to say. Which could very well in the beginning be nothing more than accusations and insults from her. After those died down a bit they could start real talking, and from there they could have taken the other steps.
August wasn't really willing (or able?) to take this long and rocky road, instead he subdued her to his will, like probably most other women in his life.

Spoiler: Tangent on how i would have tackled the task

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I like your first four paragraphs in your answer to Turret, there isn't much i could add to your thoughts there.

Hey again, you Two!

I am rather sure that this "moral fencesitting" by the main and the main side characters is to enable logical paths for all characters to later go down the "good", "neutral" and "bad" roads (with whatever how high or low corruption). This is a) rather realistic (no one is just completely good or bad) and b) it covers all permutations without getting the "Huh, WTF?" feeling.

As for August, since he was our focus these last posts, I think he really loves Hana now. One big hint into this direction is on the first weekend, when the slimy school director tries to hit on Hana and insults her. If we go "roooaaarrrrr" towards him, we loose serious trust with Kath, but we gain RP with August. We have several examples that August is all for a frictionless workflow in the Club. If Edwin goes gung-ho on the school director, that is a serious disruption and we loose points with Kath, but in this case, we win with August, since it was about defending Hana´s honour.
That is not to say that August has arrived at the fully selfless love point (as you mentioned, August does not offer Hana music schooling or her own bike workshop, at least currently, that might be one end scenario), but he is on the way towards it.

 

[DirtyMario]

[...] and I gotta say thanks for giving me hope that this could feasibly happen! Corrupting Hana sounds really fun in a fucked up kinda way.

No.
This line of thinking is very bad, and you should feel bad.

 

[starkj]

Leave Hana alone god dammit!

 

[KKpotato]

No, I wanna corrupt her... what can I do... it's my nature.

 

[baka]

yeah. I want to corrupt the two sweethearts Mina & Hana. no vanilla here, need to be used as my personal sluts and enjoyment.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

No, I wanna corrupt her... what can I do... it's my nature.

Fall to the Dark Side young Potato has.

 

[Ozygator]

No, I wanna corrupt her... what can I do... it's my nature.

Shoo shoo, you have a game to work on!

 

[selberdreher]

As you all know, this is largely a Hana update. The update also features character development for Ian, and depending on how you ended the last update, content for either Mina, Veronica, Kathleen, or Victoria. I'm proud of the update from top to bottom, but if you have no interest in seeing Hana content, it might not be worth your bandwidth to download. Cutting out the Hana stuff will make it very short.

ename144s animation count
So, my fellow pervs, have you already pondered about how Ch4Upd1 has as much animations as Ch3Upd3, an update which, iirc, covered the period from Felis husbands interview till the Friday night before the second exhibition? Including Felis scene in her husbands office as well as Minas bedroom scene?

For a update which is officially called "The Hana Update"??

Does this mean my favourite platonic friend gets double the animations as both of my favourite blonde fuck pets???

Do i smell some unwarranted favouritism towards a certain tatooed blackhaired girl by a certain developers duo????

Who of you bribed them into this blatant disregard of everything which is fair and just???

How do you feel about this outrageous injustice?????

Since this is the internet, i feel compelled to clarify the obvious: this post is meant as a joke.
Enjoy the Hana update my fellow pervs, i only hope myEdwin gets some action with her in the next update too.

 

[CAznable]

ename144s animation count
So, my fellow pervs, have you already pondered about how Ch4Upd1 has as much animations as Ch3Upd3, an update which, iirc, covered the period from Felis husbands interview till the Friday night before the second exhibition? Including Felis scene in her husbands office as well as Minas bedroom scene?

For a update which is officially called "The Hana Update"??

Does this mean my favourite platonic friend gets double the animations as both of my favourite blonde fuck pets???

Do i smell some unwarranted favouritism towards a certain tatooed blackhaired girl by a certain developers duo????

Who of you bribed them into this blatant disregard of everything which is fair and just???

How do you feel about this outrageous injustice?????

Since this is the internet, i feel compelled to clarify the obvious: this post is meant as a joke.
Enjoy the Hana update my fellow pervs, i only hope myEdwin gets some action with her in the next update too.

The funny thing is, before this update, Hana has the lowest amount of sexy content. If anything, this update is more than fair. When it’s finished though, she will then have the most sexual content. So the Boys really can’t win in this situation.

 

[Lunix00]

I love this game, somehow I have been able to play making the decisions according to what I really thought of the characters. I like that all the scenes can be avoided by the mc's decision and not by avoiding them, except a reward in which you have no choice. Mina and Hanna are the best.

 

[EmilIrving]

Granted, I will do most playthroughs corrupting Hana, but... My first/"canon" playthrough, I will try NOT to do that. Mostly cause I am invested in her relationship with a "sweet" MC.

 

[ename144]

ename144s animation count
So, my fellow pervs, have you already pondered about how Ch4Upd1 has as much animations as Ch3Upd3, an update which, iirc, covered the period from Felis husbands interview till the Friday night before the second exhibition? Including Felis scene in her husbands office as well as Minas bedroom scene?

For a update which is officially called "The Hana Update"??

Does this mean my favourite platonic friend gets double the animations as both of my favourite blonde fuck pets???

Do i smell some unwarranted favouritism towards a certain tatooed blackhaired girl by a certain developers duo????

Who of you bribed them into this blatant disregard of everything which is fair and just???

How do you feel about this outrageous injustice?????

Since this is the internet, i feel compelled to clarify the obvious: this post is meant as a joke.
Enjoy the Hana update my fellow pervs, i only hope myEdwin gets some action with her in the next update too.

I fear you've misread the charts. The "Hana Update" has exceeded the animation count of Ch3Up1; that one was also a relatively short update focused on the aftermath of the preceding exhibition, so it seemed like a good secondary benchmark.

IIRC, the only animations in Ch3Up1 involved... Hana: the flashback with Zara Tessman and Hana's sleepover. So I'd say Ch4Up1 exceeding it seems reasonable if we assume things will go a little farther this time.

But I'm sure we can find something else to cry favoritism about if we keep looking!

 

[selberdreher]

I fear you've misread the charts. The "Hana Update" has exceeded the animation count of Ch3Up1; that one was also a relatively short update focused on the aftermath of the preceding exhibition, so it seemed like a good secondary benchmark.

IIRC, the only animations in Ch3Up1 involved... Hana: the flashback with Zara Tessman and Hana's sleepover. So I'd say Ch4Up1 exceeding it seems reasonable if we assume things will go a little farther this time.

But I'm sure we can find something else to cry favoritism about if we keep looking!

For whatever reason back then your picture wouldn't upload, so i linked back at your post.
trying again...

ah, there it is.

So, unless you didn't accidently mislabeled your graphs this one reads something like 61 animations in ch4up1 vs 60 in ch3up3?

hmmm? did you fool me ename144? or have you joined the Hana supremacy conspiracy? trying to deceive me into ignoring the obvious? */daggerstare

 

[Hector Wimbleton]

To the debate whether to corrupt Hana or not:

 

[selberdreher]

The funny thing is, before this update, Hana has the lowest amount of sexy content. If anything, this update is more than fair. When it’s finished though, she will then have the most sexual content. So the Boys really can’t win in this situation.

Etiam tu, CAznable, mi contuberni?

Allegedly this blackhaired succubus had already two (!) indecent encounters with our Edwin, which i cannot fully confirm, because i didn't witness the second one myself: the first after Edwins birthday and the second on his couch??
Didn't she also shamelessly flaunt her devilish goods in a red, yes red (!), microbikini? And how about using her salacious graphic story of her sapphic encounter with a singer to coax Mina into an embarrasingly unchaste display of carnal affection?
Pfff, "lowest amount of sexy content" my derrière.

Whereas my poor little angel Mina had just one meager chance to make sweet, innocent love to Edwin, which leaves her by all metrics seriously underfucked! (it may be true that she got a few more orgasms out of it than Hana, but well, this doesn't matter right now)
Which is obviously already causing health issues, because her pelvic floor muscles are so much undertrained that the pitiable girl couldn't even hold her bladder during their amorous tête-à-tête!

Now obviously we can't compare Felicia directly since she carries the burden of being a nymphomaniac carnation, which leaves her no other choice than to perform a teeny-tiny bit more, and is therefore excused, because if she would operate under the same terms as said tatooed (!) succubus, Felicia wouldn't had any sexy times at all!
Hah! Now who has the lowest amount of sexy content?

Surely not this slim, cat-eyed, ravenhaired, twintailed, obscenely well endowed, young floozie with her feisty attitude!

 

[selberdreher]

To the debate whether to corrupt Hana or not:

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Ahh, the beauty of replayability.

 

[Nulldev]

Etiam tu, CAznable, mi contuberni?

Allegedly this blackhaired succubus had already two (!) indecent encounters with our Edwin, which i cannot fully confirm, because i didn't witness the second one myself: the first after Edwins birthday and the second on his couch??
Didn't she also shamelessly flaunt her devilish goods in a red, yes red (!), microbikini? And how about using her salacious graphic story of her sapphic encounter with a singer to coax Mina into an embarrasingly unchaste display of carnal affection?
Pfff, "lowest amount of sexy content" my derrière.

Whereas my poor little angel Mina had just one meager chance to make sweet, innocent love to Edwin, which leaves her by all metrics seriously underfucked! (it may be true that she got a few more orgasms out of it than Hana, but well, this doesn't matter right now)
Which is obviously already causing health issues, because her pelvic floor muscles are so much undertrained that the pitiable girl couldn't even hold her bladder during their amorous tête-à-tête!

Now obviously we can't compare Felicia directly since she carries the burden of being a nymphomaniac carnation, which leaves her no other choice than to perform a teeny-tiny bit more, and is therefore excused, because if she would operate under the same terms as said tatooed (!) succubus, Felicia wouldn't had any sexy times at all!
Hah! Now who has the lowest amount of sexy content?

Surely not this slim, cat-eyed, ravenhaired, twintailed, obscenely well endowed, young floozie with her feisty attitude!

Funny but inaccurate. For example you can powerfuck Felicia into a mindless horny pussy, at the first time you meet her, with Mina and Ian at the club.

 

[Turret]

yeah. I want to corrupt the two sweethearts Mina & Hana. no vanilla here, need to be used as my personal sluts and enjoyment.

To the debate whether to corrupt Hana or not:

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Hi! For the endings in general I am more interested in the "good" or "light" ones, however you call it. But not only for the sunshine and roses and more how the various story elements fit into these good endings. I have a pretty sure gut feeling that we are in for some surprises on that front. It will be interesting how e.g. Abel and Sophia with their research will fit into a good ending, since while they are currently in Kath´s camp, this could change with Edwin as a coming doc being a "fan".

As for Hana, I prefer her uncorrupted, but it will be interesting to see a say partially corrupted Hana in a good ending. Full corruption paths can be boring, but in PC there is the chance for interesting spins how the various persons turn out.
But I think corrupting Mina in the timeframe of the game will be easier than corrupting e.g. Hana or Felicia.

 

[baka]

Im for choices. u should be able to keep them uncorrupted and just romance them if u want.
but there should be options to pick a more evil path where they get corrupted nicely.
I don't want heavy stuff. just to make them my personal sluts. make them go around without underwear, let them suck a cock in a gloryhole scene, let an old dude taste them while blindfolded. u know, light stuff.

 

[Lunix00]

What programs are used to create this game?